Therrien - New Season Edition

[Lebowski]

"Lying" may be a strong way to put it (though maybe not) but MT's statements were contradicted by Galchenyuk when he was asked about it.

It's not a strong way to put it, it's the reality of it.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

You're the best LG, even if I disagree why 3/4 of what you say

Go Habs go.....and Jays!!!!

And Bills

Cheers buddy. Have fun tonight!

It's not a strong way to put it, it's the reality of it.

It's not the language that I would use because there's the possibility of a miscommunication. Too often I see people use the word "liar" when in fact it could simply be a misunderstanding. Anyways, it's a word you're free to use when describing the situation because there certainly is evidence that this is what happened. I just think a more accurate way to say it would be that MT was contradicted by the player he was talking about. THAT is a fact.

You phrase it however you want though man.

 

[jaffy27]

"Lying" may be a strong way to put it (though maybe not) but MT's statements were contradicted by Galchenyuk when he was asked about it.

There is no denying that...got caught with the hand in the cookie jar

 

[Miller Time]

I'm still thinking he should be playing center. Not because he can't grow into the wing position but because when it comes to crunch time we're going to need another center capable of handling those tougher minutes.

exactly... I'd go a bit further even, Eller is already a very good center when it comes to defensive zone responsibilities. No reason to think that he wouldn't continue to improve given his age/personality.

While it's nice to see him off to a hot start, I don't doubt for a second that he'll post career-best numbers in his current role, as a winger, but that is completely tied to the quality of his linemates... he's shown for years now that when given something better than 4th line or offensively limited wingers, he can be very productive offensively.

you can book it now, at the end of the year MT will take credit for Eller's improved offensive output focusing on the move to W, a faulty narrative that will overshadow the reality that the team as a whole would be better off with Eller @ C and playing with at least 1 quality offensive winger.

so frustrating that MT is so enamoured with DD at C and playing more minutes than his ability/effectiveness warrants, and that he allows that emotional emphasis to limit his options in icing the best possible lineup.

same ol story...

 

[Cole Caulifield]

exactly... I'd go a bit further even, Eller is already a very good center when it comes to defensive zone responsibilities. No reason to think that he wouldn't continue to improve given his age/personality.

While it's nice to see him off to a hot start, I don't doubt for a second that he'll post career-best numbers in his current role, as a winger, but that is completely tied to the quality of his linemates... he's shown for years now that when given something better than 4th line or offensively limited wingers, he can be very productive offensively.

you can book it now, at the end of the year MT will take credit for Eller's improved offensive output focusing on the move to W, a faulty narrative that will overshadow the reality that the team as a whole would be better off with Eller @ C and playing with at least 1 quality offensive winger.

so frustrating that MT is so enamoured with DD at C and playing more minutes than his ability/effectiveness warrants, and that he allows that emotional emphasis to limit his options in icing the best possible lineup.

same ol story...

After two games Eller is the beneficiary of great plays by Semin/Galchenyuk.

Yesterday, when given the chance to reciprocate and make an easy pass accross the crease to Galchenyuk for a tap in goal he somehow found a way to pass it wide of a stationary Galchenyuk who was less than 10 feet away.

I do give him credit for his work this summer - his shot appears to have improved a little bit - but I should hope that he can post good numbers if Semin and AG play that way all season.

 

[Ezpz]

Chucky is the one who ****ed that play up. You are remembering it completely wrong. Eller is doing ALL the dirty work on that line and is the sole reason they aren't a disaster in their own end.

 

[Kriss E]

After two games Eller is the beneficiary of great plays by Semin/Galchenyuk.

Yesterday, when given the chance to reciprocate and make an easy pass accross the crease to Galchenyuk for a tap in goal he somehow found a way to pass it wide of a stationary Galchenyuk who was less than 10 feet away.

I do give him credit for his work this summer - his shot appears to have improved a little bit - but I should hope that he can post good numbers if Semin and AG play that way all season.

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[McGuires Corndog]

Chucky is the one who ****ed that play up. You are remembering it completely wrong. Eller is doing ALL the dirty work on that line and is the sole reason they aren't a disaster in their own end.

I agree more with this.

