Clifton PKs, Joker doesnt, right now they only have 3 D they really trust on the PK, Clifton, Dahlin, Sammy.
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Doug Prishpreed
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With almost every top team looking for defensemen, I think we can count out Buffalo on either of them. Dallas, Toronto, Vancouver, Carolina, and a shit load more teams are far more desperate than Buffalo so I've stopped even hoping for one of those two.
Fjordy
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I'm not saying trade him for nothing or for pennies, I just think Adams would trade Joki rather than Clifton. It would also be a hell of a defense when our third pair defensemen are making 4+ million, and you'd have to pay another 6 million to Roy or DeMelo. Also, like I said, I think we need more physical players, not less.
The same could be said about Mitts, when we developed him for years and then just traded him. This is the NHL, this is business
So it would be nice to free Dahlin from PK, so that there would be PK1 Roy/DeMelo, PK2 Clifton. Although Dahlin would still probably be on PK even in this situation.
I have come to realize I no longer know who half the players are anymore. I can only say I want a player like "Blank". Sabre's have killed my interest in following the league.
The #1 pick but I would add to it as well, if that's what it takes. The 1/2 of Thompson/Cozens doesn't work because both guys are terrible in dot.
Honestly, I do not care about the world's championships. Performance there doesn't translate into the NHL. Cozens is well under 50% at faceoffs and Thompson is even worse. You cannot have centres that are this bad at faceoffs. You can but they better be pretty good at everything else.
That still only leaves you with 3 PK Defensemen if Clifton is shipped out and 1 of Roy/Demelo is brought in.
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Happy hour already?
Not trading cozens
pure fantasy where Toronto wants size and a C with JY done.
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Ooh it’s the faceoff talk part of the off-season! Let’s do some math! Everyone loves math!
Cozens was atrocious at faceoffs winning a career low 45.5 percent last year. Face off fan Hogtown has chosen Robert Thomas as his face off crush of the day. And no wonder…Thomas won a career best 53.1 percent last year!
Think of all those faceoff wins. That’s nearly 8 more wins per 100 faceoffs! Why that’s…like two extra wins per game. Of course almost all faceoff wins don’t lead to goals…mostly they just lead to possession turnovers or a stoppage of play that results in another faceoff. Like…98 percent have zero bearing on an actual scoring play and simply kick off the natural back and forth flow of gameplay that leads to most goals. But hey…imagine how many times those two extra wins result in one of those less than 2 percent of results! Statistically…it’s a complete random fluke but hey…you are almost 8% more likely to fluke into it when it happens! Of course this doesn’t get into any of the nuance of the faceoff. The responsibilities of the wingers who, on well coached teams, battle for those pucks. Resulting in more “wins” credited to the center who never actually “won” possession on the drop. But hey…guys got numbers! And they say…profoundly…faceoffs overwhelmingly do not matter. One plane crashing doesn’t make all air travel dangerous. Getting scored on off the draw doesn’t make all faceoffs important.
Coach the team what to do on faceoffs and you’ll raise all centers %. And nothing will change that actually f***ing matters.
Cozens was atrocious at faceoffs winning a career low 45.5 percent last year. Face off fan Hogtown has chosen Robert Thomas as his face off crush of the day. And no wonder…Thomas won a career best 53.1 percent last year!
Think of all those faceoff wins. That’s nearly 8 more wins per 100 faceoffs! Why that’s…like two extra wins per game. Of course almost all faceoff wins don’t lead to goals…mostly they just lead to possession turnovers or a stoppage of play that results in another faceoff. Like…98 percent have zero bearing on an actual scoring play and simply kick off the natural back and forth flow of gameplay that leads to most goals. But hey…imagine how many times those two extra wins result in one of those less than 2 percent of results! Statistically…it’s a complete random fluke but hey…you are almost 8% more likely to fluke into it when it happens! Of course this doesn’t get into any of the nuance of the faceoff. The responsibilities of the wingers who, on well coached teams, battle for those pucks. Resulting in more “wins” credited to the center who never actually “won” possession on the drop. But hey…guys got numbers! And they say…profoundly…faceoffs overwhelmingly do not matter. One plane crashing doesn’t make all air travel dangerous. Getting scored on off the draw doesn’t make all faceoffs important.
