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[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Sure, that’s one possible explanation. The other is we haven’t drafted nearly as well as some people think we have. I do find it improbable that we have just drafted “a bunch of players who needed more time”. That doesn’t seem a likely explanation.

No players from 2018..obviously...Only 2 players 'made' the NHL from the 2017 draft (picks#1 and 2)..So to say he has not picked NHL ready players from those years is a bit 'off the mark'

So,realistically..We are looking at a 3 year window of players..Stecher,Virtanen,Boeser...Gaudette and Demko have already made their debuts..

The draft years 2017 and 2018 have potential 'game changers' for the Canucks.

 

[arttk]

I agree the term and the salary is ridiculous. Ask yourself this question, what negative impact does thise Vets signing have on the Canucks? The playing time for young players? I did point out every year there are a lot of injuries. Because of these salaries, do you think the Canucks will be trading a way our future core of Horvat Boeser Pettersson and Hughes? The answer is No. Did Canucks choose to use money on 4th line players when they could of sign Carlsson. The answer is No.

So what is the big fuss here? It seem like you are making a big fuss for the sake of making of big fuss.

To be honest I think the contract is 1 year too long because Pettersson and Hughes if he signs entry level contract will be ending in 3 years. Pettersson and Hughes will cost at least 15 Million combined. However like what I said they will find a way to keep there young players. Those salaries won't have an impact on the young players future contracts.

We finished at the bottom for 3 seasons straight because we can’t score or defend and you ask what negative effects we have from our free agent signings????

 

[Pavel96]

Seriously. Trying to debate rationally with a irrational person... waste of time.

At least he's not mocking my sexuality (like he did a few days ago when I said Gubranson's mustache is his greatest contribution to the Canucks) lol.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

At least he's not mocking my sexuality (like he did a few days ago when I said Gubranson's mustache is his greatest contribution to the Canucks) lol.

Well 96 would suggest that you are sexually dyslexic...

 

[Pavel96]

Well 96 would suggest that you are sexually dyslexic...

Genuine Lol!

 

[Canucker]

No players from 2018..obviously...Only 2 players 'made' the NHL from the 2017 draft (picks#1 and 2)..So to say he has not picked NHL ready players from those years is a bit 'off the mark'

So,realistically..We are looking at a 3 year window of players..Stecher,Virtanen,Boeser...Gaudette and Demko have already made their debuts..

The draft years 2017 and 2018 have potential 'game changers' for the Canucks.

So do 2019, 2020, 2021...and so on...thats how drafts work. The potential is there for EVERY team in the league who has picks in said drafts.

 

[CanaFan]

No players from 2018..obviously...Only 2 players 'made' the NHL from the 2017 draft (picks#1 and 2)..So to say he has not picked NHL ready players from those years is a bit 'off the mark'

So,realistically..We are looking at a 3 year window of players..Stecher,Virtanen,Boeser...Gaudette and Demko have already made their debuts..

The draft years 2017 and 2018 have potential 'game changers' for the Canucks.

Well Stecher isn’t even a draft pick so now we are down to 3 players from 2014-2017.

That’s low. Time will tell if it gets any better. It’s easy to talk about potential, much harder to realize it.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Well Stecher isn’t even a draft pick so now we are down to 3 players from 2014-2017.

That’s low. Time will tell if it gets any better.

I'll give credit for finding Stecher. If anything its good asset management to pick up him as an undrafted rookie if you can, instead of using a pick.

 

[Pavel96]

I'll give credit for finding Stecher. If anything its good asset management to pick up him as an undrafted rookie if you can, instead of using a pick.

Wasn't Stecher a huge Canucks fan growing up? It feels like anyone in the role of Canucks GM would have had a good shot at signing him - but hey, at least he didn't mess it up. I think the thing Benning did that helped the most was assemble a brutal defense that could allow for the possibility of Stecher to make the team.

 

[Canucks1096]

We finished at the bottom for 3 seasons straight because we can’t score or defend and you ask what negative effects we have from our free agent signings????

Ok so how does that impact the scoring? They got 4th players to play on the 4th line. Canucks still have money to find scoring.

So if we didn't sign these players. That means the current players we have can score more? Does that mean any scorer That's a ufa wants to sign with the Canucks? Canucks still have cap money to spend. They can go out and find a scorer. Having Beagle and Rousell doesn't impact Benning in finding a scorer.

All three players are solid defensively and can play on the pk. Be able had around 60% faceoff percentage. If defending is one of the problem. Wouldn't those players help?

 

[Canucks1096]

Wasn't Stecher a huge Canucks fan growing up? It feels like anyone in the role of Canucks GM would have had a good shot at signing him - but hey, at least he didn't mess it up. I think the thing Benning did that helped the most was assemble a brutal defense that could allow for the possibility of Stecher to make the team.

Yes any role of GM probably would of had a shot to sign him. But it takes two to tangle it doesn't mean another gm wanted to sign him.

 

[Pavel96]

Yes any role of GM probably would of had a shot to sign him. But it takes two to tangle it doesn't mean another gm wanted to sign him.

