The San Jose Sharks are horror-bad
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Vlasic's trade value is negative. He's better off being sent to Robidas island.
Poppy Whoa Sonnet
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I wonder what packages and players were really available to them as they unloaded whatever they could, they seem to be trying to find gems among marginal NHL talent v. trading for true futures. Like trading Lorentz and a 5th for Duclair, why? Why are you not doing a full rebuild?
Tbf the only other trade like that that leaps out is Leonard and a 3rd for Luke Kunin. Still they have a long road ahead of them for sure.
Tbf the only other trade like that that leaps out is Leonard and a 3rd for Luke Kunin. Still they have a long road ahead of them for sure.
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Yes but those are both examples of MLB. I'm assuming you're a fan of the team so are more familiar of the circumstances than I am, but do you really think the Sharks will be so good in 4 years that $6 million in cap space will matter? Especially with the cap going up?
I can understand an owner not wanting to shell out money for a guy to play somewhere else but it's the cost of doing business if you want to acquire more assets in return.
I wonder what packages and players were really available to them as they unloaded whatever they could, they seem to be trying to find gems among marginal NHL talent v. trading for true futures. Like trading Lorentz and a 5th for Duclair, why? Why are you not doing a full rebuild?
Tbf the only other trade like that that leaps out is Leonard and a 3rd for Luke Kunin. Still they have a long road ahead of them for sure.
I think the idea was to get a better-than-5th rounder back for Duclair at the deadline. Lorentz is a fringe player with no value.
Kunin for Leonard was a terrible trade though.
4 years ago the Sharks were a Final 4 team. So yes.
I don't know of a single team that's been considered a "contender" that had more than 6 Million in dead cap space preventing them from filling out their roster.
Poppy Whoa Sonnet
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The Canadiens are doing similar stuff too, mixed results so far I'd say. Maybe they don't have the ownership support to go full Arizona/Chicago.
Edit: Well both organizations also have albatross contracts nearly capping them out as well, likely a major factor.
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Eternal Leaf
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Getting one of Celebrini, Eiserman, or Demidov will be a good boost for their rebuild. There's going to be a lot of pain to get there though because this team is awful.
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Hertl doesn't have much value due to his contract - same with Couture.
Vlasic is not an NHL player. He hasn't been for years. He might not be an AHL player anymore, because he can't skate, has zero offensive ability, and isn't physical - he's a pure defensive defenseman who is total garbage defensively. He's being paid $7 million for this season and two more, and has an NTC. He is likely the single least-valuable asset in the NHL - we'd probably have to send multiple 1sts with him to have anyone take him off our hands. Odds are we bite the bullet and buy him out in the off-season, because he is now so bad that he doesn't even deserve to be someone's #8D for a playoff run and the contract slot and playing time is probably more valuable to us than the cap penalty.
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Yea this team has no puck movers on the back end. Basically the only breakout option is chuck it off the boards and hope for the best. Ty Emberson, picked up off waivers, is arguably our best all-around defenseman right now.
Quinn gets too much flack imo. His system last year did get Karlsson the Norris and had the team playing league average hockey before the trade deadline even if they weren't actually winning games.
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Suntouchable13
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Hahaha no it isn’t. This is EXACTLY what we wanted. It’s baffling to me that people can be fans of the NHL and not realize the sharks are rebuilding and are intentionally tanking.
The team is performing exactly how I imagined. I also still predict there will be an uptick in our offense giving us a few assets to trade at the TDL.
It’s all part of the plan. No one is playing to win right now. I wouldn’t be surprised if the game plan is individual accolades. Make high-risk, high-reward play. If you get points, raise your value — cool. If you fail and they score, great for the tank.
That all said, I also fully expect CHI to crap the bed again and somehow end up with 1OA. We’ll probably get 2OA (which in this draft probably wont be horrible — there’s no absolute clear #1 like with Bedard)
Barring some lottery luck, I can see them being in the same situation the Wings were in circa 2017.
Aging top players with poor contracts, no real good prospects (outside of Smith, who hopefully for them isn’t their Zadina) and mediocre prospect depth.
If they don’t win some lotteries you’re looking at close to a decade IMO
The league needs Bedard to get a strong team right away so no way are the Hawks not picking 1rst again.
Hopefully the Sharks can at least fall to 2nd. Just gotta hope Pittsburgh doesn’t fall off a cliff otherwise they’re getting the 2nd overall if not 1rst
Hopefully the Sharks can at least fall to 2nd. Just gotta hope Pittsburgh doesn’t fall off a cliff otherwise they’re getting the 2nd overall if not 1rst
Boy Hedican
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Uncle Scrooge
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San Jose was the one team coming into the season you knew were going to be terrible no matter what.
Just not much to be excited about over there. They're kind of in that same spot I felt Detroit was 4 years ago, Arizona 2 years ago and Chicago last year. No future cornerstones like Bedard in the lineup, vets are tired of losing, offense lacks difference makers and defense is weak.
Like, there are seasons where even the bad teams can overachieve, but it always starts with a great underdog mindset. I feel like the Sharks already went through that phase 2 years ago.
With EK, the Sharks were actually creating surprising amount of chances last year offensively, but still couldn't finish enough. Without EK they're not even creating some of those chances.
It doesn't help that there's no other real pushovers that are there to just tank this year it seems like, leaving SJ as the one team that stands out and everyone knows it would be embarrassing to lose to that team.
Just not much to be excited about over there. They're kind of in that same spot I felt Detroit was 4 years ago, Arizona 2 years ago and Chicago last year. No future cornerstones like Bedard in the lineup, vets are tired of losing, offense lacks difference makers and defense is weak.
Like, there are seasons where even the bad teams can overachieve, but it always starts with a great underdog mindset. I feel like the Sharks already went through that phase 2 years ago.
With EK, the Sharks were actually creating surprising amount of chances last year offensively, but still couldn't finish enough. Without EK they're not even creating some of those chances.
It doesn't help that there's no other real pushovers that are there to just tank this year it seems like, leaving SJ as the one team that stands out and everyone knows it would be embarrassing to lose to that team.
Just wait until bubble teams continuously jump ahead of you in the draft, that’s the worst part
Some Other Flame
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The Sharks are going to be bad this year, but will no doubt improve as the season goes on. They are integrating a lot of new players and have key injuries. Once the new players get more familiar with the system and Couture/Granlund/Barabanov (basically a second line) get back, they should gain momentum. They will be big sellers at the TDL which will start the process again, but that should allow some of our more developed prospects to come up from the Barracuda (e.g. Muk, Thrun. Gushchin).
