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So, I've been digesting the whole idea of Kane/Skinner thoughts, i.e. why get rid of Skinner to bring in Kane. I think the difference is, Kane is more versatile of an offensive player. I think he was probably overused a bit in Detroit, looking at TOI in ice time per game, he was playing top line ice time.

If we could squeeze him on the secondary offensive line and use him a bit more of a PP specialist and keep him fresh for the long season.

The problem with the idea of Kane is the spot you want him is where Quinn resides in the sheltered RW role. Ideally you are adding some size to the lineup. I don't think you want your top line to be Peterka-Thompson-Quinn either.

It's a different dynamic from Skinner in that Skinner you essentially have to leave at the top of the lineup or he's worthless. Kane will at least good at the PP if his ES game falls off.

Still presents a bit of a roster construction challenge in making two offensive lines aren't going to be badly one dimensional when your top wingers are Quinn/Peterka/Tuch/Kane. Even if you mix Benson and Greenway in, that top 9 winger mix is pretty meh.
 
SundherDome said:
Hayes is a non starter
Kane, I don't trust him
DeSmith, with his background, noppppe
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Hayes offensive drop seems to coincide with a pretty drastic usage change.

Kane is a secondary offensive line winger at this point. I put some random thoughts above him in my previous post as I'm not sure if swapping Skinner for Kane makes a big enough of a difference in the roster makeup to push the needle.

Eh, I'm less worried about Desmith unless there is some off ice stuff I'm unaware of. My hope is the backup plays 20 games, UPL plays 50 games, Levi plays 12 games.

I just want enough goaltending depth that we can survive a prolonged slump/injury without the team going straight into the tar pits and Levi still gets plenty of ice time this season.
 
TehDoak said:
So, I've been digesting the whole idea of Kane/Skinner thoughts, i.e. why get rid of Skinner to bring in Kane. I think the difference is, Kane is more versatile of an offensive player. I think he was probably overused a bit in Detroit, looking at TOI in ice time per game, he was playing top line ice time.

If we could squeeze him on the secondary offensive line and use him a bit more of a PP specialist and keep him fresh for the long season.

The problem with the idea of Kane is the spot you want him is where Quinn resides in the sheltered RW role. Ideally you are adding some size to the lineup. I don't think you want your top line to be Peterka-Thompson-Quinn either.

It's a different dynamic from Skinner in that Skinner you essentially have to leave at the top of the lineup or he's worthless. Kane will at least good at the PP if his ES game falls off.

Still presents a bit of a roster construction challenge in making two offensive lines aren't going to be badly one dimensional when your top wingers are Quinn/Peterka/Tuch/Kane. Even if you mix Benson and Greenway in, that top 9 winger mix is pretty meh.
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I think Quinn plays LW very well, if you add RW to top 6.
 
Reddawg said:
Has any player ever been claimed from buyout waivers in league history? I feel like I’ve never heard of that happening.
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Goodrow was claimed yesterday. Maybe Drury and his old BU/Sabres buddy Grier worked this out before but you could argue if no one claimed Goodrow he was getting bought out.
 
Rumors are Colorado could move Colton. I read the Avs board and there are mixed reviews on him. He's definitely not a 2C, but he looks like an average 3C with his own ups and downs. He can play a physical game and win faceoffs, but he seems like he needs a driver on the line and a guy who can cover him defensively. I'd definitely take someone like Colton over Laughton. I'm sure Adams could do better, but he could also do worse. I think a Benson - Colton - maybe Mangiapane or Greenway line could work. And I think it won't cost #11 or one of our best prospects.
 
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Dingo44 said:
Goodrow was claimed yesterday. Maybe Drury and his old BU/Sabres buddy Grier worked this out before but you could argue if no one claimed Goodrow he was getting bought out.
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Yeah, I think that was a pretty crystal clear case of “if you won’t waive, we will”. I’m talking waivers where they say right upfront that the player is getting bought out as soon as he clears.
 
goach said:
Would Farabee + 12 for 11+ Krebs and 4th work?
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I was just having fun with the package, where Philly was getting the 11th and 12th pick.

I'd do the trade, based on the value, but I doubt others would.

