Blue Jays Discussion: The trade deadline has passed. Time to see what this can do (most acquisitions expected to be present Thursday in Minnesota)

[phillipmike]

Anyone know if there is a capfriendly type of site for baseball? I wanted to see the contract status for the Blue Jays players. Thanks.

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Toronto Blue Jays Salaries and Contracts

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I like Baseball Reference as they give you details on contract options and service time.

 

[phillipmike]

Ranking the 2022 Trade Deadline deals

Contrary to how it may have seemed, the trade of a 23-year-old who is on track to all-time greatness and an inner-circle spot in Cooperstown was not the only thing that happened before Tuesday's Trade Deadline day. Though it may have seemed like every trade went through the Padres, it

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9) Blue Jays acquire P Zach Pop, P Anthony Bass and a player to be named for prospect IF Jordan Groshans
The red-hot Blue Jays have the offense humming, the top of the rotation buzzing (especially now that José Berríos seems to have righted the ship, posting a 3.00 ERA in six July starts) … and a very clear need for bullpen help around closer Jordan Romano. Somewhat similar to how they went out and added depth in the form of Adam Cimber and Trevor Richards last year, the answer was to find help in the form of multiple solid but non-star relievers.
That’s Bass, 34 -- who was a Blue Jay in 2020 -- who now looks nothing like the Padres swingman he was a decade ago, now that he’s throwing his slider more than ever and is striking out a man per inning. It’s Pop, 25, an Ontario native, who has an elite ground ball rate and the promise of more utility out of his slider. Giving up Groshans, 2018’s No. 12 pick, might seem like a high price. Then again, Groshans has spent his season in the Minors hitting for almost no power. It’s probably a worthwhile gamble for Miami to take, but it’s not clear they did.

18) Blue Jays acquire 2B/OF Whit Merrifield for two prospects

If there was a more unlikely fit of player and team, we challenge you to do better than Toronto and Merrifield, who famously could not enter Canada just three weeks ago due to his choice to remain unvaccinated. We’re assuming that won’t be an issue, or this trade wouldn’t have even been an option; that aside, the Jays have picked up the next year and a half of a versatile veteran who can play multiple spots. To his credit, at least, Merrifield has rebounded after a brutal start, posting a .759 OPS since May 11. That the Royals didn’t get a big name here -- which is not disrespect to Max Castillo, who should pitch big league innings right away -- it shows that they should have traded Merrifield at least three years ago.

 

[stickty111]

I mean it was 6 average or better starts in a row. That’s basically what mid rotation guys do. Can’t expect every start from here on out to be great.

Mid rotation? The standard has dropoed already. It's good the panel is talking about his home and road splits being a serious issue, and not about July. I'll take the bigger sample size. I'm not going to pretend his July means more

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Yankees lose again. Would've been really nice to be < 10 games back tonight

 

[stats1]

Yankees lose again. Would've been really nice to be < 10 games back tonight

Very true. It makes it look less daunting. Plus single digits… don’t think the Yankees wouldn’t have noticed. But no 3 brain farts in a full inning ruins a great comeback

 

[Langdon Alger]

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Toronto Blue Jays Salaries and Contracts

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I like Baseball Reference as they give you details on contract options and service time.

Thanks!

 

[Eyedea]

Mid rotation? The standard has dropoed already. It's good the panel is talking about his home and road splits being a serious issue, and not about July. I'll take the bigger sample size. I'm not going to pretend his July means more

Probably because half of his 2022 home starts came last month… you remember his first start? At home? Didn’t even get through the first inning? There’s no explanation for why he would pitch better in a hitter’s friendly park like ours. Unless you’re talking about his career, where majority of his home starts have come in a pitcher friendly park like Target Field. I’ve spoken to someone who is a Twins fan about Berrios and this has always been an issue with him. He’ll look like an ace for parts of a season, and AAA calibre in the others. In the end, he usually settles around mid rotation numbers. Obviously this is the worst of his seasons to date but unfortunately (or fortunately since you expect regression) this isn’t completely out of the ordinary with him.

