The Ratings Thread - a lot of people watched wrestling on Super Tuesday, sort of

[FriendlyGhost92]

Taylor Swift effect for that one game, where his boyfriend played and she was in attendance. I read the female audience increased by 63% from the previous week.

Imagine having no interest in a sport and turning on a game solely to see a "Fan" in attendance that may get 5-10 seconds of screentime 6-8 times.

... I'll be glad when that relationship is over. Then again, we'll probably be subjected to an entire new album full of songs about how he's not shit.

 

[Jussi]

Imagine having no interest in a sport and turning on a game solely to see a "Fan" in attendance that may get 5-10 seconds of screentime 6-8 times.

... I'll be glad when that relationship is over. Then again, we'll probably be subjected to an entire new album full of songs about how he's not shit.

Just from the news of sold out screening of the Eras concert movie in the US, I've learned recently that one does not simply underestimate the dedication of the Swifties.

 

[GKJ]

 

[Unholy Diver]

I'm gonna guess that record might fall again this coming weekend going against Fastlane

Imagine having no interest in a sport and turning on a game solely to see a "Fan" in attendance that may get 5-10 seconds of screentime 6-8 times.

... I'll be glad when that relationship is over. Then again, we'll probably be subjected to an entire new album full of songs about how he's not shit.

I bet the Chiefs are selling some extra jerseys and other crap because of it

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

They need to move Collision off saturdays. Fridays are probably less than ideal with Smackdown on FOX (for now.) but might be worth a shot. Or maybe thursdays?

 

[GKJ]

They need to move Collision off saturdays. Fridays are probably less than ideal with Smackdown on FOX (for now.) but might be worth a shot. Or maybe thursdays?

Tony does not want to go up against NFL so probably not. I think the answer is to try airing at 6pm

 

[Unholy Diver]

Tony does not want to go up against NFL so probably not. I think the answer is to try airing at 6pm

6:05 gotta get back on Turner Time

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

They need to move Collision off saturdays. Fridays are probably less than ideal with Smackdown on FOX (for now.) but might be worth a shot. Or maybe thursdays?

Honestly they just need to not have so many shows.

 

[boredmale]

6:05 gotta get back on Turner Time

In all honesty I don't know why AEW or some other Wrestling promotion doesn't try cultivate an audience at a more "traditional" wrestling time such as Saturday Morning or 6:05. I do think this times might help you get a more casual audience who might watch because there is nothing else on TV and they aren't out and about doing something on a Saturday Night.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Honestly they just need to not have so many shows.

I disagree. I think WWE and AEW have the opposite problems. WWE is relying too much on their aging roster and not introducing enough young talent. With that, they have far too much time to kill (3 hour RAW is ridiculous) and is why we get the JD 5 times a week and repeating matches all the time.

AEW constantly signs new talent (in my opinion many are too old, but that's for another time) but seems to have a problem being able to show good storylines or feature a lot of their roster due to time (not for all storylines, but many).

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I disagree. I think WWE and AEW have the opposite problems. WWE is relying too much on their aging roster and not introducing enough young talent. With that, they have far too much time to kill (3 hour RAW is ridiculous) and is why we get the JD 5 times a week and repeating matches all the time.

AEW constantly signs new talent (in my opinion many are too old, but that's for another time) but seems to have a problem being able to show good storylines or feature a lot of their roster due to time (not for all storylines, but many).

I actually think this is the best outlook WWE has had for young talent in a long, long time.

I wouldn't really consider anybody under 40 "Aging". Roman, Rollins, Cody, etc. all can go for another 5-10 years if they want to. LA Knight is noted as "Old" but realistically he's taken good enough care of himself and is "Safe" enough that he's got another 5+ years.

You can clearly see that they're building the likes of Gunther/Theory/Waller/Dom/Solo as the next generation. Think Gunther is the only one in that group that's over 35. I'm guessing the long term plan is still to run the Street Profits as singles. Then you've got Bron who looks like a surefire main eventer, and Hayes who looks promising.

On the women's side they're just fine, too. Rhea/Bianca/Stratton/Jade all pretty young and are all likely major stars. Becky's only 36. Charlotte's only 37.

On the AEW end, I think Tony does a piss poor job actually telling any story. (As I've noted before, some of the talent is good at taking care of this themselves) And then the BIG problem is he's signed way too much talent and tries to showcase as many as he can, rather than really zoning in on his top 2-3 dozen guys.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

I actually think this is the best outlook WWE has had for young talent in a long, long time.

I wouldn't really consider anybody under 40 "Aging". Roman, Rollins, Cody, etc. all can go for another 5-10 years if they want to. LA Knight is noted as "Old" but realistically he's taken good enough care of himself and is "Safe" enough that he's got another 5+ years.

