Rumor: Things Not Left Unsaid 2, More Flyers Rumors & Media Mentions: Say It Like You Mean It

[Redpath]

Torts 100% has a huge say at the NHL level decisions. Not sure how anyone can argue that.

The initial premise was about the Flyers drafting.

Either Tortorella doesn't have a say in the Flyers drafting (Good?), or Tortorella does have a say in the Flyers drafting (Wow, Tortorella values undersized, dynamic, Russian wingers. Who knew?)

 

[blackjackmulligan]

The initial premise was about the Flyers drafting.

Either Tortorella doesn't have a say in the Flyers drafting (Good?), or Tortorella does have a say in the Flyers drafting (Wow, Tortorella values undersized, dynamic, Russian wingers. Who knew?)

I do not think he has a say in drafting. What I do think he does is give his opinion on the kind of players he likes, what traits to look for, and the like.

 

[Redpath]

I do not think he has a say in drafting. What I do think he does is give his opinion on the kind of players he likes, what traits to look for, and the like.

Sure. And either Briere/Jones disregarded his input on how to build a team with the team's most consequential draft pick in 30+ years, or his input agreed that he values Michkov types.

 

[Danko]

Dan hilferty is trying to kill tailgating.

 

[Random Forest]

Tortorella is still largely a backward-thinking egomaniac, but I also think his philosophy has clearly evolved over time too. Not necessarily in a better or worse direction. He can both be stupid and also stupid in ways that are different than he originally was.

 

[ponder719]

Sure. And either Briere/Jones disregarded his input on how to build a team with the team's most consequential draft pick in 30+ years, or his input agreed that he values Michkov types.

Or he doesn’t value Michkov types in general, but recognizes that in this one exceptional case, the talent is too great to ignore in favor of his preferences. There are absolutely answers available beyond the binary you’ve presented here.

 

[Redpath]

Or he doesn’t value Michkov types in general, but recognizes that in this one exceptional case, the talent is too great to ignore in favor of his preferences. There are absolutely answers available beyond the binary you’ve presented here.

There has been discourse around Tortorella knocking Connor McDavid’s style of play, so if he wasn’t an exception, I’m not sure what would have changed with Michkov

 

[Boocowski]

Tortorella is still largely a backward-thinking egomaniac, but I also think his philosophy has clearly evolved over time too. Not necessarily in a better or worse direction. He can both be stupid and also stupid in ways that are different than he originally was.

The backwards thinking stuff is a matter of opinion and preference I think. You can argue that Florida is built on backward thinking too and they are in the final (although choking to the forward(?) thinking maybe). Hockey hasn't changed as much as some people like to pretend.

I really don't think Torts is any more of an egomaniac than any other successful NHLer, be that player, coach or GM. I just think he's blatantly honest and just doesn't give a f#ck what people think about him. No fake or phony with him and I've always liked that.

He's a good hockey mind and a good coach. Can that blatant honesty work with the modern generation of post millennial players that's harder to answer. If he fails, maybe he can join the cast for season 4 of Shorsey.

 

[BernieParent]

Yes, the use of the team's first lottery pick under a new GM as the centerpiece of a rebuild and organizational direction is far more indicative of team process and philosophy than bottom 6 signings and 7th round picks.

Not necessarily. We know from drafting history that there is a committee approach. I was happily surprised that Briere drafted Michkov and all the issues around his availability and his style of play, but my thinking is that these types of players are only available early in the first round. Draft strategy is measured by both quality and quantity. Hunter MacDonald types can be found in multiple places throughout the later rounds.

Don't forget, too, that the Flyers arranged to have an in-depth conversation with Michkov away from the usual pre-draft setting. Perhaps a high agenda item was to let Tortorella develop a feel for Michkov so he would be on board with, or at least not object to, selecting him with the 7OA.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Dan Hilferty and John Middleton are on with Glen and Mike right now, for this whole hour.

