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Faber with 3 points tonight and still time left. Never played on PP before this year and is getting better every game.
The Race for the Calder Trophy
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ThatGuy22
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Faber is going to win this.
With Spurgeon out for the year, he's got 1PP duties locked down and had been performing well.
He was on pace for 41 before he started getting PP duties.
He's going to finish with 50 or so with PP time. Add in minutes, defensive ability and Bedards injury....
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I’m putting the over/under of points for Faber at 44.5 over a full season. I think he’ll need close to 50 to win, so I don’t think it’s some sure thing. Either way, he’s been pacing quite well since he started playing on the top PP.
His defensive game has eroded, but ok. Let's give it to him based on by default soaking up PP time with very good PP forwards and ignore the first thing we hyped about.
It's still going to be Bedard, and it won't be unfair either.
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this is likely what I see happening too. I plucked Faber in one of my fantasy teams when he started playing 30+ minutes and have been watching him more,...kinda reminds me a bit of what Moritz Seider did in 2022 but I think Faber will end up having a signaficantly better year than Moritz did...
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Ah, the Minnesota hater who pretends to be a fan is heard from again.
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Now leading rookie defensemen in scoring, TOI and blocked shots, and tied with Fantilli for 3rd in scoring among all rookies, trailing only Bedard and Rossi.
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Chelios
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Faber certainly making his case. But one thing to watch for that may actually work in Bedards favour is how putrid the Hawks offence has been without him (currently 12 goals in 7 games, scoring 1 or fewer in 5 of them). If he he still ends up leading both rookies and his team in scoring I think he still wins it.
It's possible but it really depends on how each player does the rest of the way and if the points are close but there is a huge swing in PPP that might be the difference.
The eye test clearly shows it obviously. But yes, Faber is leading the league in goals against (for skaters) for the month of January, and has been on the ice this month for nearly twice as many goals against per game as he was averaging the previous 35 games. And the defensive struggles have been in all three phases - EV, PK, and PP. It hasn't corresponded with increased even strength offense either, as he's near the bottom of the league this month in EV goal differential.
Because I'd rather be objective?
His defensive game has eroded because it has eroded. No way around that fact.
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As long as his offense keeps going, his minutes stays up, and his defensive metrics don't bottom out (10 games in January weren't great, but that was team-wide), Faber will have a very decent shot.
Currently still sitting at 20th in the entire league for 5v5 GA/60 and 4th in 5v5 xGA/60, even with his "eroded" January defensive game. Beginning of the year counts too.
Currently still sitting at 20th in the entire league for 5v5 GA/60 and 4th in 5v5 xGA/60, even with his "eroded" January defensive game. Beginning of the year counts too.
Jbcraig1883
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Re: objective
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Their offense has certainly struggled, but they're 3-4 in those 7 games, only allowing 17 goals, 2.4 per game. With Bedard in the lineup, they've allowed 3.6 goals against per game. Overall, the Hawks have actually performed better without Bedard:
Without Bedard
3-4-0
43.8% p%
2.33 GF/GP
3.56 GA/GP
-1.23 GD/GP
With Bedard
11-26-2
31.7% p%
1.71 GF/GP
2.42 GA/GP
-0.71 GD/GP
BagHead
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I have to agree. The vote typically goes to the rookie who leads the league in scoring (among rookies), especially if he also led his team in it. We'll have to see what happens when Bedard gets back, but I think he's still got a great chance to beat Faber out. I am proud of Faber for taking his opportunity and running with it, whether he wins the Calder or not.
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Keep an eye on Carlsson. He's returned from his injury just in time for Killorn to join Zegras, etc. on IR. He'll have every opportunity to display his offensive prowess, assuming he stays healthy for the rest of the season. Anaheim needs scoring and he can provide it.
Chelios
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They have certainly played better defensively since he has been out, but you can’t pretend that is somehow an indictment of Bedard. This was the way they played all last year under LR. Losing Bedard may have been the spark, but the reality was that with so many new players, young players and injuries, it was always going to take a while before this team came together.
Bedard is obviously not the defensive heartbeat of this team. He is, however, the offensive one and his absence shows that.
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I'm certainly not arguing that this is an indictment against Bedard, just highlighting how your argument goes both ways. If they continue to perform better with Bedard out of the lineup (regardless of whether it has anything to do with him), I could imagine voters considering that in their decision.
It's also probably fair to say the team recognized they had to make a stronger commitment to defending, and are scoring even less as a result. It's hard to suss out what portion of their reduced offense is directly attributable to not having Bedard in the lineup vs playing a more defensive game (even if the former caused the latter). The same can be said for their defensive numbers, where the majority of the marginal improvement is likely due with their commitment to defense, not Bedard's poor defensive game.
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Often, but not always. Forwards who win the award usually need to have 60+ points.
Since 2000, the only forwards who won the Calder with less than 60 points in a full season were Landeskog (52) and Beniers (57). Huberdeau and Kaprizov also won with less, but those were shortened seasons (due to a lockout and Covid).
Dmen have been able to win the Calder with a lot less points: Jackman (19), Myers (48), Ekblad (39), Makar (50 in 57) and Seider (50).
So if Faber ends the season with 45 points, combined with his defensive play and high icetime, he has a very good shot at winning, especially if Bedard misses 20 games and scores less than 60 points.
Honestly a good forward can have mediocre defensive metrics and still win. But a good defensive defenseman can have mediocre offensive stats and not even be considered. And yet if a defenseman prevents two goals and scores none while a forward score one goal and let's two in the forward is still considered the better player.
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