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I think we all want Crosby, but it's just so unrealistic that we don't spend any time on it.
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MOGlLNY
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I’d definitely make moves for Sid but just can’t imagine him leaving Pitt to come here ever. It would most likely be Colorado or nothing.
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Put a quick roster together on cap friendly for next season.
Bought out Skinner.
Traded away Krebs and Clifton.
Tried to go high but short term on these signings?
More an experiment in how different our roster could look without any blockbuster trades/signings and just some decent UFAs added than a "these are the exact moves that I think we need to make" kind of roster.
Bought out Skinner.
Traded away Krebs and Clifton.
Tried to go high but short term on these signings?
More an experiment in how different our roster could look without any blockbuster trades/signings and just some decent UFAs added than a "these are the exact moves that I think we need to make" kind of roster.
OkimLom
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Only Non-Pittsburgh team I see Sid play for is Montreal. And that’s even questionable being in the same conference.
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He’s also friends with Marchand as well. But end of the day I think Sid becomes the last draft to lifer of a single franchise.
My Cozen Dylan
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Change of scenery for both was my thought. Similar age, similar metrics. He seems to be out of favor there. I’d add.
Not a Mantha fan at all and keeping Jokiharju would be a no for me.
Honestly looking at the “D” for next year I think it best if Dahlin, Power & Byram are all on their own pairs. You’d really be able to give opponents fits with it coming in waves.
Clifton will almost assuredly be back, and should be the #6 or #7. He’s expensive for that role but the cap is going up which will minimize the cost.
Another thing that will help minimize Clifton’s cap is having Ryan Johnson make the team as a 6th-7th defenseman.
Samuelsson will also return and should be in there somewhere with one of those 3.
For that last open spot I do believe they should look at adding a defensively solid veteran presence. Pesce, DeMelo or someone like that would be a really nice addition to the back end.
I’m fine with making Joki part of a trade. I don’t really see a fit with so many other young offensive talents and he’s not the type that takes the pressure off of those guys.
Clifton will almost assuredly be back, and should be the #6 or #7. He’s expensive for that role but the cap is going up which will minimize the cost.
Another thing that will help minimize Clifton’s cap is having Ryan Johnson make the team as a 6th-7th defenseman.
Samuelsson will also return and should be in there somewhere with one of those 3.
For that last open spot I do believe they should look at adding a defensively solid veteran presence. Pesce, DeMelo or someone like that would be a really nice addition to the back end.
I’m fine with making Joki part of a trade. I don’t really see a fit with so many other young offensive talents and he’s not the type that takes the pressure off of those guys.
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They definitely need someone that can take some PK time. I don't ever want to see Power or Bryson on PK duty again
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Power isn't NEARLY as bad on the PK as Jokiharju. Not even close.
Beerz
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The only reasons Jokiharju wasn't the worst defenseman on the team on the PK was they kept him off of it until they had season ending injury to Samuelsson and traded EJ. That's why he's 8th on the entire team in SHTOI/game and 6th in total SH minutes. Part of their improvement was him just not being out there. They can better.
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I should revise my statement since Bryson definitely won't be back.
I don't want to see Joker or Power on the PK again next season
CowbellConray
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What my offseason would look like:
1)Trade:
Joker to Carolina for Jack Drury: Joker I think has value around the league. Young, experienced, and I think Carolina would be looking for a good player for their D which will have turnover (only 1 RD under contract for next year). Drury is a great faceoff guy at a young age, with upside. Would consider him a clear bottom 6 option who could grow with the team as a bottom 6 forward
2) Resign:
Krebs - 2 years 1.25M (Show me deal)
UPL - 3 years 3.5M (May be a bit light, but RFA that I'd be ok taking to UFA and then evaluating)
Drury - 3 years 2M
Bryson - 1 year 900K (8th D deal)
Robinson - 1 year 900K (13th forward)
3) FA:
Chandler Stephenson - 5 years $5M per: Only 29, speed and shot guy. Would slot into the top 9, could see him play well with Tuch/Thompson OR Benson/Greenway. Cup winner
Josh Brown - 1 year 1.5M: Can get him for a year, size and can move decently well. Could consider him a bottom pairing guy who can come in and out of the lineup. Need a 1 year deal here so we have flexibility next offseason
Will Carrier - 2 years 1.75M: Had an injury this year keep him out of the lineup, but he can be a really good bottom six option. Speed, physicality, some scoring. Would like to see if we can bring him back. Again, poaching Vegas players who know how to win.
With the cap going to be around 87.5M (projection), that would give us around 5M in cap which would make sense. We wont spend much closer to that number.
This also gives us flexibility next year with Skinner's contract. I'd like to see our new coach evaluate Skinner. He just screams like a guy who would show out well next year under a new helm. Do I think he is a sustainable positive asset for the rest of his deal? No. Do I think we should keep him and see what a new coach can do? Yes. Buy him out next year and use the money to sign JJP to a long term deal.