Good point - although its pretty likely again that most gms, whose teams are severely lacking in d prospects, would go after him. At least they didn't try to lowball him or say something to offend him as well.

 

[Jay Cee]

This is such an HF Boards debate lol. Completely meaningless.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

This is such an HF Boards debate lol. Completely meaningless.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Well Stecher isn’t even a draft pick so now we are down to 3 players from 2014-2017.

That’s low. Time will tell if it gets any better. It’s easy to talk about potential, much harder to realize it.

Out of that 2014 draft,four players have played approximately 80 NHL games,although 3 of them are no longer on the squad...If Demko becomes what we think he will..I would call that a good draft.

Time will tell if it gets any better..If we're having this same discussion this time next year,I would have to agree that there would be a problem.

 

[CanaFan]

Out of that 2014 draft,four players have played approximately 80 NHL games,although 3 of them are no longer on the squad...If Demko becomes what we think he will..I would call that a good draft.

Time will tell if it gets any better..If we're having this same discussion this time next year,I would have to agree that there would be a problem.

Excepy we’re talking about draft picks making the team, so that eliminates Forsling and McCann. And I already gave you Virtanen and Tryamkin, so I don’t understand what you are protesting. Benning threw two of those picks away, which does us no good today.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Do you really Benning thinks there won't be any injuries this year? The answer is No. So what is your point?

Do I really think he thinks this? Absolutely. That's exactly what he said. Why else would he say something so stupid?

Do I also believe he will dump Beagle, Roussel, Schaller, Sutter, Granlund, Eriksson, or Gagner to make room for players like Dahlen, Pettersson, and Goldobin? Absolutely not. I think there's room for maybe one of those players to make the team, but there's no chance we'll see two or three.

 

[arttk]

Ok so how does that impact the scoring? They got 4th players to play on the 4th line. Canucks still have money to find scoring.

So if we didn't sign these players. That means the current players we have can score more? Does that mean any scorer That's a ufa wants to sign with the Canucks? Canucks still have cap money to spend. They can go out and find a scorer. Having Beagle and Rousell doesn't impact Benning in finding a scorer.

All three players are solid defensively and can play on the pk. Be able had around 60% faceoff percentage. If defending is one of the problem. Wouldn't those players help?

They are signed at 3rd line rate and considering what Benning said about Sutter getting a bigger role because of these signings, Beagle and Rousell are not playing on the 4th line.
How does that affect scoring? Signing 2 20pt wingers and locking them into the 3rd line ensures that we won’t have anyone scoring from the 3rd and 4th line. The effect of pushing Sutter up to the 2nd line will also ensure nobody is going to score on the 2nd line. Was that really that hard?
Hell even if Beagle, Schaller and Rousell are locked to the 4th line, you are basically locking the roster in with Ericsson, Sutter, Gagner, Granlund and Virtanen into the middle 6 and does that group look like they can score?
If we didn’t sign those 2 guys, we would’ve had room to bump players down a line if they kids play well and actually develop them. Hell if we actually tried to sign a guy that can score that would’ve been nice. Instead we signed 2 guys that can’t score into bigger roles that they shouldn’t have.
In some sense you are right, these 2 signings won’t impact our scoring, we will be just as bad.

 

[Canucks1096]

Do I really think he thinks this? Absolutely. That's exactly what he said. Why else would he say something so stupid?

Do I also believe he will dump Beagle, Roussel, Schaller, Sutter, Granlund, Eriksson, or Gagner to make room for players like Dahlen, Pettersson, and Goldobin? Absolutely not. I think there's room for maybe one of those players to make the team, but there's no chance we'll see two or three.

But he also said many times that he wants more depth so the team can better handle injuries as well. So we can't take what Benning saids as face value. Common sense there are going to be injuries. Only small percentage of players play all 82 games for every team.

But your disagreeing with Benning injuries but your argument takes no consideration into injuries. Pettersson I see him playing every game assuming he doesn't get hurt. Dahlen and Goldobin or another young player I I can see getting 60 plus games.

Megna and Chaput combined a few years ago played 126 games.

Last 4 years has there been any young players that was ready but didn't play many games because of Vets? Yes or No. If the answer is Yes tell me that player.

The mythe that these vets blocking young players continues. It's hasn't happened yet in the Benning era..

 

[y2kcanucks]

But he also said many times that he wants more depth so the team can better handle injuries as well. So we can't take what Benning saids as face value. Common sense there are going to be injuries. Only small percentage of players play all 82 games for every team.

But your disagreeing with Benning injuries but your argument takes no consideration into injuries. Pettersson I see him playing every game assuming he doesn't get hurt. Dahlen and Goldobin or another young player I I can see getting 60 plus games.

Megna and Chaput combined a few years ago played 126 games.

Last 4 years has there been any young players that was ready but didn't play many games because of Vets? Yes or No. If the answer is Yes tell me that player.

The mythe that these vets blocking young players continues. It's hasn't happened yet in the Benning era..

Except it's not a myth.

Every team should have depth, no on is disputing that. What is being disputed as that the Canucks shouldn't be grossly overpaying for that depth and playing that depth ahead of the youth that they have accumulated.

