Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 3 - Flyers Rumors and Media Mentions: Never Ending Circles

[DrinkFightFlyers]

That would shock me as all about perception. I have no issue giving up the Oilers or Avs pick if that is what it took.

Yeah I am sure their ask will be higher but I am just not sure any team is going to part with something of value for a guy who is both struggling and unhappy with his situation. I'd be fine trading one of those firsts as well.

 

[Cody Webster]

Remember when 300 games wasn't a big enough sample, but now 2 seasons is?

I've never met someone that defends something as much as Deady defends the Flyers

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Yeah I am sure their ask will be higher but I am just not sure any team is going to part with something of value for a guy who is both struggling and unhappy with his situation. I'd be fine trading one of those firsts as well.

I hear ya. Wonder if they are even calling Columbus about him.

 

[renberg]

Given that, for all I think it's stupid as f*** to do so, I fully expect us to trade Frost, this is the kind of scenario where I'd be OK with it. Don't know the exact shape of a deal here if one is available, but I wouldn't mind a big shakeup with Frost and Drysdale (I know they won't, but let me dream, damn it) as part of the Flyers offer, and Jiricek as part of the return from CBJ.

Perhaps Drysdale for Jiricek straight up does it. Matching first round selections a year apart. Drysdale has had injury issues but so has Jiricek (knee surgery prior to the draft). That seems to be a fair deal. No need to put Frost into the deal.
If the deal needs a sweetener, we could throw in Tortorella since he's pretty popular back in Columbus.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Perhaps Drysdale for Jiricek straight up does it. Matching first round selections a year apart. Drysdale has had injury issues but so has Jiricek (knee surgery prior to the draft). That seems to be a fair deal.

Extra years of failure should mean you need to add. But this is the NHL and Columbus, so you could be completely right.

 

[ponder719]

Perhaps Drysdale for Jiricek straight up does it. Matching first round selections a year apart. Drysdale has had injury issues but so has Jiricek (knee surgery prior to the draft). That seems to be a fair deal. No need to put Frost into the deal.
If the deal needs a sweetener, we could throw in Tortorella since he's pretty popular back in Columbus.

If they'd do that straight up, it'd be nice, I just don't think Drysdale carries as much value as Jiricek, between the relative difference in size, amount of time spent injured, there's actually closer to two years' development time separating them (2020 draft year vs. 2022), a couple factors like that, and I don't want to be adding in significant picks if I can make up the difference with player equity.

 

[freakydallas13]

To build a top team, you need 3rd lines and 2 D-pairs (you can fill in around the edges if this group can eat the lion's share of minutes).
As long as you're not overpaying, locking up 24 year old players makes sense.

"You need 3rd lines and 2 D-pairs" doesn't mean you have to resign 3rd tier 24 year old players for 8 years. You are exacting zero extra value from that contract.

 

[bennysflyers16]

Trade Frost Briere you coward !!

 

[flyersnorth]

What other rumor for Risto? I just can't see him being moved unless 50% retention or a bad contract also coming back. Playing well for a few weeks doesn't erase the prior decade. He can help solidify a teams a bottom pair, just his contract is way too high.

From my same post earlier..

NHL Rumours: Philadelphia Flyers Defender Possible Trade Bait

It's time for some more NHL rumours. We talk about the Philadelphia Flyers and how one blueliner could get some looks from other teams.

lastwordonsports.com

Rumour: Anthony Di Marco of The Daily Faceoff said the Flyers could look into dealing Rasmus Ristolainen in the future. The Finn has morphed into a solid defender this season and Flyers General Manager Daniel Briere could move him.

 

[flyersnorth]

Yeah why not, but what is the ask?

Also you need to make moves but most of the defense is practically unmovable. (Sanheim, York, Seeler, Andrae, Drysdale).

Never gonna happen.

I think you just answered your own question by the one defenseman you left out The Finnish Viking.

Acquiring potential high-level talent is never a bad thing, and going after Jiricek would make sense.

In the case of Drysdale, I guess I can see what they were going for based on his draft pedigree.... but if they scouted him for that long, and that is what it looks like? That's more than a bit concerning.

 

[deadhead]

By your D+3 season, your draft pedigree is useless.

