The Rebuild Started...

[Pavel96]

This is true. I mean, if we’d drafted Tkachuk, Keller, or Sergachev they wouldn’t even be part of our highly rated prospect pool. Thank god we didn’t make that mistake.

Exactly. This way we get these fantasy type prospects that we can all pretend will be a #1 one day. Just ignore all realistic signs that the player isn't developing into what they were drafting him to be. Look at Virtanen - he is still on his way to being a dominant, ppg, first line power forward.

 

[Pavel96]

There are a lot of injuries every year. The young players are still going to get a chance to play a lot of games. This year when there are injuries. They can call up the Gaudette and Dahlen or a another young player. If those Vets didn't sign and those young players had spots right away. When injuries happen you are going to be calling the Megna and the Chaput. Do you want Megna and Chaput type if players playing for the Canucks? A few years ago both played around 60 nhl games.

A lot of fans said the same thing last year. All the signings taking away younger players spots. Ask yourself this question which young player was ready last year but didn't get a chance to play because of Vets? The answer is nobody.

Why did they have to sign these injury insurance policies up to significant multi year deals at a price most agree is ridiculous?

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

And what would that prove - a few articles written by biased media? A sound bite of Pierre McGuire saying to Donnie and the Moj - "Oh yeah this group of prospects looks as good as I've seen"

And all of a sudden that's proof that Benning is the best. He's produced the least competitive stretch of Canucks hockey since he has been here and his greatest accomplishment is having a few positive articles written about him proclaiming his drafting to be the best.

If he actually has drafted so many great players in the last 5 years - why are so few going to compete for a spot next year? They're so great they can't make the NHL, years after being drafted. It's pretty well acknowledged that the signings of these 3 plugs are going to make it harder for prospects to even have a chance of making the team. I could dredge up any number of articles and soundbites to prove that. Why would he do that if he has this abundance of youth that is part of the best group of prospects ever assembled? (I'm only asking as this is a well acknowledged question put forth by many hockey insiders)

The media isn't really that biased at all....Look at the Las Vegas SC odds for 2019...Canucks are near the bottom,so theres a lot more current negative press on the Canucks.(which is understandable).

Who said Benning was the 'best'?

He has produced the least competitive stretch..yes....Nobody has proclaimed JB's drafting to be the 'best',but it is acknowledged that he's assembled a highly skilled group of prospects

Some players need more 'development 'time (at the time of being drafted,they have underdeveloped physiques),or they have college..Most will be in camp this year.

Have the UFA signings been badly received ..absolutely..If the prospects make the team,Benning has to move players out (Granlund,Gagner)...The new signings haven't even played yet ,and they are already 'plugs'..?...Okey dokey.

The Canucks lineup is one of the softest in the league,and they don't have 'proper' bottom 6 players..mostly a ragtag of players like Goldoblin and Granlund,Motte and Gagner playing in miscast roles.

 

[Pavel96]

Benning has assembled the best pool of young talent I've seen since being a fan..That seems to be fairly well acknowledged ...Who knows,we may have another Calder winner/runner up this year...?...Also,Gaudette and Demko made their debuts last season.

So its 'one man' now.?.not flip flopping between Judd and Elmer to suit your narratives.?...

The media isn't really that biased at all....Look at the Las Vegas SC odds for 2019...Canucks are near the bottom,so theres a lot more current negative press on the Canucks.(which is understandable).

Who said Benning was the 'best'?

He has produced the least competitive stretch..yes....Nobody has proclaimed JB's drafting to be the 'best',but it is acknowledged that he's assembled a highly skilled group of prospects

Some players need more 'development 'time (at the time of being drafted,they have underdeveloped physiques),or they have college..Most will be in camp this year.

Have the UFA signings been badly received ..absolutely..If the prospects make the team,Benning has to move players out (Granlund,Gagner)...The new signings haven't even played yet ,and they are already 'plugs'..?...Okey dokey.

The Canucks lineup is one of the softest in the league,and they don't have 'proper' bottom 6 players..mostly a ragtag of players like Goldoblin and Granlund,Motte and Gagner playing in miscast roles.

Essentially you did! See right above lol. To say he's assembled the best group of talent (and that's one of the main parts of his job) and to day after day argue the merit of all of his other moves gives the reasonable assumption that he has been proclaimed, in general, to be the best.

Its funny how now you downgraded that line from " Benning has assembled the best pool of young talent I've seen since being a fan" to "but it is acknowledged that he's assembled a highly skilled group of prospects" - just one page later.