Eller is the one creating space for the other two. He's a dominant possession player, and we are going to see him put up great numbers this year. I really don't think 45-50pts is out of the question.

Chucky I see going 60+, and may even end up with more points than Pacioretty.

 

[Wats]

Seriously Habs give up more chances on their PPs. Even lottery teams have more structure.

 

[Habs]

I repeat ... Someone should lose their job after this years PP continues from where it left off

 

[Miller Time]

After two games Eller is the beneficiary of great plays by Semin/Galchenyuk.

Yesterday, when given the chance to reciprocate and make an easy pass accross the crease to Galchenyuk for a tap in goal he somehow found a way to pass it wide of a stationary Galchenyuk who was less than 10 feet away.

I do give him credit for his work this summer - his shot appears to have improved a little bit - but I should hope that he can post good numbers if Semin and AG play that way all season.

i wouldn't be so quick to ignore the role that positioning and timing play in finishing opportunities.

eller has flaws, no doubt, but he's shown over the years a much better offensive I.Q than his numbers reflect (even with the somewhat consistent WTF plays he's prone to). That he's finally playing with above average offensively talented linemates, and his line is dominating in the offensive zone, is not just a matter of being the "beneficiary"... he reads the ice very well, especially without the puck on his stick and now has guys around him that can get him the puck in scoring positions.

As a playmaker, he definitely gets tunnel visioned at times, though i'd suggest that with time playing on a line where he isn't the best player/offensive talent, he'll adapt and show a marked improvement in that area. Hard to make corrections when you're linemates are clueless, makes it harder to pull out your own mistakes.

 

[RonFournier]

Condon is the only reason Therrien still has a job

 

[Hoople]

Condon is the only reason Therrien still has a job

Holy **** you nailed it.

Outplayed and outshot Ottawa. So the Corsi complaint is gone.

3-0. The losing complaint is gone.

Eller scoring points playing wing. That complaint is gone.

DD on the "3rd" line and helping the team. Complaint shot.

Chucky at C. Complaint gone.

But........watch this thread shift and shimmy more than a Subban dangle.

Go Habs Go!! Loving the start to this season.

 

[DAChampion]

Holy **** you nailed it.

Outplayed and outshot Ottawa. So the Corsi complaint is gone.

3-0. The losing complaint is gone.

Eller scoring points playing wing. That complaint is gone.

DD on the "3rd" line and helping the team. Complaint shot.

Chucky at C. Complaint gone.

But........watch this thread shift and shimmy more than a Subban dangle.

Go Habs Go!! Loving the start to this season.

There is great progress in HabsLand.

 

[TheBlindFan]

Holy **** you nailed it.

Outplayed and outshot Ottawa. So the Corsi complaint is gone.

3-0. The losing complaint is gone.

Eller scoring points playing wing. That complaint is gone.

DD on the "3rd" line and helping the team. Complaint shot.

Chucky at C. Complaint gone.

But........watch this thread shift and shimmy more than a Subban dangle.

Go Habs Go!! Loving the start to this season.

Nice !!! go habs go! Stop whining and enjoy the show! we have a team

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Holy **** you nailed it.

Outplayed and outshot Ottawa. So the Corsi complaint is gone.

3-0. The losing complaint is gone.

Eller scoring points playing wing. That complaint is gone.

DD on the "3rd" line and helping the team. Complaint shot.

Chucky at C. Complaint gone.

But........watch this thread shift and shimmy more than a Subban dangle.

Go Habs Go!! Loving the start to this season.

The thread will shift depending on the systems used, the roster mgmt and how we play. That's how message boards work.

That said, it's nice to see back to back dominant games from us. I can't remember the last time it happened.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Holy **** you nailed it.

Outplayed and outshot Ottawa. So the Corsi complaint is gone.

3-0. The losing complaint is gone.

Eller scoring points playing wing. That complaint is gone.

DD on the "3rd" line and helping the team. Complaint shot.

Chucky at C. Complaint gone.

But........watch this thread shift and shimmy more than a Subban dangle.

Go Habs Go!! Loving the start to this season.

always commenting on the posters...



some things don't change.

 

[Hoople]

always commenting on the posters...



some things don't change.

