Player Discussion The Slaf Thread - Parabolic Growth Edition

[Spring in Fialta]

So our first overall pick is having medical procedures done then rushing off to play an international tournament?

Seems like a bad idea.

The Slovakian government was visiting him in Montreal during the season.

I'm pretty sure this guy will be playing for Slovakia every single chance he gets and that's just a reality we have to deal with.

 

[the valiant effort]

The Slovakian government was visiting him in Montreal during the season.

I'm pretty sure this guy will be playing for Slovakia every single chance he gets and that's just a reality we have to deal with.

Thankfully, aside from the odd first round hiccup following multiple deep runs, Slaf won’t be available for 14 of the next 17 World Championships

 

[Egresch]

The Slovakian government was visiting him in Montreal during the season.

I don't know what you mean, I have neverseen any info about such visit.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I don't know what you mean, I have neverseen any info about such visit.

I think it was on a broadcast.

At any rate, the guy is a budding star for a small nation who breathes hockey and got them a third place finish at the Olympics.

He's going to be committed to his national team and I don't think there's anything the Canadiens can do - or should - to prevent him from playing for them unless he's too injured to play or we're in the playoffs.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

None of our top line guys possess bonafide elite potential, but the overlap of them getting to play and grow together gives them their best chance at become PPG+ players. I keep watching JT Miller and I wonder if Slaf can get to that level.

Of course they have elite potential

 

[Habssince89]

Of course they have elite potential

Yeah I'm just saying none of them are in a Crosby/McDavid class of expectations. They all are very talented, and maybe this is a hot take, but each of those three Habs have 100pt capability. I just think a lot has to happen for that to be reality for even one of them.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Yeah I'm just saying none of them are in a Crosby/McDavid class of expectations. They all are very talented, and maybe this is a hot take, but each of those three Habs have 100pt capability. I just think a lot has to happen for that to be reality for even one of them.

An improved PP. Natural progression plus a whole year of playing together will do wonders for their stats. Better D as well will help.

I think the 3 can hover around the 100 point margin easily. Whether they break that barrier or not I think is a decent possibility. I feel confident Slaf will.

I think Slaf has an outside chance at being in that elite circle. If not quite McCrosby level but who knows how close he can get. He’s got tons of raw tools and seems to possess an uncanny ability to learn plus a shit ton of drive

 

[Habssince89]

An improved PP. Natural progression plus a whole year of playing together will do wonders for their stats. Better D as well will help.

I think the 3 can hover around the 100 point margin easily. Whether they break that barrier or not I think is a decent possibility. I feel confident Slaf will.

I think Slaf has an outside chance at being in that elite circle. If not quite McCrosby level but who knows how close he can get. He’s got tons of raw tools and seems to possess an uncanny ability to learn plus a shit ton of drive

Yeah in terms of peak Slafkovsky could reach the top of the league. But the difference between him and a McCrosby is that the latter does it from the start. It will take Slaf longer to reach his top form

 

[River Meadow]

I agree with Suzuki.

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90-100 pts potential for sure.

And is probably going to be paid like one.

R.I.P Mr. Molson's pocket book.

 

[Miller Time]

And is probably going to be paid like one.

R.I.P Mr. Molson's pocket book.

Be great if they can get him signed to a long term deal similar to CC/Suzuki...



All three signed for the next 6 seasons at a combined <24M would be amazing for our cap situation as we push into contention over next 2-3 seasons. Would set us up to have the cheapest "first line" (top 3 fwds) of any playoff team right now, let alone in 3-4 years from now.

 

[Hins77]

Slaf progression curve is insane. His developpment curve is almost vertical lol. But as fan we need to chill out with many prospect we have…. I read many posters like, « harris is becoming a top 4 dman, struble too ». « Heineman, Ylonen a top 9 winger… ». We can dream, but Slaf is the exception, not the rules. After 22/23 years old, most of the time is what you see, what you get

 

[ReHabs]

Slaf progression curve is insane. His developpment curve is almost vertical lol. But as fan we need to chill out with many prospect we have…. I read many posters like, « harris is becoming a top 4 dman, struble too ». « Heineman, Ylonen a top 9 winger… ». We can dream, but Slaf is the exception, not the rules. After 22/23 years old, most of the time is what you see, what you get

We have been cursed with a lot of bad luck and bad outcomes with other prospects but with Slafkovsky, if he is the exception and he will continue his growth trajectory, it will be truly amazing.