But in terms of what the Sabres "need" I probably wouldn't do the trade as I would rather use the 11th pick in an asset to address a need on the team. Farabee would be a decent player to get, but he doesn't add something we immediately need.

If I'm trading the 11th pick, I'm doing so to acquire a top 4 Dman with vet experience, a top 6 center (25-28 years old) that can add veteran leadership that can be a guy the players can get behind or Lindy can use with flexibility throughout the top 9.
 
OkimLom said:
I was just having fun with the package, where Philly was getting the 11th and 12th pick.

I'd do the trade, based on the value, but I doubt others would.

But in terms of what the Sabres "need" I probably wouldn't do the trade as I would rather use the 11th pick in an asset to address a need on the team. Farabee would be a decent player to get, but he doesn't add something we immediately need.

If I'm trading the 11th pick, I'm doing so to acquire a top 4 Dman with vet experience, a top 6 center (25-28 years old) that can add veteran leadership that can be a guy the players can get behind or Lindy can use with flexibility throughout the top 9.
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Would rather keep pick and take helenius or someone .
 
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TehDoak said:
Behold the deep defense, frankenstein top 9, PITA 4th line forward group, and veteran backup goalie

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I took a similar approach.
 
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Fezzy126 said:
I think it's more likely that fetch becomes a thing than Samuelsson not being in the top 4.
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There are multiple things (UPL+Levi, Krebs at 4C, Samuelsson as Dahlin's partner) that I expect to happen that I would try and go in a different direction to add depth and experience.

:dunno:
 
Saw a tweet that GMKA doesn't think any extensions this summer for any of the RFA guys like Peterka, Quinn or Byram. What? Why?
 
So last summer I beat the JT Compher is what we need drum…signed for 5x$5.1 per….stay line: 77 games played, 19 goals, 29 assists, 48 points and a -5.

So exactly, again, what we need. Who could be this years Compher?

So JT is $5.1 per, Cirelli is $6.25 per, younger and signed longer.

I think Beerz said I’m a little too high on Cirelli, and I might be but for a futures package to get him I see this:

Tage of a couple point per seasons
Cozens hitting his prime like he plays at the worlds
Cirelli of several Cups, and a shutdown center
……..our “spine”

Dahlin hitting his prime
Power taking the next step
…..we’ve gotta be able to build an awesome defense anchored by these two soon…right?!?!?!

UPL hitting his prime….

Several ECLs hitting the next several years….our team built around these six should be top 5 in the nhl for at least the next 5 years.
 
HogtownSabresfan said:
Saw a tweet that GMKA doesn't think any extensions this summer for any of the RFA guys like Peterka, Quinn or Byram. What? Why?
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He said he's willing to extend them sooner rather than later, but he doesn't think it'll happen this summer. But what kind of contracts are you willing to offer them? Byram is a question mark for now. Peterka and Quinn may well bet on themselves and a good season to get a better contract.
 
HogtownSabresfan said:
Saw a tweet that GMKA doesn't think any extensions this summer for any of the RFA guys like Peterka, Quinn or Byram. What? Why?
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If you are the agent of those players, why would you want to go for an extension instead of trying to have a great year this year and cash out rather than likely getting a bridge deal after injuries, down years, etc.

I also imagine Peterka's camp likely feels he's only going to get better and up his price.
 
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HogtownSabresfan said:
Saw a tweet that GMKA doesn't think any extensions this summer for any of the RFA guys like Peterka, Quinn or Byram. What? Why?
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Most likely their agents are telling them to not sign, we have seen GMKA not afraid to take a chance on someone and lock them up long term.
 
Sabre the Win said:
Most likely their agents are telling them to not sign, we have seen GMKA not afraid to take a chance on someone and lock them up long term.
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I also don't doubt one bit if Quinn was willing to sign long term right now the Sabres would be foaming at the mouth to do it. Injuries or no.

Or maybe I'm putting my own feelings of Quinn onto the team's view of him.
 
HogtownSabresfan said:
Saw a tweet that GMKA doesn't think any extensions this summer for any of the RFA guys like Peterka, Quinn or Byram. What? Why?
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Probably because there's a lot more pressing issues at hand before the season begins. My expectations are deals will be done during the season before the TDL. I think he's just setting expectations.
 
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