The Roster Thread, Summer 2024

[Sabreality]

I like the Hakanpaa idea somebody brought up, big stay at home RD, could double his salary ($1.5m) short term. Ideal type to pair with Byram or Power and run Sammy-Clifton 3rd pair/PK.

 

[Fjordy]

I like the Hakanpaa idea somebody brought up, big stay at home RD, could double his salary ($1.5m) short term. Ideal type to pair with Byram or Power and run Sammy-Clifton 3rd pair/PK.

Yeap, his projected contract is not huge (1,5M x 1Y) and he is very physical.

 

[Sabresfansince1980]

I like the Hakanpaa idea somebody brought up, big stay at home RD, could double his salary ($1.5m) short term. Ideal type to pair with Byram or Power and run Sammy-Clifton 3rd pair/PK.

Just FYI though...he didn't play in the playoffs at all. Dallas fans weren't happy with him even before he got hurt.

 

[elchud]

Here is my offseason plan

Buyout Skinner

Krebs/Rousek/RyJo for TBL#1/Pageau/Cizikas

Joker/TBL#1 for Borgen/NYR#2, with Borgen signed 4x4 for next contract

Sign Dakota Joshua 4x4

Sign Kiefer Sherwood 3x2.5 (might be an overpay but I'm big on him as a breakout energy 3rd liner, if he isn't that already)

Bring back Jost as 13F...or another guy. Someone who can play 4C in a pinch. Kulich and either Savoie/Rosen will get games.

Savoie or Rosen as 3RW, keep Kulich down one more year

Bryson as 7D

UPL 4x4

Levi as backup but...split the season Rochester and Buffalo, 25 games each.


Joshua Thompson Tuch
Quinn Cozens Peterka
Benson Pageau Rosen/Savoie
Greenway Cizikas Sherwood
Jost (Kulich and Savoie/Rosen callups)

Byram Dahlin
Power Borgen
Sammy Clifton
Bryson (Novikov 1st callup)

UPL
XXX (A guy...would play 5 games unless injury)
Levi (23rd guy when called up)


Yakemchuk or Helenius with the 1st...


Edit to add, I think we will have to overpay on the contracts for the new guys. I'm good with it. Build the playoff roster, figure out the cap in the two big Skinner buyout years later.

I'd like Kulich as 1C in Rochester and see how that goes. Don't see him as a top-9 wing option this season.

I think Pageau bounces back. Only has 2 more years on the deal. Keep him at 15 mins a night, good center for a couple young wingers.

 

[Jim Bob]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799065053616132151

 

[Jacob582]

Here is my offseason plan

Buyout Skinner

Krebs/Rousek/RyJo for TBL#1/Pageau/Cizikas

Joker/TBL#1 for Borgen/NYR#2, with Borgen signed 4x4 for next contract

Sign Dakota Joshua 4x4

Sign Kiefer Sherwood 3x2.5 (might be an overpay but I'm big on him as a breakout energy 3rd liner, if he isn't that already)

Bring back Jost as 13F...or another guy. Someone who can play 4C in a pinch. Kulich and either Savoie/Rosen will get games.

Savoie or Rosen as 3RW, keep Kulich down one more year

Bryson as 7D

UPL 4x4

Levi as backup but...split the season Rochester and Buffalo, 25 games each.


Joshua Thompson Tuch
Quinn Cozens Peterka
Benson Pageau Rosen/Savoie
Greenway Cizikas Sherwood
Jost (Kulich and Savoie/Rosen callups)

Byram Dahlin
Power Borgen
Sammy Clifton
Bryson (Novikov 1st callup)

UPL
XXX (A guy...would play 5 games unless injury)
Levi (23rd guy when called up)


Yakemchuk or Helenius with the 1st...


Edit to add, I think we will have to overpay on the contracts for the new guys. I'm good with it. Build the playoff roster, figure out the cap in the two big Skinner buyout years later.

I'd like Kulich as 1C in Rochester and see how that goes. Don't see him as a top-9 wing option this season.

I think Pageau bounces back. Only has 2 more years on the deal. Keep him at 15 mins a night, good center for a couple young wingers.

or another guy


Jost

 

[debaser66]

What pressure was there? Everything was in Buffalo's court to move as fast as they wanted. They had all the leverage. Compared to the ROR trade from Botman's tenure, there was no pressure to get a trade done.

Count me as someone that wasn't happy with the return. Tuch was a decent piece, but the rest was underwhelming.

But there's much to his time as GM that I haven't liked, mostly from preference.