Go Habs Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BenchBrawl]

Once again a bunch of impossible-to-satisfy people criticizing Therrien at every opportunity even though he's easily one of the best coach in the NHL and is in his coaching prime.Therrien's strenght is about his pure leadership skills, which is evident by how freaking amazing the chemistry on this team has been ever since he got here.Since Therrien arrived our team might not be the most talented but you ought to be confident in any close game, we win those more often than not.We have a great competitive spirit.The vast majority of intuitive moves he made paid off.He's in total control and on top of his game.It's incredible that anyone would think another coach would do better.Odds are if we had another coach he would have a worst record than Therrien, and no more playoff success.

He's not perfect but he has done an amazing job.It's not just about Carey Price, the team is very competitive in front of him.Having Carey Price is a blessing, but so is having Kane, Toews and Keith, or Crosby and Malkin, or whatever.You don't win if you don't have the guns.Therrien did great with the guns he had and continue to do so.

Seriously, when was the last time we had a better coach than Therrien?

Here's how the list went:

Michel Therrien (Now)
Randy Cunneyworth (Worst)
Jacques Martin (Worst and I might prefer to lose than re-watch that hockey)
Bob Gainey (Worst)
Guy Carbonneau (Worst)

Then we get to the Claude Julien, Michel Therrien and Alain Vigneault trio.All three were worst than present-day Therrien, Julien wasn't the experienced Boston coach he is today, and same with Vigneault.They were rookie coaches, clearly worst than 2015 Therrien who is much better than he was the first time around as well.

Then Mario Tremblay (Worst)

Then Jacques Demers and Pat Burns, which as of now I consider better than Therrien.

So Therrien in my opinion is pretty much up there as one of the best coach we had in a long time (since 1995 when Demers was fired, so 20 years ago).

And to conclude, changing the coach none-stop and asking for his head is a poor way of managing your club.Keep the stability, let the coach be comfortable enough in his seat, let him work long-term with some players, let the players know he has actual power.I hope Therrien stays for the remaining of our window to win a cup.

Edit: I checked quickly and apparently no coach since Scotty Bowman stayed with us for 5 consecutive seasons (even if we include the seasons where the coach is hired/fired).That's a ridiculous testament of instability.Therrien might be on his way if he stays next year.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Once again a bunch of impossible-to-satisfy people criticizing Therrien at every opportunity even though he's easily one of the best coach in the NHL and is in his coaching prime.Therrien's strenght is about his pure leadership skills, which is evident by how freaking amazing the chemistry on this team has been ever since he got here.Since Therrien arrived our team might not be the most talented but you ought to be confident in any close game, we win those more often than not.We have a great competitive spirit.The vast majority of intuitive moves he made paid off.He's in total control and on top of his game.It's incredible that anyone would think another coach would do better.Odds are if we had another coach he would have a worst record than Therrien, and no more playoff success.

He's not perfect but he has done an amazing job.It's not just about Carey Price, the team is very competitive in front of him.Having Carey Price is a blessing, but so is having Kane, Toews and Keith, or Crosby and Malkin, or whatever.You don't win if you don't have the guns.Therrien did great with the guns he had and continue to do so.

Seriously, when was the last time we had a better coach than Therrien?

Here's how the list went:

Michel Therrien (Now)
Randy Cunneyworth (Worst)
Jacques Martin (Worst and I might prefer to lose than re-watch that hockey)
Bob Gainey (Worst)
Guy Carbonneau (Worst)

Then we get to the Claude Julien, Michel Therrien and Alain Vigneault trio.All three were worst than present-day Therrien, Julien wasn't the experienced Boston coach he is today, and same with Vigneault.They were rookie coaches, clearly worst than 2015 Therrien who is much better than he was the first time around as well.

Then Mario Tremblay (Worst)

Then Jacques Demers and Pat Burns, which as of now I consider better than Therrien.

So Therrien in my opinion is pretty much up there as one of the best coach we had in a long time (since 1995 when Demers was fired, so 20 years ago).

And to conclude, changing the coach none-stop and asking for his head is a poor way of managing your club.Keep the stability, let the coach be comfortable enough in his seat, let him work long-term with some players, let the players know he has actual power.I hope Therrien stays for the remaining of our window to win a cup.

