The Roster Thread, Summer 2024

[Doug Prishpreed]

In his defense *badumtisch*, the Jets just got schooled because they didn't have the ability to break the puck out of their zone. To a degree, the Leafs have the same issue TBH. They don't move the puck well from the back end and it kills them when their best forwards aren't on the ice. (In the Jets' case, it was when everyone but Morrissey was on the ice, but eh.) So in that regard, I get it. Having three guys who can push the play at a high level should make a matchup issue. But then there is the part about not being dingi* in their own zone or PKing that one has to look into.

The Rangers had the same issue in the series that knocked them out. Building from the back end is something I've supported for along time and can see a way that it works if he does the rest right. It could work extremely well if he doesn't f*** this up like he probably will.

 

[Chainshot]

The Rangers had the same issue in the series that knocked them out. Building from the back end is something I've supported for along time and can see a way that it works if he does the rest right. It could work extremely well if he doesn't f*** this up like he probably will.

Yeah, once Fox got dinged up, it was harder for the Rangers to do things. Granted, I saw some of the same things with the Rangers blueline that looked like Arizona and Nashville and yes Buffalo when Phil was around. They got very little out of Miller and Schneider. Dahlin, Power, Byram gives Buffalo the option to shift someone up the lineup if someone gets taken out or dinged, etc.... It's finding complimentary guys to allow those guys to gallop and handle the trench work, digging ditches in front of the net and such that they need. That isn't Jokiharju as we know. It would be cool if they notice and make that adjustment too.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Yeah, once Fox got dinged up, it was harder for the Rangers to do things. Granted, I saw some of the same things with the Rangers blueline that looked like Arizona and Nashville and yes Buffalo when Phil was around. They got very little out of Miller and Schneider. Dahlin, Power, Byram gives Buffalo the option to shift someone up the lineup if someone gets taken out or dinged, etc.... It's finding complimentary guys to allow those guys to gallop and handle the trench work, digging ditches in front of the net and such that they need. That isn't Jokiharju as we know. It would be cool if they notice and make that adjustment too.

Eventually, yes, but I think Joki would be okay for one more season if we can do a good job with the forward group. We're not winning a cup with those 6 but I think we can get to the playoffs.

Looking further ahead, with Dahin, Power, Byram, and Sammy, plus two good, tough defensive guys, that's got the makings of one of the better defenses in the league in like 2 years. If things trend like they should, we should have an excellent defense this year and beyond. But again, it's all wasted when your forwards stink in their own end so that needs to be addressed first imo.

 

[Weltschmerz]

The Byram trade is the poster child for the idea Adams has no clue how to construct a roster. If you can see why he is in no way a fit for this roster how didn't Kevyn see it?

Edit: Meant Byram and not Makar.

Maybe he wanted to take some pressure from Power? He is good when he is not challanged but under pressure he reminds me of Tyler Myers at times.

 

[Dingo44]

Eventually, yes, but I think Joki would be okay for one more season if we can do a good job with the forward group. We're not winning a cup with those 6 but I think we can get to the playoffs.

Looking further ahead, with Dahin, Power, Byram, and Sammy, plus two good, tough defensive guys, that's got the makings of one of the better defenses in the league in like 2 years. If things trend like they should, we should have an excellent defense this year and beyond. But again, it's all wasted when your forwards stink in their own end so that needs to be addressed first imo.

I think Clifton is a Ruff type of guy. RyJo can play anywhere. They could add one more tough veteran D while they wait for one or more of Komarov/Novikov/Strbak/McCarthy or someone they draft this year if a D falls to them at #11 and they like him more than any of the available forwards.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I think Clifton is a Ruff type of guy. RyJo can play anywhere. They could add one more tough veteran D while they wait for one or more of Komarov/Novikov/Strbak/McCarthy or someone they draft this year if a D falls to them at #11 and they like him more than any of the available forwards.

RyJo can't play anywhere (yet) and still needs development. Joki is currently twice as good as him, so I'm not moving him (yet) if RyJo is the replacement.

 

[Dingo44]

RyJo can't play anywhere (yet) and still needs development. Joki is currently twice as good as him, so I'm not moving him (yet) if RyJo is the replacement.

All players must remain in juniors or the minors until they are 25

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

All players must remain in juniors or the minors until they are 25

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All players must be rushed to the NHL because I'm impatient and can't wait until they are ready like the successful teams would do.

