Player Discussion The Slaf Thread - Parabolic Growth Edition

[Canadienna]

I think hockey sense is a very difficult thing to evaluate and whether Slaf has it to the extent of Suzuki, he's a good example of that considering his hockey IQ was underrated in his draft profiles (and by many on here).

 

[Jaaanosik]

Frozen Frames: How Nick Suzuki’s hockey sense drives offence

Expectations are high for Nick Suzuki in the World Junior Hockey Championship. He is a first-rounder whose skills have been hyped up since he was traded to the Montreal Canadiens in the Max Pacioretty…

www.habseyesontheprize.com

Scout's Notebook: Evaluating Juraj Slafkovský's hockey sense

The latest edition of the Scout's Notebook has Elite Prospects lead scout David St-Louis breaking down Juraj Slafkovský's hockey sense in painstaking detail.

eprinkside.com

I mean there's not even a debate here.

It's a good joke.
One article does not represent a generally accepted agreement/understanding.

 

[Mrb1p]

It's a good joke.
One article does not represent a generally accepted agreement/understanding.

Bro I can't

 

[Jaaanosik]

I think hockey sense is a very difficult thing to evaluate and whether Slaf has it to the extent of Suzuki, he's a good example of that considering his hockey IQ was underrated in his draft profiles (and by many on here).

Very good point.
Not enough homework done regarding Slaf's IQ by the experts.

Bro I can't

I watch games and Slaf's IQ is not much behind Suzuki's.

 

[Mrb1p]

Very good point.
Not enough homework done regarding Slaf's IQ by the experts.


I watch games and Slaf's IQ is not much behind Suzuki's.

That is certainly a take of all time

 

[Jaaanosik]

That is certainly a take of all time

That's what I said, it is hard to setup a measurement of IQ.
For example, is passing one of measurements? I'd guess you would agree and yes would be your answer.
Is Suzuki A grade passer?

 

[Mrb1p]

That's what I said, it is hard to setup a measurement of IQ.
For example, is passing one of measurements? I'd guess you would agree and yes would be your answer.
Is Suzuki A grade passer?

Yes he is, and Slaf is also one, but no it is not. You can be a great passer and have relatively low IQ, like Drouin, Hall, Bouchard or Slaf himself, and you can be an okay passer, but rarely a poor passer, and be a high IQ player. Weber was a good example of this, Plekanec too.

 

[Kojo]

114 pts

47 goals - 67 assists

Just noticed that's Mats Sundin's stats at 21 years old, well played.

I don't think he can do 114 points but he's going to surprise us.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Just noticed that's Mats Sundin's stats at 21 years old, well played.

I don't think he can do 114 points but he's going to surprise us.

I'd rather have a 72 pts player with a Stanley Cup than a 114 pts player with no Cup.

 

[LesHabitants]

I'd rather have a 72 pts player with a Stanley Cup than a 114 pts player with no Cup.

It depends which team he won the Cup with I guess.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

It depends which team he won the Cup with I guess.

Why are we obsessed with 144 pts players and not obsessed with well balanced team? Why nobody here except very few want a C defensive specialist to shut down 100 pts players? And why many posters here think Dvo is that shut down specialist when his only speciality is winning face offs?

 

[Captain Mountain]

Suzuki is not going to be the highest earning player on the team forever. If Slaf starts producing close to Suzukis pace he’s not going to get less money because: 1) Nick signed his contract at the dead cap “era” 2) Players salaries are going to grow rapidly with the rising cap 3) First overal pedigree. That’s why 8/8 would be a bargain. Lucas Raymond for example is going to get close to 9 this offseason. If people expect a Boldy type of contract they are going to be disappointed.

Of course Suzuki isn't going to be the highest earning player on the team. He technically isn't now (Price is).

The point is that you Slaf will actually need to produce like Suzuki and likely impact the team more to actually get 8 by 8 or more. You're proposing Slaf get paid more now, not if he starts producing close to Suzukis pace.

Nick didn't sign his contract that long ago and by % of cap you're projecting raises for Slaf (and Raymond for that matter) that exceeds growth even in the non flat cap era.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

It depends which team he won the Cup with I guess.