Weren't you just accusing someone of flip flopping?

And yes I know some players need more development time. Water is wet. But why do most of Benning's players require more development time than players taken right after them? Again his best first round pick was taken with his lowest draft pick (except mcann) - and that makes no sense lol (why does a 23rd pick take less time to develop than a two 6ths?)!

The UFA signings been badly "received"? Lol Why can you not admit, personally, that he has done bad at anything? Statements like that obviously discredit your claim of not being biased.

As well - the media isn't biased? How on earth could an article be written about how this is a "model rebuild". It absolutely is not a model rebuild (look at the poll) and to claim it is wreaks of bias. As well what about when the media was crying over the attacks Benning was facing etc?

 

[Jack Burton]

Benning has assembled the best pool of young talent I've seen since being a fan..That seems to be fairly well acknowledged ...Who knows,we may have another Calder winner/runner up this year...?...Also,Gaudette and Demko made their debuts last season.

So its 'one man' now.?.not flip flopping between Judd and Elmer to suit your narratives.?...

The prospect pool only looks good on paper.

Would you not agree that we need to get these kids in the system and then we can judge their progress and project them into future line ups?

In your opinion how's Benning done with developing the youth the last 4 seasons?

I would assume that how he's handled them in the past should be a good indicator of how this new crop of young players will be developed correct?

If you don't think so then what's changed?

 

[Canucks1096]

Why did they have to sign these injury insurance policies up to significant multi year deals at a price most agree is ridiculous?

I agree the term and the salary is ridiculous. Ask yourself this question, what negative impact does thise Vets signing have on the Canucks? The playing time for young players? I did point out every year there are a lot of injuries. Because of these salaries, do you think the Canucks will be trading a way our future core of Horvat Boeser Pettersson and Hughes? The answer is No. Did Canucks choose to use money on 4th line players when they could of sign Carlsson. The answer is No.

So what is the big fuss here? It seem like you are making a big fuss for the sake of making of big fuss.

To be honest I think the contract is 1 year too long because Pettersson and Hughes if he signs entry level contract will be ending in 3 years. Pettersson and Hughes will cost at least 15 Million combined. However like what I said they will find a way to keep there young players. Those salaries won't have an impact on the young players future contracts.

 

[y2kcanucks]

There are a lot of injuries every year. The young players are still going to get a chance to play a lot of games. This year when there are injuries. They can call up the Gaudette and Dahlen or a another young player. If those Vets didn't sign and those young players had spots right away. When injuries happen you are going to be calling the Megna and the Chaput. Do you want Megna and Chaput type if players playing for the Canucks? A few years ago both played around 60 nhl games.

A lot of fans said the same thing last year. All the signings taking away younger players spots. Ask yourself this question which young player was ready last year but didn't get a chance to play because of Vets? The answer is nobody.

Except Benning signed bigger 4th liners so that they won't get injured this year. He literally said this.

 

[Canucks1096]

Except Benning signed bigger 4th liners so that they won't get injured this year. He literally said this.

Do you really Benning thinks there won't be any injuries this year? The answer is No. So what is your point?

 

[Jack Burton]

do you think the Canucks will be trading a way our future core of Horvat Boeser Pettersson?

One of them will be gone after Benning trades for Jack Hughes draft rights.

Pettersson and Hughes if he signs entry level contract will be ending in 3 years. Pettersson and Hughes will cost at least 15 Million combined.

The fruit fly and the midget?


Not a chance.

 

[CanaFan]

Do you really Benning thinks there won't be any injuries this year? The answer is No. So what is your point?

Actually, the answer is yes.

“We wanted to be bigger, more physical, harder to play against,” Canucks GM Jim Benning said of his free agent moves this Sunday. “The other thing we looked at too is that we’ve had a lot of injuries the last couple of seasons. If we can add some bigger bodied guys, then hopefully they can withstand the rigours of the season better, so we don’t have any injuries.”

The Canucks free agent moves make them a tougher team. But...

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Benning has assembled the best pool of young talent I've seen since being a fan..That seems to be fairly well acknowledged ...Who knows,we may have another Calder winner/runner up this year...?...Also,Gaudette and Demko made their debuts last season.

So its 'one man' now.?.not flip flopping between Judd and Elmer to suit your narratives.?...

Its the best prospect pool that has no prospects worth making space for on the NHL club apart from Boeser?

Have the UFA signings been badly received ..absolutely..If the prospects make the team,Benning has to move players out (Granlund,Gagner)...The new signings haven't even played yet ,and they are already 'plugs'..?...Okey dokey.

