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Doug Prishpreed said:
Last year’s team was full of players that Granato had to worry about developing so that he wasn’t even able to focus on winning. Stop using the Sabres as a developmental organization and we’ll start winning.

All of these other teams are doing great with former Sabres. They should have been developing in the minors instead, and coming up when they’re ready so that they aren’t ready to move on from the team and city by the time they’re good enough to win cups.
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He had the same team back he was developing the year before. They almost all got worse. If his only focus was on development…to the point that he couldn’t gameplan anything or even learn how to use timeouts or pull goalies…and they all regressed….he should never get called by anyone to coach again.

Jacob582 said:
Chad also said this about Necas:

"I'd trade for him but I’d have some nervous energy about it"
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Trading Mittelstadt only to trade top prospects for Necas and then pay Necas more than Mittelstadt would be hilarious. Bowen Byram aint worth that
 
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Doug Prishpreed said:
Last year’s team was full of players that Granato had to worry about developing so that he wasn’t even able to focus on winning. Stop using the Sabres as a developmental organization and we’ll start winning.

All of these other teams are doing great with former Sabres. They should have been developing in the minors instead, and coming up when they’re ready so that they aren’t ready to move on from the team and city by the time they’re good enough to win cups.
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Other than having Adams pull out a gun and force all the vets worth anything who have NTC's and would sooner play in the KHL than for the Sabres to come here how exactly would you go about getting those veterans? And Granato's problem was that he had absolutely no business being behind the bench of an NHL team and got eaten alive tactically on a nightly basis, thinking the only guy to win 50 games in a season with 3 different teams will be a tad better
 
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Jacob582 said:
Chad also said this about Necas:

"I'd trade for him but I’d have some nervous energy about it"
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And I understand him. Do we really need Necas? He is more of a winger than a center, he doesn't seem to be very good at defense, he is not the most physical player, it would be strange to trade Kulich or Savoie for him and then pay big money for the contract.
 
sabremike said:
Other than having Adams pull out a gun and force all the vets worth anything who have NTC's and would sooner play in the KHL than for the Sabres to come here how exactly would you go about getting those veterans? And Granato's problem was that he had absolutely no business being behind the bench of an NHL team and got eaten alive tactically on a nightly basis, thinking the only guy to win 50 games in a season with 3 different teams will be a tad better
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Florida got many of their most important contributors off the scrap heap, and when they weren't an attractive destination, or players who didn't have trade protection. I don't buy that you can't build a winning team around the likes of Dahlin and Tuch, with all of the insane amount of assets we have. Others teams do much more with far less.

I don't think coaching was good under Granato and I'm sure it's part of the problem. But most good NHL teams are good no matter who coaches, and this is proven by the number of coaches being fired every year on winning teams. And I also don't think Donny was anywhere near the disaster you make him out to be. He wasn't good enough, but he wasn't a disaster either.
 
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Der Jaeger said:
Florida isn't exactly speedy in their top 6. Tampa was never that fast in their top 6.

Get some speed on the bottom 6 to balance it out.

Savoie is fast and could also help.

Tuch vs Peterka. Tuch was more established, but Peterka has more growth potential. I don't see Peterka as valued more than Tuch.

Krebs vs. Kulich. When the trade was made, Krebs was a former 1st (higher pick than Kulich), who was supposed to go top 10 if not for an injury. He came back and scored 43 points in 24 games in the WHL and was a ppg player in the world juniors. He also had 6 points in his first five AHL games. In the season he was traded, he has 9 NHL games (no points) and 5 assists in 2 AHL games.

Kulich went directly to the AHL post draft and had 46 points in 62 games his first year, and 45 points in 57 games this season.

So Kulich is the superior prospect, but we can't compare Krebs now to Kulich now. It's got to be Krebs at the time of the trade. And the difference isn't so great as we see now.

1st = 1st

2nd vs. Jokiharju. Would the Sabres get more in a trade for Jokiharju as an RFA than a 2nd?

So as I see the deal:

Tuch > Peterka
Kulich < Krebs
1st = 1st
2nd = Jokiharju

Eichel was hurt so his value was down. A non-hurt, non-trade demanding Eichel probably gets more.

