The San Jose Sharks are horror-bad

[gach]

They might be really bad but wait until they play yhe Flames and then we'll see who is really bad

 

[Craft Beer Lover]

Celebrini will look great in teal.

He and Will Smith will make one of the best one-two center punches in many years. Both are absolute studs.

 

[iCanada]

It's why I didn't understand Grier not wanting to retain any salary on Karlsson.

I understand that he achieved his goal but why not retain the max and stock up on as many draft picks/prospects/players as possible?

Likely was mandated by the guy signing the checks.

 

[Mattb124]

It's why I didn't understand Grier not wanting to retain any salary on Karlsson.

I understand that he achieved his goal but why not retain the max and stock up on as many draft picks/prospects/players as possible?

Because it isn’t a video game?

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Because it isn’t a video game?

Hey thanks for weighing in with a stupid answer after people actually replied in earnest.

I know it's not a videogame. And I figured it was the owner keeping the wallet closed on this one. I doesn't change that with some retention they might've sweetened the return from one of their biggest assets and jumpstarted a rebuild.

Yzerman bought out Abdelkader so was paying him to not play for the rebuilding Wings and retained on Vrana. Things happen.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

I think anyone could've taken a look at that roster going into the season and knew they were going to be in for a historically bad year. They were terrible last year too but Karlsson was able to steal a couple wins for them throughout the year.

 

[Tw1ster]

“The night is always darkest before the dawn”- Harvey Batman

As historically bad as they might be this season, the prospect pool is starting to look pretty decent for the first time in years. Getting the first overall pick in 2024 would do wonders as well. This season might be nauseating to watch, but it’s tough not to be excited about some of the talent in the pipeline

 

[Mattb124]

Hey thanks for weighing in with a stupid answer after people actually replied in earnest.

I know it's not a videogame. And I figured it was the owner keeping the wallet closed on this one. I doesn't change that with some retention they might've sweetened the return from one of their biggest assets and jumpstarted a rebuild.

Yzerman bought out Abdelkader so was paying him to not play for the rebuilding Wings and retained on Vrana. Things happen.

Do you not know there was “some retention” on this deal? From the very beginning of the EK65 trade rumors (2/23) there was mention of a maximum of 18% retention (actual was ~13%).

Retaining the max (~$23M) would have represented ~1/2 of Abdelkader and Vrana’s combined career earnings. You can’t understand why an owner wouldn’t whip open up their check book to pay a player that much not to play for the team?

There was also almost no competition due to league-wide cap constraints for teams that would benefit from adding Karlsson, so it was a “take what you can get” scenario.

 

[SimpleJack]

Picture the Chicago Blackhawks only minus Bedard.

That’s the Sharks.

 

[Monsieur Miz]

Trade Hertl, Couture and Vlasic. You're not going to build around these guys for the future.

Only reason Vlasic is still in the league is because he plays for San Jose.

He's Karl Alzner bad.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Do you not know there was “some retention” on this deal? From the very beginning of the EK65 trade rumors (2/23) there was mention of a maximum of 18% retention (actual was ~13%).

Retaining the max (~$23M) would have represented ~1/2 of Abdelkader and Vrana’s combined career earnings. You can’t understand why an owner wouldn’t whip open up their check book to pay a player that much not to play for the team?

There was also almost no competition due to league-wide cap constraints for teams that would benefit from adding Karlsson, so it was a “take what you can get” scenario.

See, was that so hard? lol

Yes I knew there was some retention. I didn't follow the Karlsson rumors that closely so hadn't heard the max 18% retention. And I didn't mean it to sound like "max retention or bust." Just that I was surprised there wasn't more retention and hopefully a better return.

For the record it wasn't meant as a shot at the Sharks. I wondered if it was ownership not paying out and the fans ultimately suffering for it.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Bettman wanted a 32 team league so... here you go

There will be 1 to 2 teams every year that are this bad moving forward

 

[Monsieur Miz]

Bettman wanted a 32 team league so... here you go

There will be 1 to 2 teams every year that are this bad moving forward

I think teams just realized that hard tanking is worth it again.

 

[VaporTrail]

I'd love to see relegation in the NHL

 

[SlimCharles]

I figured Vlasic retired by now. How in the hell is he still in the NHL? Good lordie

 

[serp]

I figured Vlasic retired by now. How in the hell is he still in the NHL? Good lordie

He still makes alot of money this year , next and the season after that. Hell he isn't even THAT old. His play just completely fell off the face off the earth for some reason

 

[ijuka]

David Quinn is a real problem...
He is probably the worst coach in NHL history at developing talent.
Nobody progressed from his first year to his second year under his tutelage.

Mike Grier probably hired him... because he wants to get low picks for the foreseeable future. But he is a cancer around young NHL talent. This isn't college hockey. He is out of his depth.

People are going to say... "Look at the roster... what do you expect?".... Lame excuse.... These are still NHLers... The NHL is a game of parity... People can't and don't play for him.

Keep Eklund, Bordeleau & Will Smith as far away form Quinn as possible.

Nah, that roster is trash. There's nothing there.

I'm not saying the coach is great or anything, but it's obvious that the main issue with the team is the roster itself.

Without exaggeration, this might be the worst roster of the 2000s. Currently, the only truly legitimate player is Hertl, and even he is really not that great. If they were healthy, the situation would be a bit better. But they aren't.

This team might have single-digit wins this season.

 

[Groo]

It's why I didn't understand Grier not wanting to retain any salary on Karlsson.

I understand that he achieved his goal but why not retain the max and stock up on as many draft picks/prospects/players as possible?

Ir wasn't Griers call on retention. That's on ownership

 

[stator]

Sharks are obviously rebuilding and have a high amount in various forms of dead cap space, plus a couple of players who are almost dead cap space like Vlasic.

However, almost all of this comes off the books when McDavid, and Eichel are eligible for UFA.

So I expect the Sharks to have quality draft picks and rebuild, then sign one of those.

 

[GMR]

At least the 1992 Sharks had a ton of fighters.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Picture the Chicago Blackhawks only minus Bedard.

That’s the Sharks.

We have our own Vlasic too.

(M.E.'s cousin)

 

[Mrb1p]

Are they going to trade poor Hertl? He deserves a team somewhere.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Are they going to trade poor Hertl? He deserves a team somewhere.

I'd be willing to take Halak + Ryder + 2nd

no retention though

 

[Stealth JD]

At least they got their Cup…makes all of this suffering somewhat tolerable.

Spoiler

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Are they going to trade poor Hertl? He deserves a team somewhere.

When he's ready to go. He probably wanted to stick around for family stability. At least for a time. I think the team would prefer him being dealt after the Burns retention ends.