Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid: Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions

[Hollywood Cannon]

The level of intentional dishonesty is astounding.

 

[GKJ]

The recent promotions came up on 32 Thoughts. Marek and Friedman, since they know him, are particularly happy for Riley Armstrong. But they seemed to insinuate there’s a direct correlation between this and what the roster will look like.

 

[freakydallas13]

Only if he leaves Carolina and comes here, in which case his success will be due to Waddell and Tulsky, and his failure to advance in the playoffs demonstrates the futility of hiring an ex-Flyer.

Remember when you insinuated yesterday that "The Flyers didn't hire outside execs because they can't do it before the draft"? You ready to admit that was BS yet?

 

[Beef Invictus]

6 of 16 seasons is the "majority" of a career? Briere played for five different teams and I think at least 6 different HCs.

Six years with one team. Five teams splitting the remaining decade.

Who do you think he is most identified with?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Rod Brind’Amour played in Philly for 9 years & over 600 games.

By the logic used on this board, he must suck.

Nobody uses that logic. That's the logic you create as a strawman because there is no actual argument to be made in defense of the team. It can't be done, and you know that. That's why you've gotta make stuff up like this.

 

[deadhead]

Remember when you insinuated yesterday that "The Flyers didn't hire outside execs because they can't do it before the draft"? You ready to admit that was BS yet?

The only executives available before July 1 are those fired or those whose teams are planning to fire/not rehire AND give permission for them to talk to other teams. The less senior personnel probably aren't available period, who is going to let their head of amateur scouting or their top scouts talk to other teams before the draft?

 

[Beef Invictus]

The only executives available before July 1 are those fired or those whose teams are planning to fire/not rehire AND give permission for them to talk to other teams. The less senior personnel probably aren't available period, who is going to let their head of amateur scouting or their top scouts talk to other teams before the draft?

Yeah, right. Definitely best to not hire anyone new and keep all the same people who have been failures for years unending. Promoting them is clearly the only move, as you can tell by all the teams who did the exact same thing.

Oh, wait. The Flyers are the only team that behaves this severely stupid.

 

[freakydallas13]

The only executives available before July 1 are those fired or those whose teams are planning to fire/not rehire AND give permission for them to talk to other teams. The less senior personnel probably aren't available period, who is going to let their head of amateur scouting or their top scouts talk to other teams before the draft?

Do you really want to go through this whole song and dance again where I have to ask you questions so basic they verge on condescending that lead up to you admitting this team chose not to look outside the organization on purpose when hiring the GM, or do you want to save us both the time and effort and admit maybe "not being able to interview executives outside the organization before the draft" was said to make it seem like they had no choice but to promote Briere and is yet another attempt at a (not so) thinly veiled defence of the actions of this organization no matter what?

Why am I even bothering replying to you, having discussions with you is a waste of time. You're right DH, the Flyers had no choice but to promote Briere, there were literally no other options available. Glory to the Flyers Regime.

Kumbaya.

 

[Magua]

Who do you think he is most identified with?

I’m going to guess the team he re-joined in an executive role the second he retired. Where he has spent 8 years drawing from the well of knowledge that is Holmgren and friends.

But it could be the Coyotes.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I’m going to guess the team he re-joined in an executive role the second he retired. Where he has spent 8 years drawing from the well of knowledge that is Holmgren and friends.

But it could be the Coyotes.

The Phoenix Coyotes. Not the YMCA Coyotes.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I enjoyed it, Jones is just an amazing interview/talker. It's worth a listen

A most excellent President of Hockey Propaganda.

 

[deadhead]

Do you really want to go through this whole song and dance again where I have to ask you questions so basic they verge on condescending that lead up to you admitting this team chose not to look outside the organization on purpose when hiring the GM, or do you want to save us both the time and effort and admit maybe "not being able to interview executives outside the organization before the draft" was said to make it seem like they had no choice but to promote Briere and is yet another attempt at a (not so) thinly veiled defence of the actions of this organization no matter what?

Why am I even bothering replying to you, having discussions with you is a waste of time. You're right DH, the Flyers had no choice but to promote Briere, there were literally no other options available. Glory to the Flyers Regime.

Kumbaya.

They were set on Briere, it was obvious they were grooming him, first a minor league management position where he learned the nuts and bolts about running an organization, then a stint at Wharton where he polished the skills he'd need, such as negotiation. Finally, an assistant position where he was able to spend a year observing and talking to different people in the FO, evaluating FO personnel and procedures.

After 16 years as a player, much like Sakic and Yzerman, he didn't need to be taught about "hockey," he needed to learn the nuts and bolts of management, from analytics (nothing special about hockey analytics, just applied statistics), to finance, marketing, organization to handling people. Meanwhile, the Comcast people got to observe him and see if he was a viable candidate.

Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, looking at GMs around the league, there is no pattern that predicts success.

