I'd say the Faber hype machine is in overdrive, judging by posts like this. Top 10 DMan? 2nd C??
You guys don't have to try hard to belittle Bedard. Just be happy you have a couple good young players that are even part of the arguement.
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You guys don't have to try hard to belittle Bedard. Just be happy you have a couple good young players that are even part of the arguement.
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Looking into these facts since around Christmas (last 20 games):
144 defensemen have played 250+ 5v5 minutes, Faber ranks:
140th in GA with 22 (tied with Pietrangelo, oddly).
95th in xGA with 14.64 (funny that the following defensemen are all below him: Lindholm, Makar, Q. Hughes, McAvoy, Morrissey, Doughty, Hedman, Pietrangelo, Rielly and Josi. Woah.)
141st in on-ice save %
55th in TOI/game (and pretty obviously not being sheltered, 17th in defensive zone face-offs).
Not much changes if you go on per-60 basis, except a pretty decent positive jump in xGA.
Moving to the penalty kill, 36 defensemen have played 50+ PK minutes, Faber ranks:
13th in GA with 6 (I guess technically tied for 10th)
18th in xGA with 8.61
5th in on-ice save %
And again, not a lot changes if you go by per-60, but what does at least changes for the positive (10th in GA/60 and 12th in xGA/60).
And doing all of this while QBing the #1 PP unit and providing (at least) decent 5v5 production as well. I'm not really seeing a huge hinderance to his winning the Calder here.
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You’re lost if you think he’s one of the 32 best centers in the NHL right now. Sure, offensively he might be, but there’s more to winning games than that.
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If he continues on the pace he’s at, he’ll end with 50+ points and elite underlying metrics. He’ll have set the Minnesota Wild franchise record for points by a defenseman while being one of the best defensice players in the league. Suter had finished much higher than 10 for similar seasons.
The Wild have had 2 seasons with defenders at 51 (both Suter) and 1 season at 50 (Dumba). In this case 50+ would need to mean 52+ to set the franchise record. Which would also be the franchise rookie point record (Kaprizov at 51 in the Covid shortened season).
How is that possible in almost 25 years?
I guess that alone plays a big part in why your fanbase is so hyped about him.
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How is that possible in almost 25 years?
I guess that alone plays a big part in why your fanbase is so hyped about him.
In the past 30+ years, only 3 rookie defensemen have eclipsed the 50 point mark (Q Hughes (53 pts), Makar (50 pts), and Seider (50 pts)). That plays a big part in why people are hyped about him.
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Never being embarrassingly bad enough to routinely pick at the top of the draft, for starters.How is that possible in almost 25 years?
I guess that alone plays a big part in why your fanbase is so hyped about him.
Also, bad luck and/or incompetence of trading Burns before he broke out offensively, though you could maybe say that being traded is why he broke out offensively.
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Hey, you don't have to tell a Flames Fan about that - I don't think there is a team in the league that can beat our average (44 years worth) draft position.
But I would guess that we'd have over 20 dmen hitting 50...purely a guess though, and going offtrack here...
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Half of them were MacInnis and most of them were back in the 80s when hitting 50 points was easy
MacInnis would be one of those 20 Dmen.
In the past 10 years alone - Andersson, Brodie, Gio, Hamilton and Wideman have all hit the mark, and in some cases multiple times.
Again, I'm kind of shocked it hasn't happened in Minny, and to me that explains how hard you guys argue his case.
Edit: Sorry, Brodie never hit 50
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Don't really like having to do homework for you, but you're being really weird about this so just to clarify some things
Brodie has never hit 50
You've had 10 defensemen hit the 50 point mark, not 20.
There have been 34, 50-point campaigns by those 10 defensemen
-MacInnis and Suter count for 16 of those seasons
-Only 7 of these seasons were in years starting with a 2
-In the past 10 years alone, there have been 5 of these by 4 guys
-The Wild are about to have 4 by 3 guys in the last 10 years
Stop being weird. People are arguing Faber's case because he's a great player having an incredible rookie season, arguably the best rookie season in 2023-24.
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LOL, you're being wierd for wanting to argue this so bad. I made it clear in my post it was purely a guess. I edited the Brodie one before you replied. All your "homework" has done is show that it really isn't that uncommon. Anyways, this is my last post on the Flames D hitting 50 as it has little to do with the topic.
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In the player/GM poll that just came out ranking the top 10 defensemen, Faber made the honorable mention group....so there's that.
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So not top 10....
And I'm not saying he is or isn't, I'm just pointing out that a poster who doesn't think Bedard is one of the 32 best centers this season, happens to think Faber is a top 10 defenseman.
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Is it incredibly unreasonable that a guy that even players and GM's have in the top 13 or so is in someone's top 10?
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He's a defense first dman who is 10th in average ice time and 16th in defensemen scoring despite only just recently getting PP1 duty. I think you could absolutely make the case that he's a top 10 dman this year, he's absolutely carried Minnesota's defense.
Honestly its impossible to tell what Bedard is this year. The Hawks are so devoid of talent that he could be much better than he appears. Or he could be benefitting from being the only threat and getting more touches than he would on a "normal team." I suspect he will flirt with being a Top 15-20 C next fall and then make his rise into the Top 10 and beyond over the next few years.
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Okay, this is a general response to the various posts that replied to me.
I was not implying that Faber is, or isn't, a top 10 defenseman. But even the weeks leading up to Bedard's injury, he was leading the Calder race. If you want to say that Faber was actually a bit better at that time, fine. But that difference doesn't equate to one being top 10 in Norris voting and the other only being a 2C.
Just so happens he's doing it on a team with the next best forward being Phillip Kurashev.
I was not implying that Faber is, or isn't, a top 10 defenseman. But even the weeks leading up to Bedard's injury, he was leading the Calder race. If you want to say that Faber was actually a bit better at that time, fine. But that difference doesn't equate to one being top 10 in Norris voting and the other only being a 2C.
He's got so much talent he'd be in a scoring role on any team. Maybe a winger for some teams, like Edmonton for example, but he'd absolutely get minutes and opportunities on any team in the league.
Just so happens he's doing it on a team with the next best forward being Phillip Kurashev.
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