And if we're just comparing Quinn's scoring to Tkachuk's scoring as raw data, then you're missing the boat. The way they score matters. The Sabres are allergic to the crease in the offensive zone and have little grit in their play across the roster. You don't trade for Brady Tkachuk for raw numbers. You're trading for his style of play.
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Ottawa would be crazy to turn that trade down imo. I'm not sure about your valuation comparisons to the Eichel deal.

Peterka put up a similar, more complete statistical season at 22 as Tuch did at 24 before he was traded. Peterka has zero durability concerns (82 GP) and still has more ceiling to explore. I think he's as well-regarded a young scoring winger in the league outside of the true star blue-chippers. He's at least as valuable as Tuch was and probably more.

Kulich vs Krebs isn't even close. Kulich is a top 20 prospect in the world right now, Krebs was no such thing at the time of the trade.
 
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HOOats said:
Ottawa would be crazy to turn that trade down imo. I'm not sure about your valuation comparisons to the Eichel deal.

Peterka put up a similar, more complete statistical season at 22 as Tuch did at 24 before he was traded. Peterka has zero durability concerns (82 GP) and still has more ceiling to explore. I think he's as well-regarded a young scoring winger in the league outside of the true star blue-chippers. He's at least as valuable as Tuch was and probably more.

Kulich vs Krebs isn't even close. Kulich is a top 20 prospect in the world right now, Krebs was no such thing at the time of the trade.
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Eh, I think you're looking at the Peterka vs Tuch from a bit of a narrow perspective. Tuch is a power forward. Not many of those in the league. Peterka is good, no doubt, but I don't think anyone would take a 22 year old Peterka for a 24 year old Tuch. I think Tuch is the superior player in that comparison.

I also think Kulich is the superior prospect in that comparison, but it's not as wide as you think. Kulich was 21st ranked this season by The Athletic. Krebs was 26th in August of 2021. Same evaluator: Wheeler. So it's not as big of a void as people think. In August 2021, people thought about Krebs the way we are currently thinking about Kulich and Savoie.
 
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Jim Bob said:
https://x.com/i/web/status/1797953949053657374

Too much of a focus on top 6 wingers for my liking. But, it is an interesting thought exercise.
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You cant find someone other than Levi to exchange? We have been so desperate for goalies I'm not about to just give UPL the keys and mortgage Levi for a top 6 winger when its not a position of need. Brady would be a luxury at this point and not a need.
 
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HOOats said:
Ottawa would be crazy to turn that trade down imo. I'm not sure about your valuation comparisons to the Eichel deal.

Peterka put up a similar, more complete statistical season at 22 as Tuch did at 24 before he was traded. Peterka has zero durability concerns (82 GP) and still has more ceiling to explore. I think he's as well-regarded a young scoring winger in the league outside of the true star blue-chippers. He's at least as valuable as Tuch was and probably more.

Kulich vs Krebs isn't even close. Kulich is a top 20 prospect in the world right now, Krebs was no such thing at the time of the trade.
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Plus our 1st is a whole lot more valuable than Vegas'.
And, of course, Brady Tkachuk is not Eichel, and he's not Matthew. He should return less than those players did in a trade.
 
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tsujimoto74 said:
Plus our 1st is a whole lot more valuable than Vegas'.
And, of course, Brady Tkachuk is not Eichel, and he's not Matthew. He should return less than those players did in a trade.
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Matthew didn't have term on his contract (RFA). He was only going to sign a long term extension for teams he wanted to be traded to.
 
TommyDangles said:
I know. If he does get traded it will be after this season. When he has a NMC.
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If they are hearing rumblings from Brady, they will give it another go next season. If it doesn't work out they will trade him after the season before his NMC kicks in.

But Brady will try to outsmart them and not demand a trade until after his NMC kicks in.
 
Dingo44 said:
Based on what Ruff has said I am betting it's going to be Cozens' line primarily playing against the McDavid's and Matthews' of the league.
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I would rather it be the third line but it will end up what it is, as long as it does the job.
 
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