Once Briere and Torts were in place, and working well together, the President search was limited to those who could work within this structure, excluding any who wanted to impose their vision on the organization.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They were set on Briere, it was obvious they were grooming him, first a minor league management position where he learned the nuts and bolts about running an organization, then a stint at Wharton where he polished the skills he'd need, such as negotiation. Finally, an assistant position where he was able to spend a year observing and talking to different people in the FO, evaluating FO personnel and procedures.

After 16 years as a player, much like Sakic and Yzerman, he didn't need to be taught about "hockey," he needed to learn the nuts and bolts of management, from analytics (nothing special about hockey analytics, just applied statistics), to finance, marketing, organization to handling people. Meanwhile, the Comcast people got to observe him and see if he was a viable candidate.

Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, looking at GMs around the league, there is no pattern that predicts success.

Once Briere and Torts were in place, and working well together, the President search was limited to those who could work within this structure, excluding any who wanted to impose their vision on the organization.

Is being set on a single guy trained by fossils who suck at management good?

 

[ajgoal]

Man, I didn't realize MacKinnon, Tulsky, Darche, and Botterill were all getting let go this summer. I wonder where they'll end up after their inevitable firings, since they all interviewed in Pittsburgh and teams only allow that if they're not bringing those execs back.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Once again, the only way to defend the team is to make up a bunch of goofy nonsense. Because in reality, they're indefensible.

 

[freakydallas13]

They were set on Briere, it was obvious they were grooming him, first a minor league management position where he learned the nuts and bolts about running an organization, then a stint at Wharton where he polished the skills he'd need, such as negotiation. Finally, an assistant position where he was able to spend a year observing and talking to different people in the FO, evaluating FO personnel and procedures.

After 16 years as a player, much like Sakic and Yzerman, he didn't need to be taught about "hockey," he needed to learn the nuts and bolts of management, from analytics (nothing special about hockey analytics, just applied statistics), to finance, marketing, organization to handling people. Meanwhile, the Comcast people got to observe him and see if he was a viable candidate.

Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, looking at GMs around the league, there is no pattern that predicts success.

Once Briere and Torts were in place, and working well together, the President search was limited to those who could work within this structure, excluding any who wanted to impose their vision on the organization.

Yeah, I'm not reading that.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

They were set on Briere, it was obvious they were grooming him, first a minor league management position where he learned the nuts and bolts about running an organization, then a stint at Wharton where he polished the skills he'd need, such as negotiation. Finally, an assistant position where he was able to spend a year observing and talking to different people in the FO, evaluating FO personnel and procedures.

After 16 years as a player, much like Sakic and Yzerman, he didn't need to be taught about "hockey," he needed to learn the nuts and bolts of management, from analytics (nothing special about hockey analytics, just applied statistics), to finance, marketing, organization to handling people. Meanwhile, the Comcast people got to observe him and see if he was a viable candidate.

Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, looking at GMs around the league, there is no pattern that predicts success.

Once Briere and Torts were in place, and working well together, the President search was limited to those who could work within this structure, excluding any who wanted to impose their vision on the organization.

that stint i believe was a 6 week certificate course.

there is a patten that predicts failure, the flyers way

 

[deadhead]

Man, I didn't realize MacKinnon, Tulsky, Darche, and Botterill were all getting let go this summer. I wonder where they'll end up after their inevitable firings, since they all interviewed in Pittsburgh and teams only allow that if they're not bringing those execs back.

Has Tulsky been offered a job yet?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Has Tulsky been offered a job yet?

Ah appeal to authority time?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I’m going to guess the team he re-joined in an executive role the second he retired. Where he has spent 8 years drawing from the well of knowledge that is Holmgren and friends.

But it could be the Coyotes.

Probably the Avalanche and Joe Sakic.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

A most excellent President of Hockey Propaganda.

Fair enough. Can’t defend the org lol - I genuinely mean that. But I do like Jones as a talker, his honesty can be refreshing

 

[ybnvs]

Is being set on a single guy trained by fossils who suck at management good?

No, not trained.

Groomed.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Fair enough. Can’t defend the org lol - I genuinely mean that. But I do like Jones as a talker, his honesty can be refreshing

I don't think we should assume he's being honest. We've long seen his ability to weave a false narrative about hockey.

 

[GKJ]

Has Tulsky been offered a job yet?

Has he not been offered a job?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I don’t think it’s a formal request but John Gibson apparently told Anaheim management he’d be receptive to a trade out. He hasn’t been good in years but should have name recognition to carry some interest I’d imagine.

Hellebuyck along with seemingly the rest of Winnipeg‘s top players are apparently available as well. Both Gibson & Hellebuyck are in the final years of their contacts.

Friedman didn’t mention names but did say on his podcast yesterday the goalie market is starting to heat up around the league.