I mean having 70 pts Habs players winning the Cup. I prefer that to having a 114 ts player without winning a Cup. This is a team sport, don't forget, we are not the Maple Leafs you know ...

 

[Sunfyre]

Of course Suzuki isn't going to be the highest earning player on the team. He technically isn't now (Price is).

The point is that you Slaf will actually need to produce like Suzuki and likely impact the team more to actually get 8 by 8 or more. You're proposing Slaf get paid more now, not if he starts producing close to Suzukis pace.

Nick didn't sign his contract that long ago and by % of cap you're projecting raises for Slaf (and Raymond for that matter) that exceeds growth even in the non flat cap era

Of course Suzuki isn't going to be the highest earning player on the team. He technically isn't now (Price is).

The point is that you Slaf will actually need to produce like Suzuki and likely impact the team more to actually get 8 by 8 or more. You're proposing Slaf get paid more now, not if he starts producing close to Suzukis pace.

Nick didn't sign his contract that long ago and by % of cap you're projecting raises for Slaf (and Raymond for that matter) that exceeds growth even in the non flat cap era.

It’s about future projection same as was done with Suzukis and Cole’s contract. If you want a potential bargain contract you must show some faith in the player. Slafs new contract going to start 3 years after Suzukis and he will be a year younger at that stage which is not insignificant. Just saying that in case he’s going to take another step in his development or even produce slightly more then the rate of the last 3 months he’s getting more then 8/8.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Slaf thread is on page 2 what happened

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

 

[waitin425]

Thoughts on an off-season extension that kicks in next summer.

I would love for him to come in at 8 x 7.85.

 

[1909]

Just noticed that's Mats Sundin's stats at 21 years old, well played.

I don't think he can do 114 points but he's going to surprise us.

You are not talking about the same era of hockey….

 

[Canadienna]

So our first overall pick is having medical procedures done then rushing off to play an international tournament?

Seems like a bad idea.

 

[Redux91]

So our first overall pick is having medical procedures done then rushing off to play an international tournament?

Seems like a bad idea.

They can rebuild him baby

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

So our first overall pick is having medical procedures done then rushing off to play an international tournament?

Seems like a bad idea.

He was playing with an injury towards the end of the season, so its likely related to that. Could be just the habs medical team doing a check up to see where his recovery is at and if he's healthy to play at worlds.

 

[KevSkillz4]

I agree with Suzuki.

90-100 pts potential for sure.

 

[Habssince89]

None of our top line guys possess bonafide elite potential, but the overlap of them getting to play and grow together gives them their best chance at become PPG+ players. I keep watching JT Miller and I wonder if Slaf can get to that level.

 

[nhlfan9191]

He was playing with an injury towards the end of the season, so its likely related to that. Could be just the habs medical team doing a check up to see where his recovery is at and if he's healthy to play at worlds.

Pretty sure this is standard for any team sending players over to that tournament. We’re only hearing about it because it’s Montreal and everything needs to be a story.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Final update:

From October 2022 to November 13 2023
12 points in 54 games = pace of 18 points per 82 games

From November 14 2023 to January 15 2024
13 points in 27 games = pace of 40 points per 82 games

From January 16 2024 to March 8 2024
16 points in 21 games = pace of 62 points per 82 games

From March 9 2024 to April 16 2024
19 points in 19 games = pace of 82 points per 82 games

None of our top line guys possess bonafide elite potential, but the overlap of them getting to play and grow together gives them their best chance at become PPG+ players. I keep watching JT Miller and I wonder if Slaf can get to that level.

To put that second half performance in context for Suzuki and Slafkovsky,

IF THEY WERE TO MAINTAIN THAT PACE IN THEIR CAREERS,

Suzuki would have the HIGHEST ppg in the last 30 years on this team, and Slafkovsky would be 4th.

1. Suzuki 1.10
2. Recchi 0.91
3. Damphousse 0.89
4. Slafkovsky 0.88
5. Kovalev 0.84
6. Koivu 0.81

would be the only players over 0.77 ppg from 1995 to 2024 (120 GP or more)

Will they be able to do this consistently and not just for 40 games? I think the chances are good.