Dr Jan Itor
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That articles seems extremely "jump the gun-ish". Almost uncomfortably so.
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That articles seems extremely "jump the gun-ish". Almost uncomfortably so.
Zary has been a really fantastic surprise for the Flames. He's way more skilled than I ever expected. Also his skating has take a huge stride this season (no pun intended).
That being said I'm shocked at how little credit Bedard is getting here. Back your team's rookie all you want, but don't put down other players for that purpose. Some really cringy homer vibes in this thread. Bedard will in all likelihood win the Calder bc he has exquisite (not just "good") skill and anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves.
That being said I'm shocked at how little credit Bedard is getting here. Back your team's rookie all you want, but don't put down other players for that purpose. Some really cringy homer vibes in this thread. Bedard will in all likelihood win the Calder bc he has exquisite (not just "good") skill and anyone saying otherwise is kidding themselves.
If you could accurately calculate WAR for hockey players Faber is probably the best rookie, but Bedard will win the award unanimously unless he gets hurt, just because. Guy with the best numbers always gets it, and doubly so when you're dealing with the hype in this case.
But man, that Norris hype article on Faber is just cringe. He's probably playing like a top-20 defender in the NHL as a rookie which is crazy good, just be happy with that. He's pretty obviously nowhere near Makar/Hughes etc.
But man, that Norris hype article on Faber is just cringe. He's probably playing like a top-20 defender in the NHL as a rookie which is crazy good, just be happy with that. He's pretty obviously nowhere near Makar/Hughes etc.
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Those guys have an NHL track record and play the position in a totally different fashion. No one is saying he is there yet, but I will add that in the games where these players have been on the ice against each other this season, Brock has been the better performing player. Quinn Hughes was pretty bad in both games against the Wild and Makar wasn’t much better in his only showing. Makar dropped his point streak and had some out of character lapses in the game, so call it a one off. But if anyone thinks Brock doesn’t even belong in the same building as those guys, then you are likely to be surprised. Even within that article you get Quinn Hughes talking him up.
He's a terrific player. He might be in Norris discussion someday. He would get my vote for the Calder right now over Bedard.
But he is nowhere near those players right now, even if he 'had a better game' at some point. You're talking guys who are going to score 90-100 points and are also terrific defensively. Faber playing quality top-pairing defensive hockey and scoring 30 points isn't in the ballpark.
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Lol it’s bedard without question, but Zary has definitely made it a question for #2/3 at this point.
I want to trade Lindholm just to see how he does at center. He was always supposed to be our Backlund replacement. Didn't expect the offense.
I watch Quinn Hughes play every game and he consistently tilts the ice in favour of Vancouver while playing high-leverage matchup minutes and absolutely piling up points. It's insane that people are still stuck in 2020 in terms of their evaluation of his defensive play. He's fantastic defensively.
I will note that he's been weirdly off for the last 3 or 4 games and we're wondering if he's banged up, and that includes a recent Minnesota game where he didn't play well at all.
For Brock Faber to be in Norris discussions while on pace for 30 points he'd have to be head-and-shoulders the best defensive defender in the NHL as a raw rookie ... and sorry, but that's not the case.
Dr Jan Itor
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If roles were reversed, and Faber got hurt instead of Brodin, would Russo/Smith be pushing Brodin for the Norris? Because Brodin and Faber have comparable numbers across the board (if not Brodin's being better), which is reasonable since they're normally paired up.
I don't think they would be.
I don't think they would be.
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You won’t find me arguing he deserves a Norris this season. I do however think the bolded statement could be arguable. We have been quite fortunate in MN to have some of the games best defensive players in the league here over the years. Faber appears to me to be a transformative player, at least in the way he thinks the game defensively.
Hughes and Makar are sublime puck moving defensemen. I am not taking anything away from them except that they are not among the elite when it comes to pure defensive play.
Basically it's Bedards to win, but we're talking about rookies here, so spots 2-10 will probably change by the month as rookies are notorious for lack of consistency/staying healthy over 82 games. And as we saw it only takes a few games for these numbers to change drastically.
Right now it is between Bedard and Fantilli, as the season goes along, these two will pull ahead.
If you generate great defensive results and can nullify opposing superstar players by pushing the puck to the other end of the rink, you're an elite defensive player. Like, there is literally no player in the NHL I'd rather have on the ice against Connor McDavid than Quinn Hughes.
The claim that Brock Faber is by far the best defensive defender in the NHL as a raw rookie is not arguable. It's total over-the-top nonsense.
it's just the normal hyperbole, not serious. like when you say "that's has to be the best taco on earth!" when you're really stoned and super grateful to have just eaten a great taco. you know it isn't the best taco on earth. but it's great and you're excited and maybe people will get more excited for you than if you said "decent taco" .
It player fluffing--nothing wrong with that.
It player fluffing--nothing wrong with that.
Came here to pump Voronkov's tires.
Maybe people will finally listen to and trust those of us that pump russian prospect tires before they reach the league.
Maybe people will finally listen to and trust those of us that pump russian prospect tires before they reach the league.
Lmao, you’re so in your own head that you are thinking up arguments that haven’t happened and assigning people opinions they never said.
The fact you don’t think he’s getting recognition is pretty wild though. I shudder to think the insufferable level it would need to reach for you to think he is getting recognized.
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Fantilli isn’t even close at this point.
Bedard has 26 points in 30 games.
Fantilli has 17 points in 32 games.
As much as I wish this was the case, if Bedard stays healthy it's his. The only chance Fantilli actually has is for Bedard to miss a significant chunk of the season.
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Fantilli isn't even the top calder candidate on his own team.
Rossi' health concerns me.
Bedard will most likely win it but who is the candidate that Bedard is most likely up against? In my opinion it is Fantilli.
If age isn't a factor(which it's not) Voronkov actually probably has a better case than Fantilli. He's constantly tilting the ice in his favor and producing at a better rate, he's also been the anchor leading the best line on the team right now.
Truthfully I don’t think anyone will be even close to Bedard in voting. So I don’t know. It’s a competition for distant second.
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