 

[Canucks1096]

Except it's not a myth.

Every team should have depth, no on is disputing that. What is being disputed as that the Canucks shouldn't be grossly overpaying for that depth and playing that depth ahead of the youth that they have accumulated.

I think both of us can agree that the 3 signings most likely there not going to play on the top 2 lines. Pettersson will play RW if he doesn't play center and one of Goldobin or Dahlen or Leipsic will play on the LW. So some of the young players will still be playing ahead of the Vets. A lot of other user were concern about young players wont get playing time. That is nothing to worry about. There going to be injuries.

All I know the last 4 years. There hasn't been a young play that was nhl ready and didn't play that many games because of Vets.

 

[y2kcanucks]

I think both of us can agree that the 3 signings most likely there not going to play on the top 2 lines. Pettersson will play RW if he doesn't play center and one of Goldobin or Dahlen or Leipsic will play on the LW. So some of the young players will still be playing ahead of the Vets. A lot of other user were concern about young players wont get playing time. That is nothing to worry about. There going to be injuries.

All I know the last 4 years. There hasn't been a young play that was nhl ready and didn't play that many games because of Vets.

This is how I think Benning/Green see the lineup:

Baertschi-Horvat-Boeser
Granlund-Sutter-Eriksson
Roussel-Gagner-Pettersson
Schaller-Beagle-Virtanen

Please explain where the spot for Goldobin, Dahlen, or even Leipsic are? I also see Leipsic as more of a bottom 6 player, so again, there's no room.

Will there be injuries? Of course. But that still doesn't mean they should be locking up roster spots with overpaid veterans.

 

[Canucks1096]

This is how I think Benning/Green see the lineup:

Baertschi-Horvat-Boeser
Granlund-Sutter-Eriksson
Roussel-Gagner-Pettersson
Schaller-Beagle-Virtanen

Please explain where the spot for Goldobin, Dahlen, or even Leipsic are? I also see Leipsic as more of a bottom 6 player, so again, there's no room.

Will there be injuries? Of course. But that still doesn't mean they should be locking up roster spots with overpaid veterans.

Green doesn't like Gagner at center. He prefer to have him on the wing. At even strength Green has never use Granlund in an offensive role before. If they keep Pettersson on the wing. Gaudette will get a center spot. I see Goldobin or Leipsic playing ahead of Granlund on the second line.

The most important thing the young players are still going to get a lot of games because injuries. That's what's important

So you want the depth but you don't want to overpaid them. So if you don't overpaid tbose vets. When injuries happen. Then you will be playing Chaput and Megna type of players.

It rather sign these Vets than having Chaput and Megna type players on the roster.

With the signings. I don't think it impact the young offensive player thst much. It impacts the Gaunce Motte and Archibald. There pretty much 0 chance no those 3 make the team.

 

[Canucks1096]

They are signed at 3rd line rate and considering what Benning said about Sutter getting a bigger role because of these signings, Beagle and Rousell are not playing on the 4th line.
How does that affect scoring? Signing 2 20pt wingers and locking them into the 3rd line ensures that we won’t have anyone scoring from the 3rd and 4th line. The effect of pushing Sutter up to the 2nd line will also ensure nobody is going to score on the 2nd line. Was that really that hard?
Hell even if Beagle, Schaller and Rousell are locked to the 4th line, you are basically locking the roster in with Ericsson, Sutter, Gagner, Granlund and Virtanen into the middle 6 and does that group look like they can score?
If we didn’t sign those 2 guys, we would’ve had room to bump players down a line if they kids play well and actually develop them. Hell if we actually tried to sign a guy that can score that would’ve been nice. Instead we signed 2 guys that can’t score into bigger roles that they shouldn’t have.
In some sense you are right, these 2 signings won’t impact our scoring, we will be just as bad.

Those 3 signings pretty much replace Gaunce Motte and Archibald. They didn't replace a scorer. Even without those signings. Pettersson if he playing wing still needs a center to play with
Sutter might still be an option as well.

If those players play on the 4th line. It still doesn't change the players you listed that had problem scoring. With or without it has no impact on the team.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Green doesn't like Gagner at center. He prefer to have him on the wing. At even strength Green has never use Granlund in an offensive role before. If they keep Pettersson on the wing. Gaudette will get a center spot. I see Goldobin or Leipsic playing ahead of Granlund on the second line.

The most important thing the young players are still going to get a lot of games because injuries. That's what's important

So you want the depth but you don't want to overpaid them. So if you don't overpaid tbose vets. When injuries happen. Then you will be playing Chaput and Megna type of players.

It rather sign these Vets than having Chaput and Megna type players on the roster.

With the signings. I don't think it impact the young offensive player thst much. It impacts the Gaunce Motte and Archibald. There pretty much 0 chance no those 3 make the team.

So tell me, which of those veterans doesn't play?

I would much rather have Tyler Ennis, Patrick Maroon, or even Kyle Brodziak on the roster than Jay Beagle, Antoine Roussel, Tim Schaller, Brandon Sutter, or Markus Granlund.