Are you saying you ignore the careers they've had before joining the canucks...?

 

[Jack Burton]

Except Benning signed bigger 4th liners so that they won't get injured this year. He literally said this.

Actually, the answer is yes.



The Canucks free agent moves make them a tougher team. But...

Probably the craziest thing I've ever heard out of a GM's mouth

 

[PuckMunchkin]

No way is Stecher a legit NHL player. He nosedived this season after an alright rookie season. Defensive liability due to his size, trouble transitioning the puck up ice and a complete no show in the offense zone.

I do have my fingers crossed for him to bounce back this year but after watching what has happened to Hutton, I don't have a lot of confidence he'll be able to.

Stecher sneakily had a good season if you look beyond the obvious statistics;

Canucks Army Year in Review: Troy Stecher

 

[CanaFan]

Probably the craziest thing I've ever heard out of a GM's mouth

Sometimes you have to pity the people who, for some reason, feel compelled to defend the guy. He sure doesn’t make it easy for them.

 

[Pavel96]

Probably the craziest thing I've ever heard out of a GM's mouth

Well, this is the guy that literally says every year he likes the teams depth. Then at the end of the season he talks about how the team didn't have enough depth and thet was their big problem, and he's learned from that.

 

[Jack Burton]

Stecher sneakily had a good season if you look beyond the obvious statistics;

Canucks Army Year in Review: Troy Stecher

Whoa!
Missed that article and very interesting.

Thanks Munch and I am really pulling for him to bounce back.

 

[Pavel96]

I agree the term and the salary is ridiculous. Ask yourself this question, what negative impact does thise Vets signing have on the Canucks? The playing time for young players? I did point out every year there are a lot of injuries. Because of these salaries, do you think the Canucks will be trading a way our future core of Horvat Boeser Pettersson and Hughes? The answer is No. Did Canucks choose to use money on 4th line players when they could of sign Carlsson. The answer is No.

So what is the big fuss here? It seem like you are making a big fuss for the sake of making of big fuss.

To be honest I think the contract is 1 year too long because Pettersson and Hughes if he signs entry level contract will be ending in 3 years. Pettersson and Hughes will cost at least 15 Million combined. However like what I said they will find a way to keep there young players. Those salaries won't have an impact on the young players future contracts.

If you admit that the term and salary is ridiculous then that right there is the negative impact! Why is it, that because the Canucks have no realistic shot at winning anything and that no one wants to play here - it gives them an excuse to sign horrible contracts on a yearly basis? Why is it that management's horrendous performance in the past and present will not be an indicator for their future performance? How on earth will they be able to assemble a supporting cast that will actually successfully work with these 2-3 great players (2 of which have yet to play an NHL game and the third's season ended due to injury)?

Roster spots, years of term, and salary cap room are all part of asset management. From throwing away draft pick after draft pick, losing trade after trade, and signing poor contract after poor contract - the asset management has been absolutely horrendous and will impact this team for years moving forward. 2 or 3 great players won't matter - when 12/20 around them are complete garbage (for what they are paid).

The big fuss is that this has been the worst team assembled over a 3 year stretch all the while they were trying their absolute best to remain competitive (for their two best players in franchise history that were still playing at a reasonably high level). They failed those very players in a way worse than what they said they wouldn't/couldn't do. All the while we are being told there has never been a more exciting time to be a Canucks fan lol. If that doesn't make your head shake not sure what will.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

Hard to call anything we’ve done the past 5 yrs a rebuild. We keep bringing in vets on long term deals and we haven’t been aquiring draft picks. We’ve had pretty standard roster turn over and had the twins retire.

A big problem is that we don’t have many valuables pieces left to move for top prospects or high picks. Maybe Edler will give a list this yr, maybe Tanev has a healthy yr and we get good value at the tdl. Outside of 2 big maybes, i don’t see how we’re doing anything sifnificant.

The Burr trade was fantastic, but we lost so much value w things like the Kesler deal and the hamhuis debacle.

We’re in no mans land, and even if mgmt see this and want to add 1/2 yr deals w the intention of flipping for picks, why would anyone that isn’t absolutely desperate take one from us. Bad team, high taxes, possibly meaning 2 moves within 12mo.

 

[Jack Burton]

Sometimes you have to pity the people who, for some reason, feel compelled to defend the guy. He sure doesn’t make it easy for them.

I don't pity them at all.

They deserve a GM & President the likes of Benning and Linden.

