Blue Jays Discussion: The trade deadline has passed. Time to see what this can do (most acquisitions expected to be present Thursday in Minnesota)

[dredeye]

He's become loudmouth blowhard.

Seriously. He just keeps getting louder and more "old man yells at clouds" rantier. It's brutal to listen to.

Because loud and obnoxious is how so many people famous now that everyone does it to try and get famous themselves

 

[phillipmike]

Most Interesting Under-the-Radar Deals From the MLB Trade Deadline

While blockbuster trades stole the show, which subtle moves will prove most significant for teams either looking for a playoff push or total rebuild?

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Blue Jays trade IF Jordan Groshans to Marlins for RP Anthony Bass, RP Zach Pop from Marlins​

Trades for relief pitchers dominate deadline day, and the Blue Jays snagged two quality arms from Miami in one move. In exchange for minor league infielder Jordan Groshans—who was a first-round pick in 2018 but has put up a meager .635 OPS in 73 games in primarily Triple A this year—Toronto landed both Bass and Pop to help fortify the backend of its bullpen.

Go to Bass’s Baseball Savant page—there’s a lot of red in there. Like many pitchers throughout the league, Bass has leaned more heavily on his slider than he ever has before, and the results have been outstanding. Hitters are whiffing on 40.7% swings against the pitch this year, with a .178 batting average and no home runs. Pop, meanwhile, throws a heavy sinker 83.2% of the time to generate an absurd 63.1% ground ball rate. Those two will join Jordan Romano, David Phelps, Yimi Garcia and Adam Cimber, and could be enormous difference makers in a postseason series (assuming the Jays are able to get there).

Groshans was the 12th pick in the 2018 draft as an 18-year-old, and performed well in two pre-pandemic seasons. He made it to Double A in ‘21 and put up a robust .297/.367/.450 slash line in 75 games, but has seen his play regress drastically this year, with just 10 extra-base hits and one homer in 304 plate appearances. There’s still time to develop into a starting caliber infielder, and if he does so this will be a worthwhile swap for the forward-looking Marlins.

MLB Trade Deadline Winners and Losers

After a whirlwind of deals unfolded over the last couple of days, let’s review the good, bad and ugly from trade deadline season.

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Toronto Blue Jays​

The good: They shored up their bullpen by adding Anthony Bass and Zach Pop from the Marlins. The bad: Where is the rotation help they needed? And the in-between: Here is Whit Merrifield, too, even though his trade value is as low as it’s been in his career.

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Question: How come the Blue Jays didn’t trade for another starting pitcher but thought Whit Merrifield would make for a worthy addition?

Answer: Umm, there isn’t really a way to explain the Merrifield move, because they already have Cavan Biggio to fill the role of utilityman. Their pitching decisions at the deadline make much more sense when you consider their strategy to upgrade their pitching staff, even if it’s along the margins, without jeopardizing the long-term stability of the organization.

Toronto has one of the best starting pitcher duos—Kevin Gausman and Alek Manoah—atop its rotation. José Berríos, who the Blue Jays had expected would give their team one of the most dominant starting trios, struggled for the first three months of the season. But in his six starts since July 1, Berríos has a 3.00 ERA and is striking out 28.2% of the batters he’s faced. Their fourth starter, Yusei Kikuchi, has been quite inconsistent this year, but as the fourth pitcher in a playoff series, he’s serviceable, so long as he doesn’t face an opposing lineup for a third time in a game. Opponents have an .808 OPS against him the first time through the order (mainly because he walks 18.1% of the batters he faces for the first time in a game), and a .724 OPS the second time around. Their collective OPS jumps to 1.079 in their third plate appearance against him. Basically, hitters turn into the 1971 version of Henry Aaron.

So, the Blue Jays decided that adding depth to their bullpen was the best way for them to improve for the final two months of the regular season—to secure home-field advantage in the first round of the playoffs—and to have a chance to make a postseason run without giving up the prospects that would’ve been necessary to acquire Castillo and Montas. On top of that, the Jays felt that the two relievers they got, Anthony Bass and Zach Pop, would be more valuable to them than adding someone like Quintana, Tyler Mahle and Noah Syndergaard.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Tiedemann first for New Hampshire in about a half hour. Apparently only going 2-3 innings because he's been off for a while

 

[Da Cool Rula]

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[hockeywiz542]

 

[red devil]

 

[weems]

not sure if he's done after 3 innings but statline so far

 

[Canada4Gold]

Tiedemann done after 3. Probably because he has a flight to catch to Buffalo or something

 

[phillipmike]

 

[stats1]

Tiedemann us as untouchable as you can get for a prospect. It’s only 3 innings in AA but damn the kid is only 19! He looks nasty

 

[Canada4Gold]

Next youngest pitcher? Because he's only 9 month yougner than Orelvis

 

[Eyedea]

Eury Perez (2003 born) is in AA, just a different league.

 

[Dr.Funk]

I feel like a missed something

 

[phillipmike]

Eury Perez (2003 born) is in AA, just a different league.

Next youngest pitcher? Because he's only 9 month yougner than Orelvis

 

[red devil]

I feel like a missed something

Here's a screenshot of the original tweet it was actually liked by Anthony Bass at time.

 

[stickty111]

Surprisingly it looks like a silly move by management to not find an upgrade on Berrios.

 

[Hoverhand]

In your opinion who is?

I think you could make a great case for Chris Illitch being the worst owner.


He's relatively new but he's nickel and dimed the team, has refused to cut bait with an awful GM, and has created animosity with fans.

 

[Eyedea]

Surprisingly it looks like a silly move by management to not find an upgrade on Berrios.

And why would they do that after he had a good July?

 

[phillipmike]

Not ideal but start him at home if possible. And if the Jays make the playoffs, it’s easier to manage getting him home starts.

 

[stickty111]

And why would they do that after he had a good July?

You can't accept a terrible outing after 2-3 good outings. If we are than thats how far he has fallen. I'm still optimistic on him based on his track record but currently it's not good enough.

 

[dredeye]

Berrios is a big problem. That contract is going to become a huge problem If he can’t figure himself out

 

[Langdon Alger]

Anyone know if there is a capfriendly type of site for baseball? I wanted to see the contract status for the Blue Jays players. Thanks.

 

[ryno23]

Anyone know if there is a capfriendly type of site for baseball? I wanted to see the contract status for the Blue Jays players. Thanks.

I use this site

2025 Toronto Blue Jays Payroll Table

An updated look at the Toronto Blue Jays 2025 payroll table, including team totals, retained figures, and complete breakdowns of player salaries, and bonuses.

www.spotrac.com

 

[Eyedea]

You can't accept a terrible outing after 2-3 good outings. If we are than thats how far he has fallen. I'm still optimistic on him based on his track record but currently it's not good enough.

I mean it was 6 average or better starts in a row. That’s basically what mid rotation guys do. Can’t expect every start from here on out to be great.

 

[Langdon Alger]

I use this site

2025 Toronto Blue Jays Payroll Table

An updated look at the Toronto Blue Jays 2025 payroll table, including team totals, retained figures, and complete breakdowns of player salaries, and bonuses.

www.spotrac.com

Thank you.