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Blue Jays Discussion: The trade deadline approaches (Tue, Aug 2 at 6pm ET/3pm PT) and the market is taking shape

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cyris said:
How worried about his injuries do you think the team was they knew what they were and drafted him in the first round?
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I’m not saying they were overly worried about it, I’m saying it made him more expendable in management’s eyes.
 
Evaluating the Yankees and Astros Deadline Moves vs the Jays:

I hear a lot of the Yankees and Astros got better and the Jays didnt close the gap, it widened. At some level they are right but at other levels, they arent.

Yankees did more because they had to. They just lost their best reliever to Tommy John in Michael King and their 4th starter, Severino was added to the 60 man IL in Severino. And they traded a starter Montgomery and an starting OF, Gallo.

Yankees:

Added: fWAR;
Benintendi: 2.1
Effross: 1.2
Montas: 2.0
Trivino: 0.1
Bader: 1.5
Total: 6.9 WAR

Lost or Likely Replacing: fWAR;
Gallo: 0.3
King: 1.7
Montgomery: 1.4
Severino: 0.9
Gonzalez: 0.5
Total: 4.8 WAR

Bader has Plantar Fasciitis and is in a walking boot, he is supposed to return in September if everything goes well.

Astros:

Added: fWAR;
Mancini: 1.2
Vasquez: 1.1
Smith: -0.5
Total: 1.8 WAR

Lost or Likely Replacing: fWAR;
Siri: 0.7
Odorizzi: 1.2
Castro: -0.6
Total: 1.3 WAR

Jays:

Added: fWAR;
Bass: 1.4
Pop: 0.3
Merrifield: 0.6
White: 0.7
Total: 3.0 WAR

Lost or Likely Replacing: fWAR;
Beasley: -0.2
Banda: 0.0
Thornton: -0.1
Zimmer: -0.3
Total: -0.6 WAR

Aggregate WAR Added:
Jays: 3.6 fWAR
Yankees: 2.1 fWAR
Astros: 0.5 fWAR

Obviously the Jays didnt have the best deadline of the three teams but they had less holes to fill. They were replacing replacement level players with better players. Yankees were replacing star or good players with star or good players. Astros replace good or bad player with good or bad players.

And we can point to the Twins and Mariners who did a lot, but they had to, before the deadline, they were well behind the Jays.

Pre-Deadline fWAR:
Yankees: 40 fWAR
Astros: 34.4 fWAR

Blue Jays: 28.1 fWAR

Twins: 21.3 fWAR
Mariners: 20.8 fWAR

The gap between the Twins/Mariners and the Jays is almost the same as the gap between the Jays and the Yankees/Astros.
 
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Also since May 20th, there is not much difference between Benintendi and Merrifield;

Benintendi: 1.4 fWAR, .062 ISO, -0.8 BSR, -1.7 DEF, .363 BABIP, 12.9% Soft%, 30.4 FB%, 0.65 WPA, 0.18 Clutch
Merrifield: 1.1 fWAR, .139 ISO, 0.8 BSR, 0.0 DEF, .304 BABIP. 11.8% Soft%, 36.5 FB%, 1.05 WPA, 0.87 Clutch

Merrifield has 3 more HRs, 8 more runs, 1 more RBI and 4 more SBs in 5 less PAs.

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Benintendi is the better hitter. But Merrifield is more versatile, the better base runner and defender.
 
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I think the only thing that confused me about this TDL was giving up Castillo. He is young, performed well as both a bullpen guy and starter, and is solid upper minors depth when the Jays have already lost a trio of higher end AAA guys (although none of them were all that impressive in the MLB).

I don't think the Jays care about Taylor all that much, but I feel like the Jays could actually use Castillo more than Merrifield right now and going forward... Unless they are more concerned about Springer than they are letting on.

Maybe the Jays have their eye on some guys on waivers.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
I think the only thing that confused me about this TDL was giving up Castillo. He is young, performed well as both a bullpen guy and starter, and is solid upper minors depth when the Jays have already lost a trio of higher end AAA guys (although none of them were all that impressive in the MLB).

I don't think the Jays care about Taylor all that much, but I feel like the Jays could actually use Castillo more than Merrifield right now and going forward... Unless they are more concerned about Springer than they are letting on.

Maybe the Jays have their eye on some guys on waivers.
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Seems like a lot of people are higher on Max Castillo than me. Perhaps because I followed him for years in the lower minors too and he never seemed to be much. He had a bit of a breakout year this year in AAA. But he never felt like a real prospect. Like the added Capra to the 40 man to fill a hole, or Saucedo and Allyeger or Snead last year it felt like he would eventually find his way off the 40 man, whether via trade or DFA. Perhaps I wasn't high enough on him but he felt like a guy to fill a hole until we had a more permanent replacement. When I saw he was traded today I literally didn't even give it a second thought.
 
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SDig14 said:
I do find it a bit odd Atkins seems to have no clue whether Merrifield will get vaccinated or not. Wouldn't you try to find that out before making a trade? It is possible he has done that and believes he will already, but seems a bit strange.
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The quote was definitely odd. If they acquired him not knowing if he'll get vaccinated ... that ain't smart. But I'm assuming they must know more than they were letting on, and that there is some confidentiality stuff involved.
 
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