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Blue Jays Discussion: The trade deadline has passed. Time to see what this can do (most acquisitions expected to be present Thursday in Minnesota)

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phillipmike said:
A list of all the position players moved at the deadline; Only Soto and maybe Bell move the needle. Next on the list is Drury and Benintendi. Jays didnt need a position player but grabbed one in Merrifield. There are only 3 players ahead of Merrifield that would have made sense for the Jays; Soto, Bell and Marsh. And Marsh isnt better than Merrifield this season.

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All the starters; of who could been had, only Castillo moves the needle. Mahle cant play in Toronto and Montas hasnt recovered from injury. Quintana could have helped. Next tier of players are pretty much performing the same; Montgomery, Odorizzi, Syndergaard and White. And Jays got Mitch White.

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All the relievers, but the Jays added #1 on the list in Bass and number 13 in Pop.

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I wish the Jays could have added more but outside of Soto, Castillo, Quintana and maybe Bell, not a lot of difference makers were added and even then, its what is already here that will propel you to the playoffs and how far you go. We all thought the Jays would be contending for the division and that they would be better than this but frankly they are a wildcard team. They are losing games to teams in the playoffs and in the Wildcard hunt. If you are realistic and see them as a wildcard team, you will know they arent going to be running away with a playoff spot in August.

Here are the dates the WC spots were clinched in the AL since introduction of the 2nd wildcard;
2021: Last day of the season, October 3rd (Boston and New York)
2019: September 27th (Oakland) and September 28th (Tampa)
2018: September 22nd (Yankees) and September 24th (Oakland)
2017: September 23rd (Yankees) and September 28th (Minnesota)
2016: Last day of the season, October 2nd (Toronto and Baltimore)
2015: October 1st (Yankees) and October 4th (Houston)
2014: September 27th (Kansas City) and September 28th (Oakland)
2013: Last day of the season, September 30th (Tampa Bay and Cleveland)
2012: September 29th (Baltimore) and September 30th (Rangers)

Hold on to your hats, because there will be a lot of ups and downs until the final weekend of the regular the season.
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The sad part is that the Yankees decided to have a historic first half this year. If they did not, Jays would still be in the hunt for the division with all their flaws and all. Coulda shoulda woulda, but Yankees were playing unsustainable ball for the first half out of nowhere.
 
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It's weird because when you look at the offense, only Tapia and Espinal are below average and they are just barely below.

I was really optimistic about the team. The bullpen has been awful but the team also has underperformed for some reason. That can happen to well-built teams. Management has made some mistakes like all do. However, they have made a lot of progress in the developmental, and IFA signings which is huge.

Also, unless it has changed, the defense has been improved as well.
 
If the Jays can win 3 game series 2-1 and split 4 gamers where they have 1 with the Yanks and 2 with the Rays they should be able to host the wild card series which would be huge. No way you want to head to the trop to play a playoff series.
 
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If the Jays can win 3 game series 2-1 and split 4 gamers where they have 1 with the Yanks and 2 with the Rays they should be able to host the wild card series which would be huge. No way you want to head to the trop to play a playoff series.
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I would much rather face the Twins at Target Field as the 3rd wildcard spot than the prospect of playing any playoff game at Tropicana Field. It's not even that the Rays are scary, I just want no parts of playing a game in that stadium.
 
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Lol bandwagoners. Half of you were just waiting for it to look like there's hope so you can shit on them.

People are letting the AL East screw with their heads. The Jays are still the third best team in the AL and have shown they can beat anyone if they're hot.

Don't let losing two games to a good O's team make you think the sky is falling. Things definitely could, and probably should be better if I'm being honest, but people here are acting like they're competing for the top pick with the likes of the Reds and Pirates for gods sake.
 
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Eyedea said:
And what about the players? The ones that were what, a top 3 (at the very least top 5) favourite heading into the season?
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Agreed on the players too. To many guys not meeting expectations. One could actually argue the entire offense is underperforming to their specific expectations minus Kirk.
 
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If you’re a one-number kind of analyst, Teoscar Hernández is having an unremarkable season. After posting a 132 wRC+ last year, he’s back at it with a 129 mark this year. His overall batting line is down – .274/.326/.495 compared to .296/.346/.524 in 2021 – but between playing all of his home games in Toronto instead of Dunedin and Buffalo and the overall decline in league-wide offense, he’s been roughly the same hitter relative to league average in both years.

