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Blue Jays Discussion: The trade deadline has passed. Time to see what this can do (most acquisitions expected to be present Thursday in Minnesota)

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phillipmike said:
If the Jays did more at the deadline and stunk, fans would be calling for the front office's head. If the Jays did nothing and played well, fans would be saying "see they should have done more, this team is ready." Its a no win.

The Yankees, and Padres won the deadline but are playing terrible. And i bet some Jays fans will say "well at least they did something" - yeah they may have made their team worse in the long run with no immediate impact in the win column yet.

The teams that did a lot at the deadline and their records since;

Phillies: 5-1
Mariners: 4-3
Twins: 3-3
Yankees: 1-5
Brewers: 1-5
Braves: 2-5
Padres: 2-5

Only the Phillies have done better and 4 of those wins were against the Nationals.

And those who wanted starting pitching added at the deadline, here are all the starters who where traded in July to other teams and what they have done since being moved;

Castillo: 4.05 ERA
Montas: 18.00 ERA
Syndergaard: 7.00 ERA
Mahle: 6.00 ERA (Unvaccinated)
Boyd: Hasnt pitched in the majors in 2022
Odorizzi: 3.86 ERA
Quintana: 1.50 ERA
Montgomery: 0.00 ERA

Luis Castillo would have cost you Moreno which is a non starter. Montas was traded for a lot for a guy with a shoulder injury. White is comparable to Syndergaard. Mahle isnt vaccinated and cant play in Toronto. Boyd isnt pitching. Houston wanted a reliever for Odorizzi - which we dont have and the Astros wouldnt have traded him to a team they are likely to play in the ALDS. Yankees arent trading Montgomery to their division rival. So unless there were a lot of people on the Quintana train, which there wasnt, he was the only real option. And Quintana was traded for St. Louis' 4th best reliever throwing 96mph with control and the Cards 10th best prospect who is now Pirates' 11th best prospect in a stacked system. We dont have a reliever to trade, we were adding relievers.

And i saw some calling for Max Castillo in the other thread, he has a 40.50 ERA in his first game with the Royals AAA team.
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phillipmike said:


This is why i didnt like the signing - cant stay healthy and cant play CF. Great bat but you signed him to be your CF and so far 1.5ish years in he hasnt been your predominant CF due to injury. You have gotten close to no value out of him to play CF and less than halfway through the deal he cant stay healthy, will likely have to move to the corner OF and again find another CF. In my opinion, just DH him so you can at least have his bat in the lineup and forget about him playin CF and let him get the odd spot in the corner OF.
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Don’t think Jays signed Springer to be a defensive CF with his ops+ and meh defensive rating most years.
 
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phillipmike said:
If the Jays did more at the deadline and stunk, fans would be calling for the front office's head.
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What would you base this theory on? The only time Jays went big at the deadline was when AA got Price and Tulo, and he was praised for those moves, even when we lost to KC.

The other time he went big and flamed out was 2012 with the Dickey et all trades, but I don't remember the majority of fans calling for AAs head after that season either (my memory isn't great that far back, correct me if I'm wrong).

This management only went big a couple of times - Ryu and Springer...neither move looks to be great in retrospect, but I don't see too much ire directed at management over those moves.
 
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Kurtz said:
What would you base this theory on? The only time Jays went big at the deadline was when AA got Price and Tulo, and he was praised for those moves, even when we lost to KC.

The other time he went big and flamed out was 2012 with the Dickey et all trades, but I don't remember the majority of fans calling for AAs head after that season either (my memory isn't great that far back, correct me if I'm wrong).

This management only went big a couple of times - Ryu and Springer...neither move looks to be great in retrospect, but I don't see too much ire directed at management over those moves.
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You don't think Berrios was a big deadline move?

Honestly, I would keep Zimmer over Bradley if given the choice. They both suck enough that neither should ever start a game, but at least Zimmer is a much better fit in the defensive-replacement/pinch-running role.
 
Kurtz said:
What would you base this theory on? The only time Jays went big at the deadline was when AA got Price and Tulo, and he was praised for those moves, even when we lost to KC.

