The Race for the Calder Trophy
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This should not be about points alone, especially when it comes to evaluating a Dman v. a forward, let alone a Dman who was considered a defensive Dman prior to this year, and who plays excellent defense in the NHL.
It seems obvious, but due to some of the things posted on here it appears to need to be restated.
It seems obvious, but due to some of the things posted on here it appears to need to be restated.
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I don't think you should even consider that doable.
Brock is still a rookie.
He can still go on a long cold streak. He can get injured. He can simply score at half the rate he is now.
I think he will end up with around 48-50.
Lots of people here pumping Faber's recent offensive stats. At the beginning it was all about his defensive abilities we should be looking at those more than simple goals and assists. How's that defense been lately? Still mind boggling good?
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Yes, it’s absurd how many great plays he makes defensively, it’a sort of routine by now and it’s the flashy outlet passes and clever pinches that show a continued advancement that have jumped out to me lately. Kid toys with veterans all the time to open passing lanes, really fun stuff.
Check out the highlights at the end of the PITT game just prior to last night against Vegas, he killed the final 2 minutes with some amazing blocks.
Though if you talk to SoH he is the worst defenseman in the league. So...
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He was just an HM on the top 10 defensemen poll from some players, and GMs. Very high praise.
Unfortunately most of the defensive plays don’t end up in highlight packages, but before the break, in the Tampa game, he had one of the more impressive displays I have seen when he absolutely smothered Point up the entirety of the ice on a rush. Top of the offensive circle all the way to his own net front with point completely covered, then beat him in a corner battle for an outlet. Skating backwards with a literal perfect gap against a full stride Point, absurd.
Two of the most meaningless assists you will ever see prior to a goal, but yeah, let's not watch the games and hype any assist due to him playing lots of time with some very skilled forwards. Meanwhile he was on the ice for two more goals against last night. Not so much his fault this time, but they were just as much earned "negative" points as the "assists" were earned. Once again, the hype is disingenuous.
That's not me saying it. That's the facts saying it for the last 40% of the season to date. And the underlying first 60% never said he was one of the best. Good to very good, yes. Near the best? No.
He's struggled defensively since around Christmas or so. It's why you don't hear much about that part of his game anymore. And the underlying stats never showed he was mind-bogglingly good.
It's because you've now been taught to have a positive bias towards his play. That's what hype from announcers and beat writers does. Walz was salivating about Faber that one time last night when it was Middleton that made the harder play first to set up Faber's opportunity to make a good play. Every good play is talked about as if nobody has done it before. Those blocks (one of them also a lucky one) against Pit are a prime example. That's called effort. That's what every player is expected to do. That is relatively normal play. He makes a bad play though, and nobody says a word. It doesn't have to be this way. It's not heresy to be a straight shooter about your team.
Not sure why you even bother wasting time with any sort of "analysis". You do realize everyone knows you are a troll, right?
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For a rookie playing 24 minutes a night against other team's top players, I'd say hes doing pretty damn good defensively.
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There was a very specific point in time where Faber officially took over as “the guy” in late December. Since then, he’s been scoring at well over a 60 point once. Would be funny for Faber to finish top 10 in the Norris but still lose the Calder to Bedard who missed a quarter of the season bc hype. Would officially lose all faith in the voters. Top 10 defenseman > highend 2C
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Highend 2C?!?
Look, I get why you're happy about Faber, and I can certainly see him winning the calder, but to call Bedard a 2C is one of the most outrageous posts in a thread filled with outrageous posts.
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Offensively he's a 1C, but his all around game really hurts him. I'm not sure his offensive game is impactful enough to overlook that.
I've been around a long time and frankly I can't remember a Calder winner that was a forward being praised for their defensive game as being the difference.
I get that people like Faber and I do too and think the Kings were crazy to trade him for Fiala, who is the type of player I don't like, but people are getting way too emotionally invested in this and it sometimes clouds their judgment.
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Let me help reassure you by saying it is.
It most certainly is. It’s hard to tell if people are serious sometimes with the…strange takes.
That said, I do think Faber will win the Calder due to Bedard’s injury.
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Yeah I'm not referencing his defensive game as super relevant to his Calder chances. I just don't know if he's a top 20-30 center in the league just yet.
Honestly I don't think that angle really matters to Calder voters, or at least enough of them to make a difference.
True kinda same with McDavid, he is mostly offense so overall a 2c. Same with Mackinnon tbh.
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It should when Faber is being mentioned as a top 20 to 30 D, which most stats put him at offensively and defensively.
I guess Minny better get the offensive driver Faber highlight package out there then.
Remember when Elias Lindholm scored 42 goals and 40 assists and finished the season with +61 yet people were still reluctant to call him a true 1C?
Those 1C goal posts sure get moved around the field a lot.
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Yeah, because Bedard is able to create offense like those guys. Those guys are waaay better offensively at the moment while also being much better defeinsively.
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Yeah my comment wasn't specific to Calder chances, but more supporting the idea that Faber has been a top 10-15 defenseman this year while Bedard has not been a top 15 center. Overall, he's probably anywhere from 25-30 right now among centers in the league, so depending on how many true #1Cs you think there are, he's either a low end #1 or high end #2.
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