However, what got you drafted high (size, speed, skill) may make you attractive, tempered by how you've actually utilized those skills since you were drafted.

You're more likely to retain value if there are extenuating circumstances, for example, Drysdale was obviously rushed and was oft injured, which both suggests there might be unrealized potential but also that he's injury prone.

Jiricek should retain more value, he is still only 21. But some CBJ fans think he's going to bring back a big package, uh, no. Now on his third stint in the AHL, and he's not a dominant AHL player.
Last season 29g 5-6 11 (ES) -16.
+/- for other Cleveland D-men: +8, +4, +1, +4, +7, -7
Two years ago: 55g 2-12 14 (ES) -11
+/- for other Cleveland D-men: -1, -15, -4, -14, -4

New GM and HC are not enamored with him, when a bad team can't find you PT . . .
They claimed Fabbro, 26 year old RHD, and are playing 38 year old Jack Johnson ahead of him.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

By your D+3 season, your draft pedigree is useless.

However, what got you drafted high (size, speed, skill) may make you attractive, tempered by how you've actually utilized those skills since you were drafted.

You're more likely to retain value if there are extenuating circumstances, for example, Drysdale was obviously rushed and was oft injured, which both suggests there might be unrealized potential but also that he's injury prone.

Jiricek should retain more value, he is still only 21. But some CBJ fans think he's going to bring back a big package, uh, no. Now on his third stint in the AHL, and he's not a dominant AHL player.
Last season 29g 5-6 11 (ES) -16.
+/- for other Cleveland D-men: +8, +4, +1, +4, +7, -7
Two years ago: 55g 2-12 14 (ES) -11
+/- for other Cleveland D-men: -1, -15, -4, -14, -4

New GM and HC are not enamored with him, when a bad team can't find you PT . . .
They claimed Fabbro, 26 year old RHD, and are playing 38 year old Jack Johnson ahead of him.

Opinion not a fact. where you or others saying he was rushed when he put up 32 points his first full year?

 

[BernieParent]

From my same post earlier..

NHL Rumours: Philadelphia Flyers Defender Possible Trade Bait

It's time for some more NHL rumours. We talk about the Philadelphia Flyers and how one blueliner could get some looks from other teams.

lastwordonsports.com

Rumour: Anthony Di Marco of The Daily Faceoff said the Flyers could look into dealing Rasmus Ristolainen in the future. The Finn has morphed into a solid defender this season and Flyers General Manager Daniel Briere could move him.

"Could" here obviously means "will have other GMs who are interested in paying for Ristolainen as a non-cap-dump". It does not mean "Briere would actually be interested or motivated to make such a deal".

 

[Beef Invictus]

Opinion not a fact. where you or others saying he was rushed when he put up 32 points his first full year?

There were quite a few people saying he didn't look ready at all and it wouldn't be sustained.

I personally don't know. Maybe he was rushed. Or maybe he could have built on it. He faced two insurmountable obstacles: drowning in an Eakins system which is like AV in the way it leaves Dmen exposed and under siege, but worse in every way. And his health.

He has spent very little time learning to thrive, and basically all of it learning to try to survive. That doesn't build great players very often. Whether he was rushed or not, the situation in general was terrible enough that it's hard to imagine many better outcomes.

 

[flyersnorth]

"Could" here obviously means "will have other GMs who are interested in paying for Ristolainen as a non-cap-dump". It does not mean "Briere would actually be interested or motivated to make such a deal".

That abomination of events that led to landing AND extending Risto is up there among the biggest franchise bungles.

Some of the other doozies, off the top of my head -

Signing Bryz for 9 years, thus ensuring your young 22 year old netminder-of-the-future wants to get the hell out of doge.

Trading a 1st rounder (John Carlson) for Steve Eminger.

AMac extension.

Someone should write a book.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

There were quite a few people saying he didn't look ready at all and it wouldn't be sustained.

I personally don't know. Maybe he was rushed. Or maybe he could have built on it. He faced two insurmountable obstacles: drowning in an Eakins system which is like AV in the way it leaves Dmen exposed and under siege, but worse in every way. And his health.

He has spent very little time learning to thrive, and basically all of it learning to try to survive. That doesn't build great players very often.