Coach the team what to do on faceoffs and you’ll raise all centers %. And nothing will change that actually f***ing matters.
What Tage and Cozens are is most likely in between this year and last year performances. Moving either of them after a down year is crazy talk.
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So? That's the same number we had last year according to you.
Also, it seems like you're just kinda making stuff up regarding who was trusted on the pk. Ice time says that OP is the 4th most trusted PK D on the team and that Dahlin is trusted with 16 seconds of PK more per game than Joki. Granted, they may be trying to not waste Dahlins energy on the PK, and he's basically average at it anyway.
OP, EJ, Clifton all terrible on the PK according to SHD/60 and were 3 of our top 4 in PK TOI per game.
Joki better at 5v5 and PK than Clifton.
I missed this article talking to current and former players who signed big deals and then had issues living up to the deal. Skinner is quoted in the article. Other players quoted are Nurse, Gomez, Holik, Mike Reilly, and Vlasic.
They didn't start using Jokiharju on the PK until later in the season which is why he's sixth on the entire team among defensemen playing shorthanded last year. Their PK got better because of goaltending and not having Jokiharju drifting around out of position. Johnson, Samuelsson and Clifton got the bulk of the SH minutes and then Sammy got hurt and EJ got traded. They do not trust Joker on the PK.
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I hate how the media keeps linking us with Necas, I think if/when Adams makes a move for a center its going to be a solid hockey trade for someone none of us thought was available and the pieces going the other way will probably hurt.
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Sabre the Win
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Articles, they mainly do it because we have loads of prospects, the media believes our first round pick is available and they believe Necas is the odd man out in Carolina
However I have never heard Jack Roslovic mentioned. If the Rangers don't re-sign him he could be the perfect 3C without giving up anything.
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Is anyone legitimate actually linking us to Necas, or is it more "Buffalo's 1st round pick is available and Necas is available....therefore done deal"???
Well power got a deal based solely on being drafted 1OVR so I’d guess Byram will get an undeserving bag as well
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hit that 5-6 years agoI have come to realize I no longer know who half the players are anymore. I can only say I want a player like "Blank". Sabre's have killed my interest in following the league.
i know what player i want when chainshot tells me
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Friedman actually specifically said Necas to the Sabres isn’t a match based on what Carolina is looking for
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I mean isn't that what all 'NHL Insiders' do? Link anyone available to a team who can afford them to drum up notoriety and clicks.
Necas makes no sense for us. He isn't the type of player we need. It makes no sense for Carolina. We can't give them what they want. It also makes no sense for the player. The main reason he wants out of Carolina is he wants an increased role / responsibility.... which we can't give him.
I'm sick of seeing people talk about prototypical 'top 6' or 'skill' players. This isn't what we need. Short of a fantasy land trade for Tkachuk - i have no interest in changing the top of the lineup.
I'm sick of seeing people talk about prototypical 'top 6' or 'skill' players. This isn't what we need. Short of a fantasy land trade for Tkachuk - i have no interest in changing the top of the lineup.
Fjordy
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Well, it looks like Adams is interested. I don't mean Necas, but the top 6 forward.
You can take out "Necas" and fill in "Byram" a couple months ago and your post would be just as logical. The only thing that would be different is that Colorado got what they needed, while Carolina would likely not get what they need in a Necas deal.
FWIW, it was posted here a while back that Buffalo's scouting dept wanted Necas in that draft, not Mittelstadt. IMO that was a lucky miss, that's now neither here nor there. The team needs more Sam Bennett and less Necas, but I'm not so sure they actually realize this.
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