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A bit of a thought experiment:

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Essentially requires Adams to bat a 1.000 with UFAs. I don't think I included it, but Joker is gone for some picks as well.

In: Matt Roy, Domi, Stenlund, Crouse, DeSmith, Iafallo
Out: Samuelsson, Joker, Skinner

I keep 11th OA.

You have Iafallo-Cozens-Crouse as your two way line now. Could easily swap in Tuch/Crouse on L1 and L2.

Peterka-Thompson-Tuch
Iafallo-Cozens-Crouse
Kulich-Domi-Quinn
Greenway-Stenlund-Benson
Krebs

Byram-Dahlin
Power-Roy
Bryson/Johnson-Clifton

UPL
Desmith

Kulich/Krebs can swap in/out of the lineup. You have enough young depth to withstand some injuries. Clearly defined lines/roles on both defense/offense.

I doubt Adams has the appetite for this many changes at once. And I'm not sure its realistic with the volume of UFA signings.

Zach716 said:
Interesting thought I had this morning:

In- Farabee (5m for 4 more years) for #11

Out- Skinner @ 50% retain (4.5m for 3 years) for XYZ

Only a gain of half a mil on the cap, an extra year for a young player with a lot of potential on a bad Flyers team, and I bet Skinner at 4.5m could be very valuable

Would probably have to involve a third team if Skinner was willing to waive NMC (probably the most unlikely thing about this proposal)
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I would get Flyers season tickets behind the bench to watch Torts v Skinner.
 
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TehDoak said:
A bit of a thought experiment:

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Essentially requires Adams to bat a 1.000 with UFAs. I don't think I included it, but Joker is gone for some picks as well.

In: Matt Roy, Domi, Stenlund, Crouse, DeSmith, Iafallo
Out: Samuelsson, Joker, Skinner

I keep 11th OA.

You have Iafallo-Cozens-Crouse as your two way line now. Could easily swap in Tuch/Crouse on L1 and L2.

Peterka-Thompson-Tuch
Iafallo-Cozens-Crouse
Kulich-Domi-Quinn
Greenway-Stenlund-Benson
Krebs

Byram-Dahlin
Power-Roy
Bryson/Johnson-Clifton

UPL
Desmith

Kulich/Krebs can swap in/out of the lineup. You have enough young depth to withstand some injuries. Clearly defined lines/roles on both defense/offense.

I doubt Adams has the appetite for this many changes at once. And I'm not sure its realistic with the volume of UFA signings.



I would get Flyers season tickets behind the bench to watch Torts v Skinner.
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Farabee for 11, not Skinner.

Is the bridge completely burned with Carolina? They should have a spot open after they trade Necas
 
joshjull said:
Sandin is definitely an interesting comparable. His deal has the same amount of RFA years (2) as Byram’s next deal will.


Not sure what relevance Quinn Hughes has to this though. His deal was signed 3yrs ago and started right after his ELC. So it has 4 RFA years in it and only 2 UFA.

What filters did you use to get that list of dme
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TehDoak said:
A bit of a thought experiment:

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Essentially requires Adams to bat a 1.000 with UFAs. I don't think I included it, but Joker is gone for some picks as well.

In: Matt Roy, Domi, Stenlund, Crouse, DeSmith, Iafallo
Out: Samuelsson, Joker, Skinner

I keep 11th OA.

You have Iafallo-Cozens-Crouse as your two way line now. Could easily swap in Tuch/Crouse on L1 and L2.

Peterka-Thompson-Tuch
Iafallo-Cozens-Crouse
Kulich-Domi-Quinn
Greenway-Stenlund-Benson
Krebs

Byram-Dahlin
Power-Roy
Bryson/Johnson-Clifton

UPL
Desmith

Kulich/Krebs can swap in/out of the lineup. You have enough young depth to withstand some injuries. Clearly defined lines/roles on both defense/offense.

I doubt Adams has the appetite for this many changes at once. And I'm not sure its realistic with the volume of UFA signings.



I would get Flyers season tickets behind the bench to watch Torts v Skinner.
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Chainshot said:
He wanted a new challenge without Makar in front of him and he wound up on team with Dahlin AND Power in front of him. There is only 1 puck and normally two of the defensemen are soaking up 50-ish minutes of that between them. That doesn't leave a lot of time to leverage his skills.
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I agree that the fit seems to defy logic for the team and him. I’m certainly not predicting a big cap wrecking deal, but it isn’t hard to imagine him getting 40-45 points and warranting a raise that will leave the team in a spot where a tough decision needs to be made. If we make the playoffs, I’m more than ready for the “tough-decision” conversations.
 
Zach716 said:
Farabee for 11, not Skinner.

Is the bridge completely burned with Carolina? They should have a spot open after they trade Necas
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He basically handcuffed them into just accepting 2 teams which significantly decreased his trade value.
This also goes 2 ways, he wont wave his projection, he knows Rod is gonna grab him by the b@//!$
 
TehDoak said:
A bit of a thought experiment:

www.capfriendly.com

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Thank you for the amazing 9 years
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Essentially requires Adams to bat a 1.000 with UFAs. I don't think I included it, but Joker is gone for some picks as well.

In: Matt Roy, Domi, Stenlund, Crouse, DeSmith, Iafallo
Out: Samuelsson, Joker, Skinner

I keep 11th OA.
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Don't think you can get Crouse for Sammy straight-up. I also doubt Utah's motivation to move Crouse.

It'd have to be a more godfather-type offer IMO.
 
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Zman5778 said:
Don't think you can get Crouse for Sammy straight-up. I also doubt Utah's motivation to move Crouse.

It'd have to be a more godfather-type offer IMO.
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Utah literally has zero D signed for 24-25 today.

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I'm not saying that they would move Crouse straight up for Samuelsson. But, they do need a ton of help on D.
 