When people say luck plays a factor in winning the Cup, this is the sort of luck that is unheralded but just as important as lucky bounces. A 1OA who starts poorly, gets injured, starts the next season even worse and then just takes off... that's amazing. He's played very well and he will be a force in the league if he keeps up the pace and growth.

 

[cphabs]

They can rebuild him baby

Runner, can you please put the Canadian’s logo on him lol

 

[Scriptor]

Yeah I'm just saying none of them are in a Crosby/McDavid class of expectations. They all are very talented, and maybe this is a hot take, but each of those three Habs have 100pt capability. I just think a lot has to happen for that to be reality for even one of them.

I honestly don't think these players have 100-point capability, TBH, unless they play with another line ahead them that has 120-point capability and St-Louis plays two lines 25 minutes a night,including Uptime, and the other two lines a combined 10-minute total.

PPG players, yes and, if both lines on your top-6 come close to that, it's good enough to challenge for a Cup. Rather that than the Maple Leaf model.

 

[Scriptor]

Be great if they can get him signed to a long term deal similar to CC/Suzuki...



All three signed for the next 6 seasons at a combined <24M would be amazing for our cap situation as we push into contention over next 2-3 seasons. Would set us up to have the cheapest "first line" (top 3 fwds) of any playoff team right now, let alone in 3-4 years from now.

It's important that those three aren't signed for more than a 24M total, considering that our best four will likely cost us around 30M if things develop there best.

Going from an expected 95M Cap ceiling, that leaves 41M for 16 players, or an average of 2.565M per player, which honestly isn't as much as it might seem you are looking for talented depth. Just 18M spent on a 2nd line drops that average to 1,76M for the remaining 13 players to fill out your roster past a top-4 D and a top-6 Forward core, and we haven't even spoken about a G situation that should chime in around 8M, at best, leaving 1.35M per head for the remaining 11 players needed.

Hughes will seriously need handle the Cap situation with a keen eye if he wants keep a talented team together.

The BIGGEST mistake since Bettman took over is imagining hockey like it was the NBA, with only 5 players earning the bulk of the total Cap.It's too much of a teams port to look at managing the Cap that way.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Would be a good move to see if Slaf would take Caufield's contract extension this summer.

I would gamble on Guhle and have him play out the season. Unless he would take $6M x8.

We have been cursed with a lot of bad luck and bad outcomes with other prospects but with Slafkovsky, if he is the exception and he will continue his growth trajectory, it will be truly amazing.

When people say luck plays a factor in winning the Cup, this is the sort of luck that is unheralded but just as important as lucky bounces. A 1OA who starts poorly, gets injured, starts the next season even worse and then just takes off... that's amazing. He's played very well and he will be a force in the league if he keeps up the pace and growth.

He played very well once maturity/trust came and MSL stuck him with Suzuki. Next season, hopefully we get less injuries again and we have both Suzuki and Dach full time at center.

Very curious to see who we draft, who we trade for, and what our top 6 and top 9 forward group rounds out at.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's important that those three aren't signed for more than a 24M total, considering that our best four will likely cost us around 30M if things develop there best.

Going from an expected 95M Cap ceiling, that leaves 41M for 16 players, or an average of 2.565M per player, which honestly isn't as much as it might seem you are looking for talented depth. Just 18M spent on a 2nd line drops that average to 1,76M for the remaining 13 players to fill out your roster past a top-4 D and a top-6 Forward core, and we haven't even spoken about a G situation that should chime in around 8M, at best, leaving 1.35M per head for the remaining 11 players needed.

Hughes will seriously need handle the Cap situation with a keen eye if he wants keep a talented team together.

The BIGGEST mistake since Bettman took over is imagining hockey like it was the NBA, with only 5 players earning the bulk of the total Cap.It's too much of a teams port to look at managing the Cap that way.