Not disputing what you're saying. Maybe he was. Just don't recall it being said that first year. His health is likely the main reason to me. Was hoping he played 70+ games this year. That was my main thing I wanted to see. When he has played, he has been much worse than I would have imagined.

Just like Provorov was rushed to an extent when you look back in hindsight.

 

[deadhead]

"Could" here obviously means "will have other GMs who are interested in paying for Ristolainen as a non-cap-dump". It does not mean "Briere would actually be interested or motivated to make such a deal".

Briere is in no rush to dump Risto.
Given the alternatives at RHD are Johnson, Belpedio, Grans and Sampson.
He can move him at the TDL, or next summer.
No reason to take a lowball offer.

 

[trostol]

Glad we're not rebuilding so we don't need to see what some of these other options can or can't do

 

[blackjackmulligan]

Briere is in no rush to dump Risto.
Given the alternatives at RHD are Johnson, Belpedio, Grans and Sampson.
He can move him at the TDL, or next summer.
No reason to take a lowball offer.

So, you think that contract can be moved without retention or an equally bad contract coming back? If so, then you take any pick that is offered. That is what a rebuilding team would do.

What kind of return so you think he will get? What are your expectations?

If they are the alternatives, then they may not want to move him at all. That is possible right?

 

[deadhead]

So, you think that contract can be moved without retention or an equally bad contract coming back? If so, then you take any pick that is offered. That is what a rebuilding team would do.

What kind of return so you think he will get? What are your expectations?

If they are the alternatives, then they may not want to move him at all. That is possible right?

What's the rush? He'll have more value this summer simply b/c he only has two years left on his deal, and retention is also shorter (or take a contract back).

Belpedio and Johnson are known "non-quantities", Grans has yet to show enough to think of him as a NHL starter while Samson is 21 and on the 3rd pair in LHV - he's year's away "if ever."

 

[Beef Invictus]

"What's the rush? Value will be higher in the summer"

Is always followed by "What's the rush? Value will be higher in season"

Over and over again in a cycle until the contract ends or player value is vanished.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

What's the rush? He'll have more value this summer simply b/c he only has two years left on his deal, and retention is also shorter (or take a contract back).

Belpedio and Johnson are known "non-quantities", Grans has yet to show enough to think of him as a NHL starter while Samson is 21 and on the 3rd pair in LHV - he's year's away "if ever."

Answer the question I posed.

So, you think his value will change for the better this summer because he has 2 years left as opposed to 2.5? Good stuff. A team will have a playoff warrior like Risto for 3 runs as opposed to 2; is that not valuable? You also assume he has value. At his current contract he does not. 50% retention there may be some but nothing great coming back. Mid Rd pick at best or a Sam Poulin faded prospect type.

Bottom line is you continue to overrate Risto as well as many other Flyers. So, when he is still here come April you will sing a different tune. Can't wait to see what that tune becomes as you will defend it to no end.

 

[deadhead]

It's hard to move contracts at the TDL. Which is why teams like rentals, if it doesn't work, move on.

In the summer, a 2 year deal is a great fit for a lot of teams, long enough it's more than a rental, short enough not to be an albatross. Buys time for a prospect to develop.

Risto will have value, teams love big RHDs.

 

[blackjackmulligan]

It's hard to move contracts at the TDL. Which is why teams like rentals, if it doesn't work, move on.

In the summer, a 2 year deal is a great fit for a lot of teams, long enough it's more than a rental, short enough not to be an albatross. Buys time for a prospect to develop.

Risto will have value, teams love big RHDs.

BS excuses. Good GM's get deals done if there is a deal to be made. Can't wait to have the same conversation in another year about Risto.

Sorry 2.5 to 2 years is not any huge obstacle to overcome. Grasping on that one. That will not be why he isn't moved in any way.

Then tell me what this value will be? Stop saying he will have it, put a price on it.

 

[Tripod]

"What's the rush? Value will be higher in the summer"

Is always followed by "What's the rush? Value will be higher in season"

Over and over again in a cycle until the contract ends or player value is vanished.

Flyers way....not allowed to sell high on a guy. Have to wait until they tank his value publicly first