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Pastor Of Muppetz said:
Of course not,I wouldn't expect any different..

"I tried logic with these people. It doesn't register"...Puckmunchkin...lmao
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I just don't think that, when it comes to Jim Benning, you are capable of being all that objective. From the positions you defend here and the leaps in logic you are willing to make to hold on to your chosen narrative.
 
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megatron said:
I agree 100%. When i saw that Ennis signed for 650k my firts thought was "why didnt the Canucks sign him instead of beagle".

One things thats surprising me about the above lineup is how lacklustre it is. The above lineup is not going to win a championship, and I doubt guys like Gaudette and Lind will move the needle that much. Yikes this team is awful.
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If you compare where we are at to where the Leafs or Jets are at... ooh boy do we ever have a long ways to go
 
RonningMorrisonBooth said:
Define rebuild first
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This is the issue. Most (I think) would define a rebuild as a deliberate strategy that a team undertakes that includes:

1. Trading veterans for picks and prospects;

2. Playing younger players in prominent roles;

3. Communicating to it’s fans what the expectations for the club are, specifically that they are focussed more on rebuilding than on seriously competing for a playoff spot in the upcoming season.


Others consider a rebuild anytime a team is bad, drafts high, and something about the average age dropping.
 
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Pastor Of Muppetz said:
Hutton,Stecher,Boeser,and Virtanen (this season) all legitimately earned a spot on the Canucks...There's no proof to suggest they've blocked any prospects that earned a spot.

Benning has stated more than once.. "If a prospect is ready to play,we will make room for him"...He will be held to that.
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That’s not what you were arguing. What you argued was that the Canucks would make room for rookies to make the team. I’m not so sure that’s true based on their history.

Stecher was sent down to the AHL after earning a spot. He only got a roster spot after someone for injured.

Boeser was a healthy scratch to start the year, and again, only really got in after someone got injured.

Who have the Canucks dumped to make room for anyone?
 
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y2kcanucks said:
That’s not what you were arguing. What you argued was that the Canucks would make room for rookies to make the team. I’m not so sure that’s true based on their history.

Stecher was sent down to the AHL after earning a spot. He only got a roster spot after someone for injured.

Boeser was a healthy scratch to start the year, and again, only really got in after someone got injured.

Who have the Canucks dumped to make room for anyone?
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That is true about Stecher....Boeser had conditioning issues,but he had made the team and was healthily scratched for 2 games..

The bigger question is...which prospect has been good enough to warrant dumping a player?
 
Pastor Of Muppetz said:
That is true about Stecher....Boeser had conditioning issues,but he had made the team and was healthily scratched for 2 games..

The bigger question is...which prospect has been good enough to warrant dumping a player?
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On a rebuilding team the question should be what player is doing so well that a prospect can’t be replace him.....but I actually want this team to compete for the cup at some point.
 
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pgj98m3 said:
On a rebuilding team the question should be what player is doing so well that a prospect can’t be replace him.....but I actually want this team to compete for the cup at some point.
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We need to see what we have... and if any look like they are going to need a lot more development time (or give up on all together), we need to know how many additional draft picks we'll need to hedge our bets.

This isn't a competitive team. Just like when the playoffs are out of the picture, the young guys get more minutes, this should be started from the beginning. This year should be all about identification and assessment. It should have been years earlier... we should be much farther along. We should be in the same sentence as Toronto.
 
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Pastor Of Muppetz said:
That is true about Stecher....Boeser had conditioning issues,but he had made the team and was healthily scratched for 2 games..

The bigger question is...which prospect has been good enough to warrant dumping a player?
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So then you're admitting that Benning hasn't done a good job bringing in quality prospects?
 
y2kcanucks said:
Seems like it.

Either they have a bunch of good prospects who would then be pushing for jobs, or they don't. Which is it?
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Benning is the best and nothing you can say will change that. He drafted Boeser and EP. Now I'm going to put a finger in each ear and say "la la la la la" really loudly while you talk common sense and make rational points.
 
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Pavel96 said:
Benning is the best and nothing you can say will change that. He drafted Boeser and EP. Now I'm going to put a finger in each ear and say "la la la la la" really loudly while you talk common sense and make rational points.
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Benning can do anything, except when Gillis happens. Then even Benning can't do anything.
 
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CanaFan said:
This is the issue. Most (I think) would define a rebuild as a deliberate strategy that a team undertakes that includes:

1. Trading veterans for picks and prospects;

2. Playing younger players in prominent roles;

3. Communicating to it’s fans what the expectations for the club are, specifically that they are focussed more on rebuilding than on seriously competing for a playoff spot in the upcoming season.


Others consider a rebuild anytime a team is bad, drafts high, and something about the average age dropping.
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Agreed on points 1 and 2, both of which happened as early as 2015.

3 is ridiculous and reeks of a completely ad hoc way to dishonestly justify the claim we haven’t been rebuilding.

By that definition a GM like Benning could have traded every player above the age of 21 for picks and stuff the roster exclusively with 20 year old free agent signings but still not be rebuilding if he refrained from using the word rebuild during interviews which is absolutely mind glowingly absurd.
 
PuckMunchkin said:
That maybe be. But the most positive reading of the situation is still bleak as hell. 1 rebuilding move in 16 months.
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Completely agree.

You wanna know what else is bleak as hell?

After 5 off seasons of this regime with the promise of getting younger through a retool or rebuild....everything that Linden and Benning have pissed away and where we have been drafting...we have only produced 1 legit NHL player and that's Bo Horvat.
 
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Jack Burton said:
Completely agree.

You wanna know what else is bleak as hell?

After 5 off seasons of this regime with the promise of getting younger through a retool or rebuild....everything that Linden and Benning have pissed away and where we have been drafting...we have only produced 1 legit NHL player and that's Bo Horvat.
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What about Boeser?
 
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