I think my roster is weak at bottom pair RD, but I consider that spot a role that is going to get very little ES time and no PP minutes. So I'm taking the risk.
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1)Trade:
Joker to Carolina for Jack Drury: Joker I think has value around the league. Young, experienced, and I think Carolina would be looking for a good player for their D which will have turnover (only 1 RD under contract for next year). Drury is a great faceoff guy at a young age, with upside. Would consider him a clear bottom 6 option who could grow with the team as a bottom 6 forward
2) Resign:
Krebs - 2 years 1.25M (Show me deal)
UPL - 3 years 3.5M (May be a bit light, but RFA that I'd be ok taking to UFA and then evaluating)
Drury - 3 years 2M
Bryson - 1 year 900K (8th D deal)
Robinson - 1 year 900K (13th forward)
3) FA:
Chandler Stephenson - 5 years $5M per: Only 29, speed and shot guy. Would slot into the top 9, could see him play well with Tuch/Thompson OR Benson/Greenway. Cup winner
Josh Brown - 1 year 1.5M: Can get him for a year, size and can move decently well. Could consider him a bottom pairing guy who can come in and out of the lineup. Need a 1 year deal here so we have flexibility next offseason
Will Carrier - 2 years 1.75M: Had an injury this year keep him out of the lineup, but he can be a really good bottom six option. Speed, physicality, some scoring. Would like to see if we can bring him back. Again, poaching Vegas players who know how to win.
With the cap going to be around 87.5M (projection), that would give us around 5M in cap which would make sense. We wont spend much closer to that number.
This also gives us flexibility next year with Skinner's contract. I'd like to see our new coach evaluate Skinner. He just screams like a guy who would show out well next year under a new helm. Do I think he is a sustainable positive asset for the rest of his deal? No. Do I think we should keep him and see what a new coach can do? Yes. Buy him out next year and use the money to sign JJP to a long term deal.
I think my roster is weak at bottom pair RD, but I consider that spot a role that is going to get very little ES time and no PP minutes. So I'm taking the risk.
Flame away!
My Cozen Dylan
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No way Carolina does this. For Kotkaniemi, I think they do. Not for Drury.
CowbellConray
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Carolina has one of the worst cap situations going into next year. They are losing 4 starting defensemen, and have to resign drury, Jarvis and necas. Drury is the most likely to get
Moved of the three. I’d try my best to sell joker as a young guy who can be signed to a 2-3 year deal without getting bent over by a UFA
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I don't think we reverse and to heavy slow line.up. We read the Robinson's of the world the riot act Hi f there is a fast freak like pat maroon coming up in the ranks. Okay. Three good hockey players that finish checks and push thru on the outside wins us games.
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I'm not a big Mantha fan either. He was just the first name that popped up on the list of top 6 forward UFA's in the right age range and expected salary, as sorted by current cap hit.
If we buyout Skinner, who should we got after as a top 6 winger? I doubt we can attract a Reinhart, Guentzel or Marchessault. I figure we'll have to settle for somebody in the 2nd/3rd tier like Mantha. But the upside is that we don't need to commit long term.
I think Joki is a fairly standard #5 defensemen. But we have him slotted into a #3/#4 role. Fill the top 4 RDH slot with a bonafide veteran and push Joki to bottom pair and I think he'll look pretty good. Better than Clifton at least.
edit: 2 other UFA wingers that I think could be realistic and that I'd want. Toffoli, Teravainen
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Ace
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Fair. I think they have to shop for a guy instead of sign the guy to fill that role.
My first choice is to try prying out Coleman via trade. And having a middle 6 that is more interchangeable doesn't bother me at the moment is the play is still breaking in high-skill kids so looking at more 2-way people who are self-starters. Mantha is more of the sort who has to have fire applied to his ass to get something out of him and that's even intermittent. Plugging more guys like that into this into the Sabres does not work.
Benson-Cozens-Quinn as the 2nd line and Peterka-Thompson-Tuch as the first line is good. Finding energetic 3rd line types is way more interesting. Foegele, Coleman, Garland, Batherson as guys to push into that with Greenway and an as yet center to be named later/found.
And then look a pair of guys like Carrier, Joshua, Trenin, even Lafferty in UFA to make an actual identity line that could be used to draw the crowd and team into the game on the regular by playing harder, more abrasive shifts that are almost completely missing from this team.
I don't think Joki is actually any better than Clifton in that role and would be overpaid as a third pairing defenseman who could push up in case of injury. He's a poor PKer and is now 4th in terms of PP d-men. There is no sand in his game and he is a regular at giving up odd-man rushes. I would love to see the stats but it seems like he's often the common element in giving up odd-man breaks be it Dahlin or Power as his partner. It's time to move on from that.
I don't think he PK's well enough to be around as that option. That's the thing at the end of the day - he's not good at the PK and it isn't because of design, it's his level of execution and his brain.
Possibles, sure.
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