Blue Jays Discussion: The "So, How About Them Blue Jays?" Edition. [1.5 Games ahead of Yankees]

[Longshot]

If it wasn't a reply to a injury replacement question then it's horrible wording imo because he makes it sound like everyone is eligible as long as they're in the organization today an midnight.

I think that's what it means. If the player is anywhere in the organization tonight at midnight, they're eligible. End of story.

Blair's clarification to that earlier comment was along the same lines. He was essentially saying Pompey can play in the playoffs whether they call him up tonight or next week when the Triple A season ends.

EDIT: I should clarify. If the player isn't on the 40-man roster, he would have to be placed on the 40-man to be eligible. Just like during the regular season.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Travis? Although that doesn't really constitute a "call-up".

andy Burns maybe? Is he on the 40? I can't think of another prospect they would want to keep down.

When was Loup sent down? Is tomorrow past 10 days?

 

[Longshot]

andy Burns maybe? Is he on the 40? I can't think of another prospect they would want to keep down.

When was Loup sent down? Is tomorrow past 10 days?

I think as of Sept. 1 the 10-days doesn't matter anymore. I could be wrong, but Thole hasn't been down 10 days and he will be back by Tuesday. Unless that's a Triple A specific rule.

 

[Eyedea]

I think as of Sept. 1 the 10-days doesn't matter anymore. I could be wrong, but Thole hasn't been down 10 days and he will be back by Tuesday. Unless that's a Triple A specific rule.

They sent him down to Bluefield (season ends before Buffalo's) specifically for that reason.

Loup has been down for more than 10 days though.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I think as of Sept. 1 the 10-days doesn't matter anymore. I could be wrong, but Thole hasn't been down 10 days and he will be back by Tuesday. Unless that's a Triple A specific rule.

10 day rule still applies. Thole was sent down to Bluefield for that reason, Bluefield's season ends tomorrow so Thole can then come back up, but if the season isn't over they have to be there for 10 days. Which was why Thole was sent to Bluefield and not Buffalo.

 

[TootooTrain]

cecil sucks & why would they need a leftie when their bullpen is amazing

Show your work.

 

[Longshot]

10 day rule still applies. Thole was sent down to Bluefield for that reason, Bluefield's season ends tomorrow so Thole can then come back up, but if the season isn't over they have to be there for 10 days. Which was why Thole was sent to Bluefield and not Buffalo.

I didn't realize that. I thought they were just saving the Triple A team a roster space. As in, they knew Thole was coming right back and didn't want to disrupt the roster there with the season still going.

 

[hockeywiz542]

when did the talks with toronto begin and what was your initial reaction?

Shapiro: I do not remember exact timing, sometime probably in late july, but they obviously called and asked permission.

Dolan: Mark and i have had a dialogue since the day he started in this role and he said almost from the day he started that there would come a day when he sort of built an organization that he would no longer need to be a part of. When he first brought up the idea that toronto was an option for him, we had not talked about it in a while so i might have been a little surprised, but overall not surprised and very supportive.

was this a compensation (i.e. Players in return) issue with the blue jays?

Dolan: My relationship with mark was such that he had the ability to do this when the time was right for him. It was not a compensation issue.

(current blue jays gm) alex anthopolous has mentioned you in the past as someone who he’s leaned on for advice. Can you speak to your relationship with him?

Shapiro: I’ve had this conversation with (retiring jays ceo) paul beeston. Out of respect to where they are as a team, what they’re doing, how special it is right now … and out of respect to paul beeston and his incredible tenure, i will not have situation specific comments about toronto. Now’s not the time.

you said this is just the right time for you to move. What made it that right opportunity?

Shapiro: Internally, organizationally and professionally, even though i’d been in one place for 24 years, if you look at my career trajectory, i’ve had different jobs. I’ve always had the opportunity to be challenged and grow. When i became gm, i matured and the opportunity to become president intrigued me because i wanted to learn about the business side and major league baseball. I was incredibly fortunate to have that confidence put in me here. At some point, i outgrew any role here unless paul wants to hand the team to me from an ownership perspective. It just became, ‘how do i continue to grow and develop?’ this afforded a greater opportunity to even expand my leadership beyond what it is here. For us personally – the ages our kids are at, the dynamic of that city and what it could bring to our lives – my wife and i sat down once the kids demonstrated openness, it was the two of us saying, could we envision ourselves living here and are we open and up to the adventure? We might not create the incredible community and life that we have in cleveland, but maybe we’ll find a new one that will help us grow in some ways as a family.

You mentioned hesitations. How much did not winning a world series play into that hesitation?

Shapiro: It’s on the list of considerations. I want to be here when it’s done and i believe it’s going to happen. The biggest challenges for me in weighing it were, i’m not unhappy here. There are a lot of really great things here, most importantly people i love deeply and care about and respect. There’s a culture that we’ve collectively worked hard to put in place and there’s a life we feel good about in our community.

