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Jack Burton
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Don't get me wrong because I love Boeser and think he will have a long NHL career but a good rookie season does not guarantee anything.
The NHL is very good at adjusting to nullify the other teams best players and considering we have only 1 true line that can score....Boeser is going to get loads of attention this season.
I also don't trust this regime with player development. These prospects of ours better make an immediate impact or else their probably going to get dicked around.
PuckMunchkin
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Horvat was drafted by Gillis. I don't considered Stecher a legit nhl player. No more than number 5 D on a good team. So technically I think he right as of now but Pettersson Hughes are pretty much a lock to be impact players. Gaudette Dahlen Lind Demko Juolevi have really good chance to good players as well.
nuckfan insk
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When has jim ever said we are rebuilding? All I’ve hear is competing for the playoffs and injecting youth..... as he signs a plethora of unwanted or overpriced vets to fill all spots. Injuries are the only way the kids will play
Jack Burton
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No way is Stecher a legit NHL player. He nosedived this season after an alright rookie season. Defensive liability due to his size, trouble transitioning the puck up ice and a complete no show in the offense zone.
I do have my fingers crossed for him to bounce back this year but after watching what has happened to Hutton, I don't have a lot of confidence he'll be able to.
Go talk to Toronto about point 3 before whining about dishonest blah blah blah.
Also a rebuild isn’t about doing these things a single time or two in 5 years. It’s about doing these things repeatedly and at the expense of competing for playoffs. We’ve never done Points 1 and 2 to the degree a rebuilding team would.
But nice try.
Pavel96
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Linden admittedly said it just to "gain alignment with fans" if they "can wrap their heads around it".
I just can't wrap my head around how horrible this team is - 5 years after they took over while trading away prospects, picks, and signing any FA available that they think suits them - regardless of cost or term.
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Benning has assembled the best pool of young talent I've seen since being a fan..That seems to be fairly well acknowledged ...Who knows,we may have another Calder winner/runner up this year...?...Also,Gaudette and Demko made their debuts last season.
So its 'one man' now.?.not flip flopping between Judd and Elmer to suit your narratives.?...
Pavel96
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Lol you don't say anything offering any shred of reality or proof. Just "benning has assembled the best pool bla bla" Then you state "this seems to be fairly well acknowledged" - well, no it isn't lol. We get it - Benning is the bestest, no matter what!
I don’t flip flop mate. We are talking about Benning’s performance as GM, not Brackett’s as head Scout.
And I didn’t think we were talking about “debuts”. I thought we were talking about “making the NHL”, something those players have yet to do.
I mean, you gotta admit that is a pretty small and unimpressive list for a 4 year span.
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Yes,I would say its "acknowledged"...I could easily dredge up any number of media articles,soundbites etc to prove that...
Pavel96
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And what would that prove - a few articles written by biased media? A sound bite of Pierre McGuire saying to Donnie and the Moj - "Oh yeah this group of prospects looks as good as I've seen"
And all of a sudden that's proof that Benning is the best. He's produced the least competitive stretch of Canucks hockey since he has been here and his greatest accomplishment is having a few positive articles written about him proclaiming his drafting to be the best.
If he actually has drafted so many great players in the last 5 years - why are so few going to compete for a spot next year? They're so great they can't make the NHL, years after being drafted. It's pretty well acknowledged that the signings of these 3 plugs are going to make it harder for prospects to even have a chance of making the team. I could dredge up any number of articles and soundbites to prove that. Why would he do that if he has this abundance of youth that is part of the best group of prospects ever assembled? (I'm only asking as this is a well acknowledged question put forth by many hockey insiders)
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From the 2017 draft,only 2 players 'made' the NHL...From the 2016 draft. picks Juolevi,Lockwood,Dahlen,Jasek will all be in camp this year.
One thing that is unpredictable is 'development' time,and a lot of the players we've drafted have needed it..So,have we had guys that have just walked into the NHL,not really,but that can change in a hurry...All of a sudden there is a critical mass of prospects at training camp this year.
y2kcanucks
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You’re ignoring the expected return of the high draft positioning Benning had due to being so awful at his job.
It’s like saying Kevin Lowe was great at his job because he drafted a league MVP in Taylor Hall.
Sure, that’s one possible explanation. The other is we haven’t drafted nearly as well as some people think we have. I do find it improbable that we have just drafted “a bunch of players who needed more time”. That doesn’t seem a likely explanation.
Pavel96
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Haha wow you are using Linden's 'critical mass line'.
If there is such a critical mass of prospects why did they rush to sign three players that will take spots off the roster for younger players?
Pavel96
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At a time when he was in win now mode, because it "wouldn't be fair to the Sedins". And then he promptly created the team that went on to finish worst in Canucks history for three years consecutively all but forcing them to retire (after playing reasonably well during that stretch).
He came in and said his goal was to be competitive and then when on the least competitive stretch in Canucks history. If that isn't proof enough that he is a failure as GM - not sure will be. Just go to English Bay and bury your head in the sand I guess.
y2kcanucks
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Jasek was drafted in 2015, and Dahlen was not a Benning draft pick. Lockwood also won't be at training camp this year as he's not a pro player.
I thought we've been over this and you even agreed that using facts is what's best for these debates, yet you decide against using them yourself?
Pavel96
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I think it's becoming a 'critical mass' because their prospects take so long to "develop". So they just pile up, into a 'critical mass'.
y2kcanucks
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But apparently we're not supposed to listen to that part. We're only supposed to listen to the parts where they talk about a rebuild and how the future is bright, and ignore all the other parts about how he thought we could be competitive and how he wanted hockey trades instead of draft picks.
This is true. I mean, if we’d drafted Tkachuk, Keller, or Sergachev they wouldn’t even be part of our highly rated prospect pool. Thank god we didn’t make that mistake.
There are a lot of injuries every year. The young players are still going to get a chance to play a lot of games. This year when there are injuries. They can call up the Gaudette and Dahlen or a another young player. If those Vets didn't sign and those young players had spots right away. When injuries happen you are going to be calling the Megna and the Chaput. Do you want Megna and Chaput type if players playing for the Canucks? A few years ago both played around 60 nhl games.
A lot of fans said the same thing last year. All the signings taking away younger players spots. Ask yourself this question which young player was ready last year but didn't get a chance to play because of Vets? The answer is nobody.
Pavel96
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Its like when he wrote:
"Who knows,we may have another Calder winner/runner up this year...?."
It's like - sorry who was our other Calder Winner? Not anyone drafted by Benning - so why even include the word winner? Benning drafted a runner up - which is still great - but why the need to throw the word 'winner'? Just trying to slip things in to make it seem better than it really is. Why do we have to play games like this to make a professional appear competent at his job?
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