You can clearly see that they're building the likes of Gunther/Theory/Waller/Dom/Solo as the next generation. Think Gunther is the only one in that group that's over 35. I'm guessing the long term plan is still to run the Street Profits as singles. Then you've got Bron who looks like a surefire main eventer, and Hayes who looks promising.

On the women's side they're just fine, too. Rhea/Bianca/Stratton/Jade all pretty young and are all likely major stars. Becky's only 36. Charlotte's only 37.

On the AEW end, I think Tony does a piss poor job actually telling any story. (As I've noted before, some of the talent is good at taking care of this themselves) And then the BIG problem is he's signed way too much talent and tries to showcase as many as he can, rather than really zoning in on his top 2-3 dozen guys.

Gunther and Solo are good, but Dom is already over-used and I certainly wouldn't classify Theory or the Profits as next generation. More as professional jobbers. I know Austin had the US belt, but we both know that was a joke.

NXT talent is a good start, but they're already utilized to fill time. In all, WWE has to fill 6 hours of programming a week, plus PPV's. That's far too much with the roster they have.

With AEW, I agree they're not as good with the storytelling, but I think that's because they have 4X the roster with half the programming time.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Gunther and Solo are good, but Dom is already over-used and I certainly wouldn't classify Theory or the Profits as next generation. More as professional jobbers. I know Austin had the US belt, but we both know that was a joke.

NXT talent is a good start, but they're already utilized to fill time. In all, WWE has to fill 6 hours of programming a week, plus PPV's. That's far too much with the roster they have.

With AEW, I agree they're not as good with the storytelling, but I think that's because they have 4X the roster with half the programming time.

Overuse doesn't really impact whether you're going to be a star down the line. I have my doubts about whether Dom can succeed outside this character, but over exposure is kinda irrelevant in the long run. He's still getting heat and it's not go-away heat, it's "Somebody kick the shit out of this guy" heat. So the over-exposure is honestly good for him as far as his development goes. More reps in front of big audiences.

Theory is likely going to be a star, it's just going to take time for him to develop. He's about as polished in the ring for a young kid as a young Orton or a young Ziggler. He absolutely needs mic work, but I think people forget how terrible most of Orton's promos were literally until 5 or 6 years ago. I could go on for awhile about Theory. Frankly, I think he's miscast as an arrogant heel and isn't comfortable with it. But you can't go watch his promo where Cena slaughtered him, and then his promo with the Rock, and deny that there has absolutely been a progression there.

Ford I can absolutely see as a star, heel or babyface. He likely ends up a babyface, but you could see subtle mannerisms in that match he had with LA Knight where there was heel potential. I'm not as confident in Dawkins, but I think he could get over as a mid-card to upper mid-card bully heel. You can't really deny that he's put the work in to get better performance-wise, and in better shapw.

I don't disagree with too much TV time, but I think that's mainly based around RAW being 3 hours. Even Triple H has noted that he hates RAW being three hours.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Overuse doesn't really impact whether you're going to be a star down the line. I have my doubts about whether Dom can succeed outside this character, but over exposure is kinda irrelevant in the long run. He's still getting heat and it's not go-away heat, it's "Somebody kick the shit out of this guy" heat. So the over-exposure is honestly good for him as far as his development goes. More reps in front of big audiences.

Theory is likely going to be a star, it's just going to take time for him to develop. He's about as polished in the ring for a young kid as a young Orton or a young Ziggler. He absolutely needs mic work, but I think people forget how terrible most of Orton's promos were literally until 5 or 6 years ago. I could go on for awhile about Theory. Frankly, I think he's miscast as an arrogant heel and isn't comfortable with it. But you can't go watch his promo where Cena slaughtered him, and then his promo with the Rock, and deny that there has absolutely been a progression there.

Ford I can absolutely see as a star, heel or babyface. He likely ends up a babyface, but you could see subtle mannerisms in that match he had with LA Knight where there was heel potential. I'm not as confident in Dawkins, but I think he could get over as a mid-card to upper mid-card bully heel. You can't really deny that he's put the work in to get better performance-wise, and in better shapw.

I don't disagree with too much TV time, but I think that's mainly based around RAW being 3 hours. Even Triple H has noted that he hates RAW being three hours.

Overuse is overuse. We're seeing it here with posts about being sick of Judgement Day. Again, when you're trying to fill all this programming time with limited talent, the writers are just lazily going with wrestlers and storylines that are currently working (ratings and social media mentions) and shoving them down everyone's throats.

Theory, Profits, Raiders, and others may certainly rise somehow, but so far, they've had years and are still jobbers. They have a long road, but who knows. Either way, still not enough of a pipeline.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Overuse is overuse. We're seeing it here with posts about being sick of Judgement Day. Again, when you're trying to fill all this programming time with limited talent, the writers are just lazily going with wrestlers and storylines that are currently working (ratings and social media mentions) and shoving them down everyone's throats.