The other time he went big and flamed out was 2012 with the Dickey et all trades, but I don't remember the majority of fans calling for AAs head after that season either (my memory isn't great that far back, correct me if I'm wrong).

This management only went big a couple of times - Ryu and Springer...neither move looks to be great in retrospect, but I don't see too much ire directed at management over those moves.
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What about being aggressive and landing Kevin Gausman? What about getting Chapman to solidify the 3rd base position? This management has done a lot to improve this team. They will be aggressive again in the winter depending what the team does in the playoffs.
 
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Seath The Scaleless said:
What did the tweet say?
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Discoverer said:
Honestly, I would keep Zimmer over Bradley if given the choice. They both suck enough that neither should ever start a game, but at least Zimmer is a much better fit in the defensive-replacement/pinch-running role.
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I feel like the Jays are just going to let JBJ have a nice 2-3 week audition to prove he doesn't suck and provide some value as a LH batter on a team that has practically none of them. Right now it seems like Zimmer is effectively Dyson from last year, and JBJ needs to prove he can be Dickerson.

Otherwise, the 40-man spots are getting thin. Peacock was just filler anyways but the Jays have guys coming off of IL soon and have some AAA prospects like Hernandez and Horowitz who may earn some opportunities as well. If JBJ can't be at least as good as Dickerson in those next 2-3 weeks, his spot is likely going to a pitcher or maybe Horowitz will get a chance to do what JBJ would have ultimately failed to do.

Seath The Scaleless said:
What did the tweet say?
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I think they took it down because it is Matt Peacock; not Brad Peacock.
 
Not exactly expecting much from JBJ.

Merrifield's numbers were poor but the peripherals said he was unlucky and due for a rebound. JBJ's numbers are awful and the peripherals say that's accurate. EVs are down like 5 MPH from 3-4 years ago.
 
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phillipmike said:


This is why i didnt like the signing - cant stay healthy and cant play CF. Great bat but you signed him to be your CF and so far 1.5ish years in he hasnt been your predominant CF due to injury. You have gotten close to no value out of him to play CF and less than halfway through the deal he cant stay healthy, will likely have to move to the corner OF and again find another CF. In my opinion, just DH him so you can at least have his bat in the lineup and forget about him playin CF and let him get the odd spot in the corner OF.
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Can’t play CF? What are you talking about?
 
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A ton of the 2022 draftees in the Dunedin lineup tonight.

2nd rounder Kasevich starting at SS
3rd rounder Roden starting in RF
comp pick Doughty starting at 3B
7th rounder Williams starting at 1B
8th rounder Rock starting in LF
15th rounder Turconi starting at DH
UDFA Brown starting in CF
 
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Discoverer said:
You don't think Berrios was a big deadline move?

Honestly, I would keep Zimmer over Bradley if given the choice. They both suck enough that neither should ever start a game, but at least Zimmer is a much better fit in the defensive-replacement/pinch-running role.
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You're right, Berrios was the biggest move of them all. Note though that there is no outrage at mgmt for trading/signing him despite how bad he's been.
 
Berrios also gets the benefit of the doubt because he has 5 seasons of above average to great play under his belt. Enough of a sample size to suggest that his ugly start was just a blip on the radar.

Kikuchi has a grand total of two months of good pitching in his time in the majors.

Anyone suggesting they're similar has rocks for brains.
 
Kurtz said:
You're right, Berrios was the biggest move of them all. Note though that there is no outrage at mgmt for trading/signing him despite how bad he's been.
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Imagine signing a pitcher with a sub 4 era the past 6 seasons and has been consistently good. Why would anyone do that?
 
GoonieFace said:
Imagine signing a pitcher with a sub 4 era the past 6 seasons and has been consistently good. Why would anyone do that?
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Right, that's the point. If they make a good move and it doesn't work out there is no evidence that fans will want them fired for it.
 
It would be awesome if Merryweather could actually stay healthy for a few months at the end of the season.

We could definitely use his velocity. Here's some of his pitches from todays outing.

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