There was also no pressure to deal ROR, except a bonus that Pegula had to pay come July.
One could say there was more real pressure in the Eichel situation since his NTC would have kicked in should have things dragged out longer.

And neither deals have amounted to any on ice success since the team has still gone nowhere.
Both players from a skill basis are still better than anything that has amounted out of the trades.
Its just incompetent management that was unable to build a right mix of players & leadership around them.
We had better centers with Eichel/ROR but crappy D.
Now we have better D but no true 1C or elite 2way 2c like ROR & the same lack of depth behind the 1-2C.

 

[Sabre the Win]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1799065053616132151

'All Reinhart can do is tip in goals'

I wish I could relive that conversation on here but it was many years back. I still can't believe there was some arguing that as a bad thing and it has stuck with me still.

 

[Dingo44]

 

[Fjordy]

It will be interesting to see if Adams will look forward with term or if it is not necessary.

We've heard about Necas, Zegras could be a change of scenery, maybe Konecny. I like Butch too.

I saw a deal from a St. Louis fan: Buch + #16 for Kulich + #11 There were a few other parts that weren't as important, but that was the basis of the deal.

 

[Beerz]

It will be interesting to see if Adams will look forward with term or if it is not necessary.

We've heard about Necas, Zegras could be a change of scenery, maybe Konecny. I like Butch too.

I saw a deal from a St. Louis fan: Buch + #16 for Kulich + #11 There were a few other parts that weren't as important, but that was the basis of the deal.

I like the player and caphit now... Can almost guarantee I won't like the upcoming extension numbers

 

[Djp]

I think Clifton is a Ruff type of guy. RyJo can play anywhere. They could add one more tough veteran D while they wait for one or more of Komarov/Novikov/Strbak/McCarthy or someone they draft this year if a D falls to them at #11 and they like him more than any of the available forwards.

I think they project a RD prospect taking Cligton spot. I tg cou ki d br an 11OA pick too.

Thry could also trade sjohndon for a RD.

DeMelo is the guy that is the best fit for the group, would do 4 years × 5.5 million.

I've been big on getting DeMelo for the past 2 years. The problem with adding DeMelo is, I think you will be forced to choose between Byram&Power in 25/26. Byram will be looking at 6.5 per minimum on his next deal.

The team with G/D has too much cap

a $91M cap you should not exceed $39M for 7D/2G

5D are at $31M
2G signed for $6M
2 more D needed with $2M.

Short term you can hi over, but not long term.

Why they trade Joker and sign/acquire a D around $3M or less who plays mid pair.

You can probably get a 1 for 1 if there's a team looking to get more mobile and happy to pay 4M. Joker has value

I agree. I see him traded for s mirr stay st homr D first.

Or they look as t trades like him for a F. Krebs fir s D prospect.

I like the Hakanpaa idea somebody brought up, big stay at home RD, could double his salary ($1.5m) short term. Ideal type to pair with Byram or Power and run Sammy-Clifton 3rd pair/PK.

Fine with someone cheap.

Here is my offseason plan

Buyout Skinner

Krebs/Rousek/RyJo for TBL#1/Pageau/Cizikas

Joker/TBL#1 for Borgen/NYR#2, with Borgen signed 4x4 for next contract

Sign Dakota Joshua 4x4

Sign Kiefer Sherwood 3x2.5 (might be an overpay but I'm big on him as a breakout energy 3rd liner, if he isn't that already)

Bring back Jost as 13F...or another guy. Someone who can play 4C in a pinch. Kulich and either Savoie/Rosen will get games.

Savoie or Rosen as 3RW, keep Kulich down one more year

Bryson as 7D

UPL 4x4

Levi as backup but...split the season Rochester and Buffalo, 25 games each.


Joshua Thompson Tuch
Quinn Cozens Peterka
Benson Pageau Rosen/Savoie
Greenway Cizikas Sherwood
Jost (Kulich and Savoie/Rosen callups)

Byram Dahlin
Power Borgen
Sammy Clifton
Bryson (Novikov 1st callup)

UPL
XXX (A guy...would play 5 games unless injury)
Levi (23rd guy when called up)


Yakemchuk or Helenius with the 1st...


Edit to add, I think we will have to overpay on the contracts for the new guys. I'm good with it. Build the playoff roster, figure out the cap in the two big Skinner buyout years later.

I'd like Kulich as 1C in Rochester and see how that goes. Don't see him as a top-9 wing option this season.

I think Pageau bounces back. Only has 2 more years on the deal. Keep him at 15 mins a night, good center for a couple young wingers.

Not touching Pagesu with a 10ft pole. Hrd past prime.


You want Levi playing games. Hr mainly in Rochester. Thry could resign Clifton for a yr.