Jim Bob said:
Utah literally has zero D signed for 24-25 today.

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I'm not saying that they would move Crouse straight up for Samuelsson. But, they do need a ton of help on D.
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Oh, yeah. I can 100% see why Utah would want Sammy......I'm just not sure that:
1.) Crouse is available
b.) Sammy is valuable enough to get Crouse straight-up.

I often wonder if Utah is a good landing spot for Jokiharju. They've got a boatload of picks.
 
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Zman5778 said:
Oh, yeah. I can 100% see why Utah would want Sammy......I'm just not sure that:
1.) Crouse is available
b.) Sammy is valuable enough to get Crouse straight-up.

I often wonder if Utah is a good landing spot for Jokiharju. They've got a boatload of picks.
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I think Joker’s best use is for a 3rd line forward or good 4C. I’d rather not just take a pick for him (understanding we can always flip the asset).
 
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Joker + Krebs should fetch a decent player. Add in a pick and you got yourself quantity for quality.
 
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Matt Ress said:
I'd say the eichel trade was a good amount of pressure and while we don't know a lot of behind the scenes, we were mostly happy with the return. Nonetheless, plenty of pressure at a time when not much else was happening around the league.
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What pressure was there? Everything was in Buffalo's court to move as fast as they wanted. They had all the leverage. Compared to the ROR trade from Botman's tenure, there was no pressure to get a trade done.

Count me as someone that wasn't happy with the return. Tuch was a decent piece, but the rest was underwhelming.

But there's much to his time as GM that I haven't liked, mostly from preference.
 
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OkimLom said:
What pressure was there? Everything was in Buffalo's court to move as fast as they wanted. They had all the leverage. Compared to the ROR trade from Botman's tenure, there was no pressure to get a trade done.

Count me as someone that wasn't happy with the return. Tuch was a decent piece, but the rest was underwhelming.

But there's much to his time as GM that I haven't liked, mostly from preference.
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No point in rehashing the eichel trade debate but like I said most were fine at the time because the return was more than expected.

To the bigger point, there was certainly plenty of pressure for a first time GM. To say that there wasn't is frankly being disingenuous. You don't need to agree with the results.
 
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OkimLom said:
What pressure was there? Everything was in Buffalo's court to move as fast as they wanted. They had all the leverage. Compared to the ROR trade from Botman's tenure, there was no pressure to get a trade done.

Count me as someone that wasn't happy with the return. Tuch was a decent piece, but the rest was underwhelming.

But there's much to his time as GM that I haven't liked, mostly from preference.
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There was the obvious pressure of Eichel's NMC kicking in at the start of the next season, though they were a ways off from that.

But, Adams was certainly feeling the heat. There was the 'leaked' list of players Calgary offered the day before the trade (which, to this day, stands as the most transparent and terrible attempt at pressuring another team i've ever seen) and the fact Eichel was about to do a tell all interview with LeBrun the morning the trade went down.
 
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Jim Bob said:
https://x.com/i/web/status/1798782129658101899

I would like Tanev on a 2 year deal. But, I am with Chad and I doubt he would sign here.
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Roy and DeMelo best option for me, they offer a more physical game than Jokiharju, they are reliable and have been consistent. Pesce probably won't be, not sure about Walker, I thought he was more of an offensive D when he was in LA. Tanev is ok, but I would prefer Roy or DeMelo. Chatfield is something like Clifton (when we signed him), but he is not very physical, although you have to look at his analytics.
 
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Chainshot said:
He wanted a new challenge without Makar in front of him and he wound up on team with Dahlin AND Power in front of him. There is only 1 puck and normally two of the defensemen are soaking up 50-ish minutes of that between them. That doesn't leave a lot of time to leverage his skills.
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The Byram trade is the poster child for the idea Adams has no clue how to construct a roster. If you can see why he is in no way a fit for this roster how didn't Kevyn see it?

Edit: Meant Byram and not Makar.
 
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sabremike said:
The Makar trade is the poster child for the idea Adams has no clue how to construct a roster. If you can see why he is in no way a fit for this roster how didn't Kevyn see it?
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In his defense *badumtisch*, the Jets just got schooled because they didn't have the ability to break the puck out of their zone. To a degree, the Leafs have the same issue TBH. They don't move the puck well from the back end and it kills them when their best forwards aren't on the ice. (In the Jets' case, it was when everyone but Morrissey was on the ice, but eh.) So in that regard, I get it. Having three guys who can push the play at a high level should make a matchup issue. But then there is the part about not being dingi* in their own zone or PKing that one has to look into.
 
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sabremike said:
The Makar trade is the poster child for the idea Adams has no clue how to construct a roster. If you can see why he is in no way a fit for this roster how didn't Kevyn see it?
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I think you mean Byram, and I'd tend to agree but I'll wait until he gets his 3C before finalizing my judgement. I believe in building from the back end and having 3 studs could work out if it isn't at the detriment to the forward group.
 
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sabremike said:
The Makar trade is the poster child for the idea Adams has no clue how to construct a roster. If you can see why he is in no way a fit for this roster how didn't Kevyn see it?
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He traded for Byram's talent and potential progress (that's what I think). It's not really a problem to put Byram in the top 4 and see what happens. We have a solid and elite #1 in Dahlin who can do everything and that's a plus for us. We have young Power who should also take a next step and progress. Now we have Byram, well he's definitely not without ability and he has his pluses. Although I said before that Byram is just not quite the type of defenseman we needed, but if they got him, then we can work with him. I think we're missing someone like Roy or DeMelo to make the puzzle in the top 4 come together and it will be a very good defense that can move the puck, shoot on net, control the game and play a physical game.

Byram/Power - Dahlin
Byram/Power - Roy/DeMelo
 
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