How much will your experience with the progressive field renovations help you in toronto?

Shapiro: I will have a laundry list of things to get acquainted with. Their stadium is a mature stadium that is in need of redevelopment. I think process, more than particulars, will be helpful in leading that process.

 

[TootooTrain]

andy Burns maybe? Is he on the 40? I can't think of another prospect they would want to keep down.

When was Loup sent down? Is tomorrow past 10 days?

Hague? When was he sent down.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Hague? When was he sent down.

23rd, so he'd have to wait until the 2nd. Not sure why they'd wait until the 7th for him.

Looking at the 40 man I don't see anyone I would consider a prospect that I'd keep down because I want them playing everyday. Maybe they plan on putting someone on the 40 man later like Burns? But don't want to DFA someone until the minor league season is over so they don't need them anymore?

 

[Cor]

David Robertson would have been very nice

 

[Longshot]

23rd, so he'd have to wait until the 2nd. Not sure why they'd wait until the 7th for him.

Looking at the 40 man I don't see anyone I would consider a prospect that I'd keep down because I want them playing everyday. Maybe they plan on putting someone on the 40 man later like Burns? But don't want to DFA someone until the minor league season is over so they don't need them anymore?

Okay, who is Burns and why should anybody be concerned about him with regards to the major league team right now?

The guys I expect back tomorrow when rosters expand are:

Delabar
Tepera
Loup
Pompey
Thole
Kawasaki

There might be other guys in the system that will eventually find their way here for September, but those are the immediate call ups I expect.

 

[91Kadri91*]

Haha takes him until the end of August to acknowledge. SMH.

Still waiting for him to acknowledge how wrong he was about the Hutch option.

Dickey has a 4.17 ERA in August, with a FIP of 4.26, 3.52, and 4.60 in June, July and August, respectively. His xFIP's in each of the last three months are as follows: 4.94, 4.48, 4.92. His batted ball profile didn't change a great deal between those months, and the month (August) where his batted ball profile is the best is the same month where his predictive statistics are the worst.

Hutchison has the best fWAR, FIP, xFIP, xFIP-, SIERA, and the second best tERA (behind Estrada, whose predictive statistics are terrible) among Jays' starters (excluding Price). Hutch also induces the most soft contact, throws the highest percentage of first strikes, and has the highest SwStr%.

 

[91Kadri91*]

You can't be serious? He started slow, but he's pitched like the guy we traded for since early June.

Seriously, what are you basing your opinion on?

Facts.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Okay, who is Burns and why should anybody be concerned about him with regards to the major league team right now?

The guys I expect back tomorrow when rosters expand are:

Delabar
Tepera
Loup
Pompey
Thole
Kawasaki

There might be other guys in the system that will eventually find their way here for September, but those are the immediate call ups I expect.

Burns is a guy who we drafted in the 11th round in 2011. He's 25 now, and a MLB utility man if probably his ceiling

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=542992#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL

He has pretty solid stats in Buffalo. I'd much prefer him to Kawasaki, on both sides of the ball.

 

[hockeywiz542]

toronto (ap) — the ownership of the toronto blue jays said monday it would "love" to keep general manager alex anthopoulos and has been in discussions about extending his contract.

The news comes on the day rogers communications announced the hiring of cleveland indians president mark shapiro to become team president. He replaces paul beeston, who is retiring at the end of the season.

"we'd love to extend alex's contract. He's done a terrific job. We've been in discussions, but frankly we're all focused on playing great baseball right now and winning," rogers spokesperson andrea goldstein said.

His contract expires in october.

anthopoulos acquired mvp candidate josh donaldson in the offseason and traded for david price and troy tulowitzki before the deadline to give toronto a chance at its first playoff spot since 1993. Blue jays games are breaking tv viewing records, and many canadians are talking baseball for the first time in years.

The hiring of a new president had many wondering if anthopoulos would be retained. Toronto has gone 24-6 since the tulowitzki trade to vault into first place. Toronto leads the al east by 1 1/2 games.

A message for anthopoulos wasn't immediately returned. He has been toronto's general manager since october 2009 and is canadian.

Shapiro, who has had several prominent roles in nearly 24 years with cleveland, will become the blue jays' president and ceo following this season. He previously served as general manager of the indians before being promoted to president.

"hopefully, it works out with alex," beeston said on rogers-owned fan 590 radio. "i think they can work together. I don't think there is an issue there. Alex has had six years as the general manager. He's shown what he can do. He's a person that learns from mistakes and going forward you hope that everything can work out."

 

[tml19]

Okay, who is Burns and why should anybody be concerned about him with regards to the major league team right now?