Edit: I checked quickly and apparently no coach since Scotty Bowman stayed with us for 5 consecutive seasons (even if we include the seasons where the coach is hired/fired).That's a ridiculous testament of instability.Therrien might be on his way if he stays next year.

in wich aspects of the game ?

 

[Kojo]

Once again a bunch of impossible-to-satisfy people criticizing Therrien at every opportunity even though he's easily one of the best coach in the NHL and is in his coaching prime.Therrien's strenght is about his pure leadership skills, which is evident by how freaking amazing the chemistry on this team has been ever since he got here.Since Therrien arrived our team might not be the most talented but you ought to be confident in any close game, we win those more often than not.We have a great competitive spirit.The vast majority of intuitive moves he made paid off.He's in total control and on top of his game.It's incredible that anyone would think another coach would do better.Odds are if we had another coach he would have a worst record than Therrien, and no more playoff success.

He's not perfect but he has done an amazing job.It's not just about Carey Price, the team is very competitive in front of him.Having Carey Price is a blessing, but so is having Kane, Toews and Keith, or Crosby and Malkin, or whatever.You don't win if you don't have the guns.Therrien did great with the guns he had and continue to do so.

Seriously, when was the last time we had a better coach than Therrien?

Here's how the list went:

Michel Therrien (Now)
Randy Cunneyworth (Worst)
Jacques Martin (Worst and I might prefer to lose than re-watch that hockey)
Bob Gainey (Worst)
Guy Carbonneau (Worst)

Then we get to the Claude Julien, Michel Therrien and Alain Vigneault trio.All three were worst than present-day Therrien, Julien wasn't the experienced Boston coach he is today, and same with Vigneault.They were rookie coaches, clearly worst than 2015 Therrien who is much better than he was the first time around as well.

Then Mario Tremblay (Worst)

Then Jacques Demers and Pat Burns, which as of now I consider better than Therrien.

So Therrien in my opinion is pretty much up there as one of the best coach we had in a long time (since 1995 when Demers was fired, so 20 years ago).

And to conclude, changing the coach none-stop and asking for his head is a poor way of managing your club.Keep the stability, let the coach be comfortable enough in his seat, let him work long-term with some players, let the players know he has actual power.I hope Therrien stays for the remaining of our window to win a cup.

Edit: I checked quickly and apparently no coach since Scotty Bowman stayed with us for 5 consecutive seasons (even if we include the seasons where the coach is hired/fired).That's a ridiculous testament of instability.Therrien might be on his way if he stays next year.

Even if he can win us the Cup I think there will always be someone who doesn't buy the system.

 

[Deluded Puck]

Back to back games of domination?

Things will be like this forever!

Seriously, I hope it does, it makes life far easier for our goalies and just allows them to just focus on making "The save".

BTW the Desharnais line is the only one yet to score at ES, and the PP (outside of Galchenyuk's aggressiveness) is horribad. Always room for improvement.

Let's see if this continues against TBL, NYR, the Caps, Pens & other teams who consider their window to be open. Bruins & Leafs look like lottery teams and the Sens look like a bubble team at best.

 

[Rock On]

Even if I hate his past distribution of ice time to Galchenyuk and DD, he clearly delivered in the last 3 years. Nobody can argue that

 

[dcal64]

I repeat ... Someone should lose their job after this years PP continues from where it left off

They did fire (well re-orged) the coaching responsibilities. JJ was PK coach last year, but is now PP coach along with Ramsey.

Just thought of how funny it would be if Ramsey was the goalie coach, we would have a Ramsey Condon combo

 

[McGuires Corndog]

They did fire (well re-orged) the coaching responsibilities. JJ was PK coach last year, but is now PP coach along with Ramsey.

Just thought of how funny it would be if Ramsey was the goalie coach, we would have a Ramsey Condon combo

You gotta be gentle with Condon, last thing you want to do is Ramsay him and break him! We'd be left vulnerable!



I don't have much negative to say about the start of the season from a coaching perspective, other than that god awful PP. That really needs to be addressed.