Theory, Profits, Raiders, and others may certainly rise somehow, but so far, they've had years and are still jobbers. They have a long road, but who knows. Either way, still not enough of a pipeline.

Overuse has little to no effect as to whether somebody will be a star in 5 years lol.

Also not sure you're understanding the concept of a jobber because Theory sure as shit isn't being booked as one.

I dunno where the Raiders came from. They're never getting over big with that gimmick.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Overuse has little to no effect as to whether somebody will be a star in 5 years lol.

Also not sure you're understanding the concept of a jobber because Theory sure as shit isn't being booked as one.

I dunno where the Raiders came from. They're never getting over big with that gimmick.

When the fans tune out with go away heat, it doesn't help. Theory is forgettable. He had a title and spent most of that time in catering with no storyline. He's absolutely a jobber. They'll give him a feud just to put someone over. I mentioned the Raiders because they're on the show every week because they have to be. Santos Escabar, Otis, and on and on.

We can go back-and-forth about individual wrestlers all day, but the point remains. WWE has the exact opposite problem that AEW has. Not a strong enough pipeline of incoming/current talent to fill 6 hours with good wrestling week-in and week-out.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

When the fans tune out with go away heat, it doesn't help. Theory is forgettable. He had a title and spent most of that time in catering with no storyline. He's absolutely a jobber. They'll give him a feud just to put someone over. I mentioned the Raiders because they're on the show every week because they have to be. Santos Escabar, Otis, and on and on.

We can go back-and-forth about individual wrestlers all day, but the point remains. WWE has the exact opposite problem that AEW has. Not a strong enough pipeline of incoming/current talent to fill 6 hours with good wrestling week-in and week-out.

You don't go over Cena at Mania and get screen time with The Rock in the course of 6 months because the company views you as a jobber. If you legitimately think that, I can't help you. He's been booked like shit and also has a lot of growing to do, but he's absolutely viewed as a future star in that company.

Santos is another I think is good and miscast. Future main event star? Nah, I don't see that. But better than where he's at now. He's just stuck in no-mans-land as Rey's fan boy, although it seems they're slow burning a turn by him.

Either way you can cite the Raiders, Otis, and Santos, and on and on, just like I can cite Tony being infatuated with the likes of Wheeler Yuta, Nick Wayne, Jungle Boy, Evil Uno, etc. who appear to have zero potential to ever be a big or even moderate draw.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

You don't go over Cena at Mania and get screen time with The Rock in the course of 6 months because the company views you as a jobber. If you legitimately think that, I can't help you. He's been booked like shit and also has a lot of growing to do, but he's absolutely viewed as a future star in that company.

Santos is another I think is good and miscast. Future main event star? Nah, I don't see that. But better than where he's at now. He's just stuck in no-mans-land as Rey's fan boy, although it seems they're slow burning a turn by him.

Either way you can cite the Raiders, Otis, and Santos, and on and on, just like I can cite Tony being infatuated with the likes of Wheeler Yuta, Nick Wayne, Jungle Boy, Evil Uno, etc. who appear to have zero potential to ever be a big or even moderate draw.

LOL...just because you're in the ring with them doesn't mean you're over. What did Theory do in the ring with them?? Job...comedically . And how much of a storyline lead up to those times in the ring? A forgettable amount. Just like the Miz over the last few years. His job is to put others over.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

LOL...just because you're in the ring with them doesn't mean you're over. What did Theory do in the ring with them?? Job...comedically . And how much of a storyline lead up to those times in the ring? A forgettable amount. Just like the Miz over the last few years. His job is to put others over.

Theory jobbed to Cena?

lolwut?

 

[GKJ]

Theory jobbed to Cena?

lolwut?

That in itself is an indication of how that helped it if people don’t even remember that it happened. It was only 6 months ago.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

That in itself is an indication of how that helped it if people don’t even remember that it happened. It was only 6 months ago.

More an indication of ignorance.

 

[AtlantaWhaler]

Theory jobbed to Cena?

lolwut?

Come on...how many people actually tuned into WrestleMania to see Theory vs Cena? Or ever thought he'd ever win. Or tune into Smackdown to see him?

He was in the ring with the Rock, just a week ago, for a one-time comedy act. WWE wouldn't have put anybody they were looking at pushing in that situation.

 

[Jussi]

That in itself is an indication of how that helped it if people don’t even remember that it happened. It was only 6 months ago.

We have one poster...

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Come on...how many people actually tuned into WrestleMania to see Theory vs Cena? Or ever thought he'd ever win. Or tune into Smackdown to see him?

He was in the ring with the Rock, just a week ago, for a one-time comedy act. WWE wouldn't have put anybody they were looking at pushing in that situation.

Pretty sure just about everybody who had a single idea how the business works knew the part timer who's well past his full time prime was putting over the young full timer that the company is extremely high on lol.

 

[GKJ]

We have one poster...

That only means there are more