Did you watch RyJo in the playoffs? Are you saying he's currently a better NHL player than Joki? Why don't you argue the point I made instead of throw snarky bullshit on the screen? How old are you?

 

[elchud]

DeMelo is the guy that is the best fit for the group, would do 4 years × 5.5 million.

I've been big on getting DeMelo for the past 2 years. The problem with adding DeMelo is, I think you will be forced to choose between Byram&Power in 25/26. Byram will be looking at 6.5 per minimum on his next deal.

 

[MOGlLNY]

DeMelo is the guy that is the best fit for the group, would do 4 years × 5.5 million.

I've been big on getting DeMelo for the past 2 years. The problem with adding DeMelo is, I think you will be forced to choose between Byram&Power in 25/26. Byram will be looking at 6.5 per minimum on his next deal.

If Byram is looking for that much money we will most likely have the best defense in the league so I’m not worried about it.

As it stands now he hasn’t earned the right to even close to that money.

 

[Fjordy]

DeMelo is the guy that is the best fit for the group, would do 4 years × 5.5 million.

I've been big on getting DeMelo for the past 2 years. The problem with adding DeMelo is, I think you will be forced to choose between Byram&Power in 25/26. Byram will be looking at 6.5 per minimum on his next deal.

I'm not sure why we have to choose between them? We don't have an ideal cap situation, but it's solvable. If Skinner gets traded or bought out next year and Kulich/Savoie takes his place, it gives us flexibility in the cap, we can also save somewhere with other contracts, we have a lot of guys on the ELC, Clifton could be replaced by Komarov or Strback in two years, it's unknown if Samuelsson will be on the team, Johnson or Novikov could replace him in 1-2 seasons.

 

[Ace]

The Sabres are going to qualify Joki. That would be horrible asset management if they didn't.

Whenever you think something is too stupid to happen ask yourself two questions.

1. Will it cost money.
2. Does the player have arb rights meaning someone other than you can determine how much money he gets?

If you answered yes to either or both of these questions…there’s a decent chance something stupid is about to happen.

It’s hard to find rhd to play in this league. But a smart Gm will call this scrooge mcduck owned Mickey Mouse organization and offer a worthless mid round pick to take that money problem off their hands. It will be terrible asset management until you remember the only asset they care about is Terry’s bank account

 

[Dingo44]

Whenever you think something is too stupid to happen ask yourself two questions.

1. Will it cost money.
2. Does the player have arb rights meaning someone other than you can determine how much money he gets?

If you answered yes to either or both of these questions…there’s a decent chance something stupid is about to happen.

It’s hard to find rhd to play in this league. But a smart Gm will call this scrooge mcduck owned Mickey Mouse organization and offer a worthless mid round pick to take that money problem off their hands. It will be terrible asset management until you remember the only asset they care about is Terry’s bank account

Well I guess we'll find out when he's either qualified or not. If he's not I'll be the first to call it moronic.

 

[Fjordy]

Jokiharju has arbitration rights and is projected to ask for 4 million. Ok, maybe I'm undervaluing him and don't see anything special in him, but I'd just trade him. I don't think he's a good match for Power or Byram, and he's not a physical or consistent player (remember the last few seasons). Like I said before, we need a DeMelo/Roy type (not necessarily those) to pair with Power or Byram.

 

[Fezzy126]

I have no inside info or anything, but just a hunch that we're re-signing Bryson:

Byram-Dahlin
Samuelsson-Power
Johnson-Clifton
Bryson

While it's possible that they sign a vet instead of just handing Johnson that 3rd pair spot, I don't see any of those top 4 moving.

So I don't see where Joki fits in this lineup. At this point I'd take any trade return I could get.

Also, I get the concerns about Sammy's availability, but I seriously doubt they sign another top 4 level guy as strictly as injury insurance.

 

[Gras]

I have no inside info or anything, but just a hunch that we're re-signing Bryson:

Byram-Dahlin
Samuelsson-Power
Johnson-Clifton
Bryson

While it's possible that they sign a vet instead of just handing Johnson that 3rd pair spot, I don't see any of those top 4 moving.

So I don't see where Joki fits in this lineup. At this point I'd take any trade return I could get.

Also, I get the concerns about Sammy's availability, but I seriously doubt they sign another top 4 level guy as strictly as injury insurance.