The guys I expect back tomorrow when rosters expand are:

Delabar
Tepera
Loup
Pompey
Thole
Kawasaki

There might be other guys in the system that will eventually find their way here for September, but those are the immediate call ups I expect.

Pinch running option

 

[Longshot]

Burns is a guy who we drafted in the 11th round in 2011. He's 25 now, and a MLB utility man if probably his ceiling

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=542992#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL

He has pretty solid stats in Buffalo. I'd much prefer him to Kawasaki, on both sides of the ball.

Is he on the 40-man? If so, call them both up. With the rosters expanding, it's not a question of either or. If they can both help at some point, get them up here.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Dickey has a 4.17 ERA in August, with a FIP of 4.26, 3.52, and 4.60 in June, July and August, respectively. His xFIP's in each of the last three months are as follows: 4.94, 4.48, 4.92. His batted ball profile didn't change a great deal between those months, and the month (August) where his batted ball profile is the best is the same month where his predictive statistics are the worst.

Hutchison has the best fWAR, FIP, xFIP, xFIP-, SIERA, and the second best tERA (behind Estrada, whose predictive statistics are terrible) among Jays' starters (excluding Price). Hutch also induces the most soft contact, throws the highest percentage of first strikes, and has the highest SwStr%.

Dickey routinely outperforms him peripherals, and he's done it long enough now that we can consider it a skill. Outperforming you FIp by half a run can be a skill, and Dickey has been able to do it over a long sample.

Weird that you posted the August ERA but not July and June, yet you posted all the FIp and xFIP stuff for the last 3 months. It's obvious you did it because he had a couple rough starts in August which he didn't have in July and June.

When you leave out info for certain months and include everything for other months, and the stuff you leave out makes your argument worse it makes you look bad

 

[Canada4Gold]

Is he on the 40-man? If so, call them both up. With the rosters expanding, it's not a question of either or. If they can both help at some point, get them up here.

not on the 40 man yet, but I'd gladly DFA someone like Colt Hynes to make room for him

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Dickey routinely outperforms him peripherals, and he's done it long enough now that we can consider it a skill.

Weird that you posted the August ERA but not July and June, yet you posted all the FIp and xFIP stuff for the last 3 months. It's obvious you did it because he had a couple rough starts in August which he didn't have in July and June.

When you leave out info for certain months and include everything for other months, and the stuff you leave out makes your argument worse it makes you look bad

I'd say more transparent than weird, but to each their own.

 

[Fantomas]

Dickey has a 4.17 ERA in August, with a FIP of 4.26, 3.52, and 4.60 in June, July and August, respectively. His xFIP's in each of the last three months are as follows: 4.94, 4.48, 4.92. His batted ball profile didn't change a great deal between those months, and the month (August) where his batted ball profile is the best is the same month where his predictive statistics are the worst.

Hutchison has the best fWAR, FIP, xFIP, xFIP-, SIERA, and the second best tERA (behind Estrada, whose predictive statistics are terrible) among Jays' starters (excluding Price). Hutch also induces the most soft contact, throws the highest percentage of first strikes, and has the highest SwStr%.

Fangraphs also really likes Hutchison.

 

[Longshot]

not on the 40 man yet, but I'd gladly DFA someone like Colt Hynes to make room for him

Fine with me.

Although, with Carrera, Pompey and Kawasaki around - they seem to have pinch running covered. But my thoughts on Sept. call ups are pretty simple: if you can have 40 guys. Use them. You never know when a 16-inning game might hit and you need them all.

 

[Nasty Nazem]

Burns is a guy who we drafted in the 11th round in 2011. He's 25 now, and a MLB utility man if probably his ceiling

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=542992#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL

He has pretty solid stats in Buffalo. I'd much prefer him to Kawasaki, on both sides of the ball.

Jays likely don't think much of him as they didn't even bother protecting him from rule 5 draft and still don't have him on the 40 man.

Kawasaki isn't really going to be used other than as a pinch run option and he is better defensively. Burns doesn't play SS/2B enough either.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Fine with me.

Although, with Carrera, Pompey and Kawasaki around - they seem to have pinch running covered. But my thoughts on Sept. call ups are pretty simple: if you can have 40 guys. Use them. You never know when a 16-inning game might hit and you need them all.

I agree but I'd use my best 40 guys, and not just use all the guys on the 40 because they're on the 40. Burns is at the point now, he should really be on the 40, he's not going to get that much better, might as well put him there and use him.

I'd have Burns not that far behind Pennington in terms of middle infielders, and he can give Donaldson a day off if we need him to, I think he can play the outfield as well, though I'm not sure how well.

He wouldn't play a whole lot, but he'd be useful when we need to move some guys around and need a middle infielder late in a game or something. More than just pinch running.