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The San Jose Sharks are horror-bad

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stator said:
I don't think they are tanking, but started off the season that bad. They should improve some but still hang in the bottom portion of the league.

Now tanking as an art form goes to Chicago. That's a higher revenue club with nearly $13M in free cap space, leading the league in that department. Even the perennial low revenue club, AZ, has only 25% of that in free cap space.
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The Sharks are absolutely tanking, the only reason they don't have a heap of cap space themselves is due to the fallout of the long term deals the Doug Wilson and interim Joe Will regimes stuck the team with that Mike Grier is attempting to navigate

Vlasic makes $7M through 2026
Couture makes $8M through 2027
Hertl makes $8.1375M through 2030

They're retaining $2.72M on Burns through 2025
They're retaining $1.5M on Karlsson through 2027

They have a buyout penalty on Jones with a minimum cap hit of $1.666M through 2027 ($2.926M this season)

That's over $7M in dead cap (Vlasic is a healthy scratch even when we ice 7D and have injuries on the blue line, so realistically $14M in dead cap) and over $22M in bad deals for aging vets inherited by the last regime (or over $16M once again depending on how you count Vlasic)

Meanwhile they traded their two biggest impact players in Karlsson and Meier for draft picks, prospects and short term cap dumps

This is a pretty classic tank, I don't know how anyone can argue to the contrary, it's just a very slow burn because of the unenviable position Mike Grier inherited at the onset of his tenure
 
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weastern bias said:
The Sharks are absolutely tanking, the only reason they don't have a heap of cap space themselves is due to the fallout of the long term deals the Doug Wilson and interim Joe Will regimes stuck the team with that Mike Grier is attempting to navigate
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You said it yourself... the reason why they are so bad is rebuilding due to bad contracts eating too much of their cap space. It's not a true tank.

DW leveraged the future for a cup win that didn't work out. He was fast and loose with cap money and draft picks in the latter part of his tenure. The piper has come to play.

You're going to get disappointed when the Sharks are out-tanked by the true tankers again this season and fall down to 4th or 5th pick.
 
stator said:
You said it yourself... the reason why they are so bad is rebuilding due to bad contracts eating too much of their cap space. It's not a true tank.

DW leveraged the future for a cup win that didn't work out. He was fast and loose with cap money and draft picks in the latter part of his tenure. The piper has come to play.

You're going to get disappointed when the Sharks are out-tanked by the true tankers again this season and fall down to 4th or 5th pick.
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It's a true tank when you trade away Brent Burns, Timo Meier and Erik Karlsson in the span of 12 months and replace them with Matt Benning, Anthony Duclair and Jan Rutta

Logan Couture has also conspicuously not played a single game this season when he was deemed "questionable" to play on opening night

Our top D pair features a 4 year vet who has never played a playoff game and a rookie who we claimed off waivers during training camp

Our 2nd line center is Mikael Granlund

Our leading goal scorer is Mike Hoffman

This is the definition of a tank squad, I don't know what you're even getting at, they were a bad team last year without trying to be and they lost their first 5 games, they then began tearing down the roster for the true rebuild and this year they lost their first 11, it's a tank job through and through

Just because other teams are also bad (multiple teams are bad every year) doesn't mean the Sharks aren't tanking

When you tie the all time record for consecutive losses to start a season and don't fire the head coach the direction of the organization is pretty clear
 
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weastern bias said:
It's a true tank when you trade away Brent Burns, Timo Meier and Erik Karlsson in the span of 12 months and replace them with Matt Benning, Anthony Duclair and Jan Rutta

Logan Couture has also conspicuously not played a single game this season when he was deemed "questionable" to play on opening night

Our top D pair features a 4 year vet who has never played a playoff game and a rookie who we claimed off waivers during training camp

Our 2nd line center is Mikael Granlund

Our leading goal scorer is Mike Hoffman

This is the definition of a tank squad, I don't know what you're even getting at, they were a bad team last year without trying to be and they lost their first 5 games, they then began tearing down the roster for the true rebuild and this year they lost their first 11, it's a tank job through and through

Just because other teams are also bad (multiple teams are bad every year) doesn't mean the Sharks aren't tanking

When you tie the all time record for consecutive losses to start a season and don't fire the head coach the direction of the organization is pretty clear
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He's right though to a point... If we were following the Blackhawks plan, we might not have even signed Duclair.
 
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spintheblackcircle said:
54



Nice coast-to-coaster. (ole defense in full effect as well)
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I like Hronek but you're gonna get those from him from time to time.

Honestly I've watched a few of the games and it's hard not to root for the Sharks because you can feel the team and fans want the win so badly, it feels like a playoff game.
 
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coooldude said:
He's right though to a point... If we were following the Blackhawks plan, we might not have even signed Duclair.
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Even tank teams should be looking to maximize assets with an eye toward the future, the whole point is to eventually be good at the end of the tank and you need to massage value out of depreciated assets where you can

We traded a 4th liner and a 5th round pick for Duclair, a player with top-6 upside on a team that needed to shed cap, and I assume the plan was always to flip him at the deadline for a higher pick

The Duclair acquisition was an asset play, it certainly wasn't to maximize our ability to win, just look at the results on the ice

Unfortunately, his results have been SO poor that he might not return anything of value anyway, but that trade still made perfect sense in a tank context
 
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If the Sharks finish with more than 25 wins, Blackwood should win the Hart trophy.

Not even kidding. He was great again tonight. The one goal that went in was a f***ing own goal after Blackwood had just made a nice stop.
 
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Meh, they will start trading players after Christmas and slip back down.

They are finally playing with some intent though which is good. Might save Quinn's career
 
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ucanthanzalthetruth said:
5-5-1 in their past 11. We're about 2 wins from a quietly roaring back thread and 5 from burning down villages.
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The Sharks have 12 games before xmas, 9 of which are on the road where they have 0 wins. They play: Boston, Devils, NYR, NYI, DET, Vegas on the road, home game against WPG, back on the road against ARI and COL, then back home for LA and ARI, and then back on the road against VAN.

I'll be shocked if they get 2 ROW in that stretch. Legit chance they go 0-6 and score 6 goals total on that first road trip against those good teams.
 
Hockey continues to surprise... only 18 shots tonight including the EN goal in a 6-3 win.

Sharks on pace for 20-21 wins.

The stretch thru Christmas still looks brutal, but we'll be no worse than 1-5 with 7 goals for on the road trip. Huzzah.

Meanwhile, the Ducks have lost 8 straight, Wild only 4 points ahead, and the Hawks are tied with the Sharks (3 games in hand).

Could turn into a close tank race again this year.
 
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coooldude said:
Hockey continues to surprise... only 18 shots tonight including the EN goal in a 6-3 win.

Sharks on pace for 20-21 wins.

The stretch thru Christmas still looks brutal, but we'll be no worse than 1-5 with 7 goals for on the road trip. Huzzah.

Meanwhile, the Ducks have lost 8 straight, Wild only 4 points ahead, and the Hawks are tied with the Sharks (3 games in hand).

Could turn into a close tank race again this year.
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To be fair, it was the Devils who have zero goaltending.
 
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