If you look at his underlying rates, you still won’t see much difference. Hernández is walking 0.5 percentage points more often this season than last season. He’s striking out 1.4 percentage points more often. He’s running a similar ISO, a similar BABIP, and a similar barrel rate. But zoom in juuust a little bit and things splinter:
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But if Hernández has leveled up, if he suddenly becomes hard to strike out in addition to showing prodigious all-fields power, you’ll know why. First, he reined in his first-pitch approach. Next, he made a conscious effort to pare back on swinging at borderline pitches, even if it meant letting a few more good ones go by. I don’t know what comes after that, but I do know that Toronto’s AL East opponents won’t be happy that Hernández was able to take what looked like a down year in May and turn it into an opportunity for improvement.
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shaner89 said:
Agreed on the players too. To many guys not meeting expectations. One could actually argue the entire offense is underperforming to their specific expectations minus Kirk.
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I don't think you could say that at all.

- expectations on Guerrero were probably too high and it's weird that his season is 'disappointing' when he's the 7th best hitter in the AL by OPS and 9th in WAR. He's above his career OPS.
- Chapman is above his career OPS and has had a major rebound from the past two years.
- Gurriel is above his career OPS.
- Kirk has had a massive breakout.
- Hernandez is above his career OPS but down slightly from the last two years, due to a slow stretch after returning from injury. Has been raking as usual the past couple months.
- Springer was right on his career OPS until his recent injury-related slump of the past few weeks.
- Tapia and Jansen are above their career OPS. Espinal has been about expected. Biggio is slightly below his career OPS.

The only guy really having a 'bad' season is Bichette.

The team overall is 1st in batting average and 2nd in OPS in the AL this season.
 
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MS said:
I don't think you could say that at all.

- expectations on Guerrero were probably too high and it's weird that his season is 'disappointing' when he's the 7th best hitter in the AL by OPS and 9th in WAR. He's above his career OPS.
- Chapman is above his career OPS and has had a major rebound from the past two years.
- Gurriel is above his career OPS.
- Kirk has had a massive breakout.
- Hernandez is above his career OPS but down slightly from the last two years, due to a slow stretch after returning from injury. Has been raking as usual the past couple months.
- Springer was right on his career OPS until his recent injury-related slump of the past few weeks.
- Tapia and Jansen are above their career OPS. Espinal has been about expected. Biggio is slightly below his career OPS.

The only guy really having a 'bad' season is Bichette.

The team overall is 1st in batting average and 2nd in OPS in the AL this season.
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Is OPS the only stats that matters nowadays? Legit question

Regardless I think it’s fair to say VLAD Bo Springer and Teo have all underperformed. Those are the major bats.
 
Springer - Average and power down
Teo - Average and power down
VLAD - Average and Power down
Bo - everything down

Facts. Not sure how one can say otherwise
 
shaner89 said:
Is OPS the only stats that matters nowadays? Legit question

Regardless I think it’s fair to say VLAD Bo Springer and Teo have all underperformed. Those are the major bats.
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OPS is probably the best stat to measure offensive contribution, yes.

I don't think it's fair to say that at all. Hernandez and Springer have both been great when healthy but had a poor stretch due to injury. Guerrero is only underperforming relative to ridiculous expectations.
 
Guriel average is up but he legit lost all power. 5 HR is embarrassing in 400 plate appearances
 
shaner89 said:
Springer - Average and power down
Teo - Average and power down
VLAD - Average and Power down
Bo - everything down

Facts. Not sure how one can say otherwise
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Everything is down all around baseball due to the different balls, and two of those guys' issues are blatantly injury-related.
 
MS said:
OPS is probably the best stat to measure offensive contribution, yes.

I don't think it's fair to say that at all. Hernandez and Springer have both been great when healthy but had a poor stretch due to injury. Guerrero is only underperforming relative to ridiculous expectations.
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Yes and that was my point. They are all under achieving given expectations. Great or not they are still down from last year.
 
MS said:
Everything is down all around baseball due to the different balls, and two of those guys' issues are blatantly injury-related.
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Ya that’s something I don’t know about… the balls being different or whatever. So everyone’s offensive stats are down? Not just our guys
 
Starting to wonder if some you have pre made templates. Just replace dubas and shatkins and spout the same nonsense.

I get being upset but when your post history just cries and complains no matter what subject or scenario . It might be a root of a bigger problem

This is a message board for conversations not a diary to bitch and moan how dissapointed you are. 24 7 for not getting your way

Not all have some amazing posters and conversations just some that keep spouting the.same thing no matter whay month year or day
 
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This season has been frustrating but the only real blunder was the damn Kikuchi contract. If we signed anyone remotely competent instead then the starting pitching isn't much of an issue at all. Atkins should absolutely get raked over the coals for that deal, but it's not a fire-able offense I don't think. At least not yet.
 
BertCorbeau said:
2nd in the division and 3rd best record in the AL being in the toughest division in the MLB.
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While that's true, if we lose to Bal tonight behind Berrios and his 7.5 road ERA this season, we could be out of a wild card spot entirely by Friday.
 
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