Dan Hilferty wants you to know that cap space clears up ‘next year’

Uh oh

 

[Beef Invictus]

The Flyers went out of their way to court and select a Michigan-scoring, KHL-contracted, undersized Russian winger instead of Ryan Leonard, a prototypical hockey man's choice and born-to-be Flyer.

If that wasn't proof that Tortorella has no say on the team's drafting, then nothing will be.

Yeah I think Tortorella would rather die than care about the draft. I'm not worried about his influence there. Flahr is the problem.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Tortorella is still largely a backward-thinking egomaniac, but I also think his philosophy has clearly evolved over time too. Not necessarily in a better or worse direction. He can both be stupid and also stupid in ways that are different than he originally was.

The AV method of evolution as prompted by poking from Flyers management.

"Oh you want me to shift to a safer system? Got it. Dmen will be on their own for breakouts, forwards will still sprint up ice for stretch passes. When they get the passes they'll dump in at the blue line and I'll only send one forechecker. Evolution complete!"

In all my years of watching a team I don't believe we've ever seen a coach so comprehensively destroy a team's scheme in every aspect of the game while applying deliberate thought to it, and then just leaving it and giving up when it naturally didn't work. In terms of planning, I think AV's final form was the most grotesque. He became different and also worse in all ways, and I didn't think he was good to begin with.

 

[freakydallas13]

Michkov is only a no-brainer if Michkov is the type of player that the Flyers value and want to target.

To be fair, for a team not to want a potential 90-100 point winger would be incredibly stupid of them, to the point you are a laughing stock and should probably close the franchise down.

Like, what team does not want the potential player Michkov could be? How stupid of a team would that be?

 

[Magua]

My hunch is Tortorella hasn’t watched a non-NHL game since 2006. He’s that kind of guy.

 

[Random Forest]

A Drysdale for McGroarty deal would be the kind of offseason entertainment I’m here for.

 

[Petr Svoboda Mullet]

Dan hilferty is trying to kill tailgating.

Dan Hilferty is the anti christ

 

[Jettany]

Yeah should have just kept him and let him walk for nothing. Complaining about eh Giroux deal is way way down the list of things to complain about. Doesn't even make the complaint list really.

Agreed. Plus no mention of Tippet and I believe the pick they used on Barkey? When the player told you the 1 team he would go to that return isn’t bad.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Would Flyers fans consider moving Frost and if so, what would the cost be?

Torts enters chat

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

A Drysdale for McGroarty deal would be the kind of offseason entertainment I’m here for.

Would be pretty f***ing funny.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I wouldn’t mind ejecting on Drysdale assuming you can get good value. Maybe he turns out useful one day but the results thus far in his career have not been good. I understand the caveats with playing too soon in the NHL & injuries but even in less than ideal circumstances players have shown something to hang their hat on. Drysdale is essentially living off draft position & that fact his teams have pumped him with noteworthy ice time/usage despite losing that matchups along the way.

 

[wankstifier]

I wouldn’t mind ejecting on Drysdale assuming you can get good value. Maybe he turns out useful one day but the results thus far in his career have not been good. I understand the caveats with playing too soon in the NHL & injuries but even in less than ideal circumstances players have shown something to hang their hat on. Drysdale is essentially living off draft position & that fact his teams have pumped him with noteworthy ice time/usage despite losing that matchups along the way.

What's good value? A 2nd?

 

[Beef Invictus]

What's good value? A 2nd?

Probably. What's his longest between 20 game injuries? 15 games?

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

What's good value? A 2nd?

I would say a first round equivalent.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Probably. What's his longest between 20 game injuries? 15 games?

sounds like a Flyers lifer to me...

get me that 8 year contract drafted right meow

 

[renberg]

I would say a first round equivalent.

Definitely. He was a #6 pick. When healthy he lives up to that selection. We haven’t seen that yet. Fans in Anaheim have and can attest to his potential. The Ducks are going to draft a defenseman at three this week to fill in the void created by trading Drysdale.