Their not true hockey fans and have no idea how the league actually works. They only care about the Canucks and whatever propaganda is blown up their a**

If they haven't figured out that actions speak louder than words by now then they'll probably never figure it out.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Hard to call anything we’ve done the past 5 yrs a rebuild. We keep bringing in vets on long term deals and we haven’t been aquiring draft picks. We’ve had pretty standard roster turn over and had the twins retire.

A big problem is that we don’t have many valuables pieces left to move for top prospects or high picks. Maybe Edler will give a list this yr, maybe Tanev has a healthy yr and we get good value at the tdl. Outside of 2 big maybes, i don’t see how we’re doing anything sifnificant.

The Burr trade was fantastic, but we lost so much value w things like the Kesler deal and the hamhuis debacle.

We’re in no mans land, and even if mgmt see this and want to add 1/2 yr deals w the intention of flipping for picks, why would anyone that isn’t absolutely desperate take one from us. Bad team, high taxes, possibly meaning 2 moves within 12mo.

Im fairly confident at this point that our management isn't interested in trading away Edler or Tanev.

 

[Pavel96]

I don't pity them at all.

They deserve a GM & President the likes of Benning and Linden.

Their not true hockey fans and have no idea how the league actually works. They only care about the Canucks and whatever propaganda is blown up their a**

If they haven't figured out that actions speak louder than words by now then they'll probably never figure it out.

It's as if they personally just really like Jim Benning and Trevor Linden. Some people will defend their friends no matter what - even if they are absolutely in the wrong. Plus I think for some it's clearly a way just to get attention here. If I take the other side, everyone starts quoting me and look at all of the attention I get. "It's Jim and I vs the world!"

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Essentially you did! See right above lol. To say he's assembled the best group of talent (and that's one of the main parts of his job) and to day after day argue the merit of all of his other moves gives the reasonable assumption that he has been proclaimed, in general, to be the best.

Its funny how now you downgraded that line from " Benning has assembled the best pool of young talent I've seen since being a fan" to "but it is acknowledged that he's assembled a highly skilled group of prospects" - just one page later.

Weren't you just accusing someone of flip flopping?

And yes I know some players need more development time. Water is wet. But why do most of Benning's players require more development time than players taken right after them? Again his best first round pick was taken with his lowest draft pick (except mcann) - and that makes no sense lol (why does a 23rd pick take less time to develop than a two 6ths?)!

The UFA signings been badly "received"? Lol Why can you not admit, personally, that he has done bad at anything? Statements like that obviously discredit your claim of not being biased.

As well - the media isn't biased? How on earth could an article be written about how this is a "model rebuild". It absolutely is not a model rebuild (look at the poll) and to claim it is wreaks of bias. As well what about when the media was crying over the attacks Benning was facing etc?

I said he's "best GM' ?...try gain

In regards to flip flopping..That was in reply to Canafan's claim that 'one man' drafted 5 years worth of picks,where as y'all have tendency to pick and choose who made the the picks (Judd..great picks..Elmer..the slow developers)..keep up.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

It's as if they personally just really like Jim Benning and Trevor Linden. Some people will defend their friends no matter what - even if they are absolutely in the wrong. Plus I think for some it's clearly a way just to get attention here. If I take the other side, everyone starts quoting me and look at all of the attention I get. "It's Jim and I vs the world!"

I sort of feel the same way about our talented players. I think Horvat and Boeser deserve better and feel ashamed that they are subjected to this crap on MY TEAM.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I said he's "best GM' ?...try gain

In regards to flip flopping..That was in reply to Canafan's claim that 'one man' drafted 5 years worth of picks,where as y'all have tendency to pick and choose who made the the picks (Judd..great picks..Elmer..the slow developers)..keep up.

Well.. Judd seems like a smart guy and Benning seem pretty damn stupid.
Is it that far fetched to think that the guy who can't assess pro talent, can't sign good contracts, cant pull off a trade, is probably also behind the stupid picks?

 

[Pavel96]

I said he's "best GM' ?...try gain

In regards to flip flopping..That was in reply to Canafan's claim that 'one man' drafted 5 years worth of picks,where as y'all have tendency to pick and choose who made the the picks (Judd..great picks..Elmer..the slow developers)..keep up.

I alluded to that in my post. If you want to pretend I didn't, it's obviously not worth trying again with you. "La la la la la la"

It doesn't matter why you called Canafan a flip flopper lol. Let's not divert. Above, you claim one thing (I bolded), then downgrade it a few hours later. He goes from drafting the best group, to a highly skilled group. Flippin' and floppin' around. Whatever fits the narrative!