Also yes, mid rotation. Berrios has a backloaded contract where he’s getting paid 10m-18m aav over the first 5 seasons of his contract, with a 2/48 on the last 2 seasons (with an opt out just before). They were creative enough with his contract to not make it a hindrance in adding salary over the next 5+ years. If he somehow enjoys an amazing age 32 season, he could opt out for a bigger contract and free the team of 24m aav.

 

[stickty111]

Probably because half of his 2022 home starts came last month… you remember his first start? At home? Didn’t even get through the first inning? There’s no explanation for why he would pitch better in a hitter’s friendly park like ours. Unless you’re talking about his career, where majority of his home starts have come in a pitcher friendly park like Target Field. I’ve spoken to someone who is a Twins fan about Berrios and this has always been an issue with him. He’ll look like an ace for parts of a season, and AAA calibre in the others. In the end, he usually settles around mid rotation numbers. Obviously this is the worst of his seasons to date but unfortunately (or fortunately since you expect regression) this isn’t completely out of the ordinary with him.

Also yes, mid rotation. Berrios has a backloaded contract where he’s getting paid 10m-18m aav over the first 5 seasons of his contract, with a 2/48 on the last 2 seasons (with an opt out just before). They were creative enough with his contract to not make it a hindrance in adding salary over the next 5+ years. If he somehow enjoys an amazing age 32 season, he could opt out for a bigger contract and free the team of 24m aav.

Fair enough

 

[weems]

Pretty crazy to see how high his star % is.

 

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[as Pure as Evil]

i see a few others are coming around with the idea the yanks and mets are going to do there august and September collapse and sputter funny thing is we can catch the yanks if they keep up losing and we keep splitting and winning series

also would be fitting that the padres believe the hype and sputter down the stretch as well.

Pretty crazy to see how high his star % is.

that comparison is pretty hefty for a prospect to be hyped as a past top prospect is something. ahh guess these guys just know how to draft and the right guys to

 

[Suntouchable13]

I believe in Berrios and prices were too high for an "upgrade" anyway.

 

[Woodman19]

We are still discussing the deadline? lol We added BP and Rotation help now and for next year without touching our top prospects/assets. To me thats win win, even last night you could see the difference having those extra arms that arent complete write offs able to come in and keep the game close.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

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[trellaine201]

What else is new. Too bad he can’t stay healthy. Reminds me of sami salo and chris tanev from the canucks.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[Suntouchable13]

Why some guys just can't stay healthy? Even if he fixes the elbow ailment in the off season, next year his knee will break down or something. Always something with George. Some guys are just like that, I don't get it.

 

[red devil]

Not surprising hopefully the anti inflammatory and rest can help so he can play more often down the stretch.

 

[Woodman19]

I would shut him down too. Give it a week or two of constant rest to let the inflammation go down.

 

[red devil]

 

[Canada4Gold]

First look at a couple Jays 2022 draftees. 6th rounder TJ Brock went 1 inning in Dunedin with 2 K's. 7th rounder Peyton Williams 1 single and 1 walk in 4 plate apperances.8th rounder Dylan Rock a triple and a walk in 4 plate apperances

 

[phillipmike]

I believe in Berrios and prices were too high for an "upgrade" anyway.

My thoughts too. Castillo would have cost you Moreno and I’m not making that trade especially with his shoulder injury earlier this year. Mahle isn’t vaccinated. And you were right there for Montas but again he had 2 shoulder injuries this year - 1 only a few weeks ago. Best I would have done was Orelvis+ and if the A’s liked the Yankees deal better, so be it.

Outside of that, not very many other names would have been upgrades. Syndergaard would have been nice, again we were right there and the Angels liked the Phillies offer better and White isn’t that far off from Syndergaard this year in terms of peripherals and production.

 

[phillipmike]

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I'm personally glad the front office hedged during the trade deadline instead of going all in with this group. The roster as currently constructed is just too flawed to fix in-season without costing us our entire farm system. We can better fill the holes this off season and just ride it out with what we have this playoffs hoping for the best.

In the off season we only stand to lose Stripling and we can add important pieces just for just money. We also go into 2012 possibly adding a more experienced Tiedemann, Zulu, and Moreno to the core (instead of trading them for one guy), with other prospects like Horowitz and Barger knocking on the door for a call-up.