This is why prolonging your draft power through the transition years is important. Inserting more guys on ELC/bridge deals as time moves forward is key.

 

[morhilane]

Would be a good move to see if Slaf would take Caufield's contract extension this summer.

Why would he do that instead of wait to play his remaining year and show he can do even more and get a bigger paycheck?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why would he do that instead of wait to play his remaining year and show he can do even more and get a bigger paycheck?

Because maybe nobody knows his ceiling level and he likes the guaranteed money now. Could get injured and/or have another season just like the last one with not much growth?

Come on guys. We all like his development in the 2nd half but his usage was very high with Suzuki and we have to pump the breaks on Slaf being a sure shot star type narrative.

It's not impossible that he won't consider the Caufield extension this summer.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Totally agree , lets fleece slaf on a 8 year this summer , take advantage of his golden heart and love for the game!!!

 

[BaseballCoach]

We have been cursed with a lot of bad luck and bad outcomes with other prospects but with Slafkovsky, if he is the exception and he will continue his growth trajectory, it will be truly amazing.

When people say luck plays a factor in winning the Cup, this is the sort of luck that is unheralded but just as important as lucky bounces. A 1OA who starts poorly, gets injured, starts the next season even worse and then just takes off... that's amazing. He's played very well and he will be a force in the league if he keeps up the pace and growth.

He did not start the next season worse! His pre-season was 3 times better than the first one, his chemistry with Dach and Newhook was obvious. When Dach went down, and he was put with a Newhook who was learning C in our system and Anderson who could not buy a goal and could still never set up a goal, Slaf's stats suffered. But not his play.

His play was much better and many of us pointed it out. The stats-focused posters couldn't see it, especially those who were skeptical of his skills since the draft debates. But by mid-November, both MSL and Nick Suzuki said that Slaf was ready for first line duties. How fans can still say they were right that he was bad, while the coach and captain were wrong, after the results proved he was ready, is beyond me.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He did not start the next season worse! His pre-season was 3 times better than the first one, his chemistry with Dach and Newhook was obvious. When Dach went down, and he was put with a Newhook who was learning C in our system and Anderson who could not buy a goal and could still never set up a goal, Slaf's stats suffered. But not his play.

His play was much better and many of us pointed it out. The stats-focused posters couldn't see it, especially those who were skeptical of his skills since the draft debates. But by mid-November, both MSL and Nick Suzuki said that Slaf was ready for first line duties. How fans can still say they were right that he was bad, while the coach and captain were wrong, after the results proved he was ready, is beyond me.

He wasn't bad to start the year. He just wasn't as good as he was towards the last 1/3 or 1/2 of the season.

The growth came with maturity and confidence. Puck on his stick and he wasn't as nervous or anxious with it. He also learned how to deal with physical contract and time/space better.

Spending a lot of time in the rink before and after practice is very important. He's obsessive at improving and not easily distracted. This to me has always been the biggest area of development growth the stars or top players have had. Even with size, skill, skating, you still have to put the time in. The top end players say this all the time.

 

[Mrb1p]

So our first overall pick is having medical procedures done then rushing off to play an international tournament?

Seems like a bad idea.

It's fine it's a minor procedure. Could be a circumcision.

 

[KevSkillz4]

Suzuki is 7,875 millions per year.
Caufield is 7,850 millions per year.

Let's sign Slaf at 7,865 millions per year for 8 years.

That's it!!

 

[Habs Halifax]

Suzuki is 7,875 millions per year.
Caufield is 7,850 millions per year.

Let's sign Slaf at 7,865 millions per year for 8 years.

That's it!!

Would be great team building in terms of assembling a cap competitive team. Today, Slaf probably compares himself to both Suzuki and Caufield in terms of him reaching his ceiling so why not get him paid the same and avoid all the contract distraction talk all season long.

With Slaf, a 8 year contract would be 4 RFA and 4 UFA. If the 8 year term and AAV is not something they agree on, Hughes can do the 3 year bridge at a lower cap hit. That could be risky to Slaf in terms of staying in the 50-60 points range or any potential derail.

I always find this interesting to manage. Team vs Player perspective and it's gambling a bit on the what the future looks like. Nobody knows