Bryson is fine to resign as a tweener that can fill in as the 8/9

 

[Fezzy126]

Bryson is fine to resign as a tweener that can fill in as the 8/9

I think 8/9 is a little extreme, and there's probably some recency bias from how poor he was two years ago. Bryson's impacts last season, and actually every season except '22-23, are in line or even exceed your typical 6/7 defenseman in the league.

Because of our top 4 roster construction, we probably need our 3rd pairing guys to PK, so I'd prefer that he's our 7th dman rather than a regular.

I know he has his weaknesses, but a lot of that can mitigated with the right complimentary partner. He wants to be here, he's good for the room, and he's probably going to be cheap depth. I think he can be a good 6/7 rather than the guy they try to sneak through waivers.

 

[Matt Ress]

I'd like to see a solid defender in that spot. Maybe that's why JB is being perceived further down the lineup. Power has struggled on the PK, dahlin doesn't do it, Byram is ok and Sammy stubbed his toe while I'm writing this. Definitely need a brick wall or two to fill out the regulars.

 

[Fjordy]

I have no inside info or anything, but just a hunch that we're re-signing Bryson:

Byram-Dahlin
Samuelsson-Power
Johnson-Clifton
Bryson

While it's possible that they sign a vet instead of just handing Johnson that 3rd pair spot, I don't see any of those top 4 moving.

So I don't see where Joki fits in this lineup. At this point I'd take any trade return I could get.

Also, I get the concerns about Sammy's availability, but I seriously doubt they sign another top 4 level guy as strictly as injury insurance.

Well my only concern is Sammy's durability, if he gets hurt who will replace him with Power/Byram? Also our defense will immediately become softer, since neither Johnson nor Bryson are like Sammy. It makes sense to sign a guy like Ian Cole or Kulikov maybe. At least I would have preferred to get someone like Roy or DeMelo.

 

[Gras]

I'd like to see a solid defender in that spot. Maybe that's why JB is being perceived further down the lineup. Power has struggled on the PK, dahlin doesn't do it, Byram is ok and Sammy stubbed his toe while I'm writing this. Definitely need a brick wall or two to fill out the regulars.

I envision Joker out for a D that can play the PK and handle more defensive responsibilities

 

[Matt Ress]

I envision Joker out for a D that can play the PK and handle more defensive responsibilities

You can probably get a 1 for 1 if there's a team looking to get more mobile and happy to pay 4M. Joker has value

 

[Fjordy]

I wonder who they could get instead of Joker for the role of 4/5 defender, but a slightly different type.

Seattle has Larsson, Borgen and Oleksiak, and I don’t even mind if the guy is one year away from UFA, it will give us flexibility with the cap and we can then decide whether we need to sign him.

Hague from VGK?

Maybe Lindgren, Ferraro, Middleton or Bahl.

 

[Jacob582]

I wonder who they could get instead of Joker for the role of 4/5 defender, but a slightly different type.

Seattle has Larsson, Borgen and Oleksiak, and I don’t even mind if the guy is one year away from UFA, it will give us flexibility with the cap and we can then decide whether we need to sign him.

Hague from VGK?

Maybe Lindgren, Ferraro, Middleton or Bahl.

I think you are on to something with Seattle. I hadn't even thought of them.

Adams goes younger and more term so Borgen/Larsson would be a departure for him. But let's see.

It seems like Seattle wants to get back to scoring goals so they may be interested in something like this.

 

[Fjordy]

I think you are on to something with Seattle. I hadn't even thought of them.

Adams goes younger and more term so Borgen/Larsson would be a departure for him. But let's see.

It seems like Seattle wants to get back to scoring goals so they may be interested in something like this.

Well, we don't have many assets to score goals. Larsson and Borgen are in the same year from UFA, I don't know what you can come up with here. Krebs? Rosen? Maybe they would like Jokiharju.

Bahl played for Lindy in Jersey, he could pair with Clifton, and Sammy would play in the top 4 with Byram or Power. We would have four physical defenders in the lineup + Power and Byram.

 

[Jacob582]

Well, we don't have many assets to score goals. Larsson and Borgen are in the same year from UFA, I don't know what you can come up with here. Krebs? Rosen? Maybe they would like Jokiharju.

Bahl played for Lindy in Jersey, he could pair with Clifton, and Sammy would play in the top 4 with Byram or Power. We would have four physical defenders in the lineup + Power and Byram.

I was thinking Jokiharju. Yeah, he doesn't put up points, but he is a puck mover. Seattle may be willing to trade Larsson or Borgen if they are worried that they will walk in free agency.