Buffalo isnt trading a cheap D in tho without getting a RD in return

Too much on D

I'd rather sign Dakota johnson as s cheerlrsder....

Hes another flash in pan like that player tn TB got rom nashville

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Cozens and the #1 for Robert Thomas. Way better player today. Locked in. He can take faceoffs. You have to give to get.

 

[Fjordy]

I like the player and caphit now... Can almost guarantee I won't like the upcoming extension numbers

And if it's a deal without an extension? Well, for one season, although it all depends on how the player shows himself, it's unlikely that Adams will sign Skinner's contract. I just think a player like Buchnevich would be very useful in our top 6.

 

[Beerz]

Cozens and the #1 for Robert Thomas. Way better player today. Locked in. He can take faceoffs. You have to give to get.

Why in the world does St Louis do that?

 

[Beerz]

And if it's a deal without an extension? Well, for one season, although it all depends on how the player shows himself, it's unlikely that Adams will sign Skinner's contract. I just think a player like Buchnevich would be very useful in our top 6.

Well im not giving the assets required for just one year of Buch.

And the contract extension would probably be 6 years for a 30 yr old and probably over 7 mill.

 

[Fjordy]

Well im not giving the assets required for just one year of Buch.

And the contract extension would probably be 6 years for a 30 yr old and probably over 7 mill.

I don't mind if it's for one year, but yes it could be a problem.

 

[Dingo44]

Cozens and the #1 for Robert Thomas. Way better player today. Locked in. He can take faceoffs. You have to give to get.

The odds of Cozens getting traded now are close to zero. Ruff loves him and he's coming off a fantastic World Championship.

 

[BFLO]

Jokiharju has arbitration rights and is projected to ask for 4 million. Ok, maybe I'm undervaluing him and don't see anything special in him, but I'd just trade him. I don't think he's a good match for Power or Byram, and he's not a physical or consistent player (remember the last few seasons). Like I said before, we need a DeMelo/Roy type (not necessarily those) to pair with Power or Byram.

Re-sign Joki and slide him into Clifton's spot and trade Clifton away, sign Demelo or Roy.

Adams traded away Boosh last off season to make room for Clifton and Johnson. He could do the same with Clifton this year.

Power + Dahlin
Byram + Roy/Demelo
Samulesson + Joki
Bryson and RJ as the 7/8

 

[Fjordy]

Re-sign Joki and slide him into Clifton's spot and trade Clifton away, sign Demelo or Roy.

Adams traded away Boosh last off season to make room for Clifton and Johnson. He could do the same with Clifton this year.

Power + Dahlin
Byram + Roy/Demelo
Samulesson + Joki
Bryson and RJ as the 7/8

Well I think Clifton will be more useful than Joki on the third pair, also he has two more years of contract and he is less valuable than Joki. He gives physical presence. Ideally of course sign Roy or DeMelo, but there are many teams in the league that would want to sign them and Buffalo is unlikely to be the favorite.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

The odds of Cozens getting traded now are close to zero. Ruff loves him and he's coming off a fantastic World Championship.

Some dummy is claiming he heard rumors about something around Marner for Cozens on his dumb youtube show. I won't even link it, I almost vomited. Not happening.

 

[Jim Bob]

 

[MOGlLNY]

Always love hearing Jeff chop it up about the Sabres

 

[BFLO]

Well I think Clifton will be more useful than Joki on the third pair, also he has two more years of contract and he is less valuable than Joki. He gives physical presence. Ideally of course sign Roy or DeMelo, but there are many teams in the league that would want to sign them and Buffalo is unlikely to be the favorite.

I think a 4/5 dman tweener like Joki is more useful than a 5/6 dman like clifton.

Joki has played too far up the lineup his entire career in Buffalo. Put him on the bottom pair where he belongs and watch him thrive. And if he has to play in the top 4 for 20 games a season to cover for injuries he'll do that way better than Clifton.

I also don't want to see us move on from yet another player as soon as they turn 25. We've spent 5 freaking years developing Joki in the NHL and if we trade him away for peanuts right before all that development pays off...

Joki has driven me crazy over the years. But he's been doing it less and less and I've seen definite improvement in him. I desperately want all that suffering I went through watching him play the past 5 years to finally pay off.

Slot him where he belongs on the bottom pair. Sign a real top 4rd and we'll have one of the best defenses in the league.

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

Some dummy is claiming he heard rumors about something around Marner for Cozens on his dumb youtube show. I won't even link it, I almost vomited. Not happening.

Yeah not happening - what’s our plan for center if that happens?