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deadhead said:
And how good will Sanheim be on a first pair? We know metrics are slanted by usage, players who are solid further down the lineup can struggle when you ask them to do too much. Sanheim is pretty much what he was the couple years before last year, a solid 2nd pair D-man with some limitations. He's unlikely to suddenly blossom, though he should bounce back. Make him a 1st pair LHD, and I think he'll slip a bit.
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Sanheim just needs the right partner to thrive on the first pairing.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
One quick thing that has nothing to do with Sanheim or any other player in particular.

On most teams, there isn’t much difference in role difficulty playing on the 1st and 2nd D pairs. Some teams, yes. But on the whole, the material differences are when you get used in super difficult roles on many axes at once (think prime Vlasic), when you spend a ton of time with your own top Forward Line (Provorov back in the day), and whether you have the super sheltered 3rd Pairing role where you have the combo of your own Forwards high in the lineup but also opposing Bottom 6ers.

And I think we’ve had this discussion before, but who your partner is determines so much of this. Ryan Lindgren is a good, solid player. He’s not a top pairing guy by metrics or traditional stats. You would look at those and see a 2nd pairing guy. He’s also more than fine on the Rangers’ top pair because his partner is Adam Fox.
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Right but who munches the minutes? You don't see THAT on a second pair, Jojo!
 
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Captain Dave Poulin said:
It would also be interesting to see someone let him play to his strengths and build a pair around what he does best.
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Thanks, Cap'n. Before I agree I just want to confirm whether you are replying sarcastically or nonsarcastically to my sarcastic post. ;)
 
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deadhead said:
This is blowing smoke.
The problem with TDA is who do you sit for him - Walker, Risto or Attard?
Walker is more likely to garner a good return at the TDL.
And if you want York to QB PP1, how much value does TDA have to the Flyers?
Torts gave TDA every chance to "build value," 1st pair, PP1 duty - TDA sucked, people here wanted him benched, now they're complaining that Torts didn't fluff him? Like scouts would care?

There is no evidence that Krug doesn't want to play for Torts, Cassidy is a bigger asshole, yet I'll bet Krug would jump at a chance to go to Vegas.
Maybe it's not the coach, maybe a 32 year old player doesn't want to spend the rest of his career on a rebuilding team?
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ADa is so bad Carolina wants him
 
BernieParent said:
I agree with your sequence, Redpath, but the opposite way -- Briere's return for DeAngelo is an indictment of Fletcher's decision -- is relevant.
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Here is the issue. Fletcher made so many bad moves that this club is a grease fire. Cleaning it up isn’t going to be easy or cheap.
Hayes and TDA have little value, not because of Tortorella’s use of them. Their value is low because they suck at hockey. Hayes can’t handle center ice any longer. Maybe it’s age, injuries or both but he’s a puck hogging slug on the ice now. TDA has burned his way through several rosters with his bad play and worse attitude. Hayes and TDA were easily two major disappointments on the club. If they were allowed to remain here their dissatisfaction with their roles would become a festering sore. The best solution is to get them out of here. It’s addition by subtraction. The FO is sending a message here to the players. They’re NFA. Come here in shape. Be ready to work and perform. It’s professional hockey. It’s time for the players to step up to that level of work and responsibility.
 
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DancingPanther said:
Do you know what the best part about trading away everyone is? Not having anyone left and pulling 3 straight top 5 picks. Trade anyone for anything.

Fwiw the trade isn't going to be Krug and a low first for Hayes and Sanhiem. You're falling into the age old trap of taking what these "insiders" say at face value
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We are of a different extremity about moving players out. I'm good with scorched earth but I want to harvest as much out of the fields beforehand as possible. My sticking point was how bad the Krug contract is relative to the primary movement target (Hayes). I still believe that Sanheim still has much value and it would pain me to treat him as nearly a cap dump. Please also recognize my undertones of nostalgia about Sanheim as the last current member of a young Flyers defense that had all the promise in the world to be top 5 in the league.

And, yes, guilty as charged on potentially falling for clickbait, but I did try to qualify that in my post.
 
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BernieParent said:
We are of a different extremity about moving players out. I'm good with scorched earth but I want to harvest as much out of the fields beforehand as possible. My sticking point was how bad the Krug contract is relative to the primary movement target (Hayes). I still believe that Sanheim still has much value and it would pain me to treat him as nearly a cap dump. Please also recognize my undertones of nostalgia about Sanheim as the last current member of a young Flyers defense that had all the promise in the world to be top 5 in the league.

And, yes, guilty as charged on potentially falling for clickbait, but I did try to qualify that in my post.
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I don't think it's fair to characterize the rumored deal as "nearly a cap dump" for Sanheim. A 1st is still fine value for him, especially given his down season and the now limited window we have to trade him before an 8 year contract kicks in.

If Briere was dumping Sanheim for a 3rd round pick, I'd be in agreement. But given the uncertainty of Sanheim's future, the time value of draft picks, and the purported depth of this draft, I can't fault playing it safe and cashing out for a 1st round pick now.

We're in agreement on the Hayes/Krug swap FWIW.
 
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Redpath said:
I don't think it's fair to characterize the rumored deal as "nearly a cap dump" for Sanheim. A 1st is still fine value for him, especially given his down season and the now limited window we have to trade him before an 8 year contract kicks in.

If Briere was dumping Sanheim for a 3rd round pick, I'd be in agreement. But given the uncertainty of Sanheim's future, the time value of draft picks, and the purported depth of this draft, I can't fault playing it safe and cashing out for a 1st round pick now.

We're in agreement on the Hayes/Krug swap FWIW.
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But it's not a 1st for Sanheim because it's not a Hayes for Krug swap. A swap alone would be stupid because there's an extra year. But we're also widely expected to retain on Hayes. So clearly it's not just a swap but the 1st is there to lessen that gap and not for purely for Sanheim.
 
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LegionOfGloom said:
But it's not a 1st for Sanheim because it's not a Hayes for Krug swap. A swap alone would be stupid because there's an extra year. But we're also widely expected to retain on Hayes. So clearly it's not just a swap but the 1st is there to lessen that gap and not for purely for Sanheim.
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You very well may be correct, and I'll update my opinion once we have final details.
 
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