Speculation: The Quest to sign Lindholm: Part II

[Backpack]

The Jets. Their biggest need also happens to be a top pairing LD

He wouldn't sign, he'd have to live in winnipeg. Let's keep our expectations realistic.

 

[Maukkis]

Pretty sure we have 7 days to make moves and a decision at the same time lindholm has to sign the os, so who has the picks available, the money available and a team that lindholm would consider signing for.

Pretty sure that you quoted the wrong post. I didn't mention offer sheets, I just said that Anaheim would be over the cap with signed Lindholm and therefore ineligible to play their games in the NHL.

 

[Szechwan]

Is the GM taking heat for mismanaging his cap so badly? It's like he didn't even have a plan when handing out his recent contracts.

 

[wintersej]

Timing is what makes this hard. In the offseason they simply make the match and work hard to shed salary. At this point they would need to find dance partners willing to take on a lot of salary fast. That could be a costly exercise as there are only a few options out there. As of today there are only 7 teams with $3M+ in cap space. The Ducks would probably have to shed nearly $5M in cap space to make this work.

To be fair, a lot of teams have extra contracts on their roster that could be sent down and unused LTIR situations, etc, so its really more than 7.

But how many of those teams owners are excited to pay Stoner 10 million bucks over the next 3 years instead of giving it to their grand kids?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Pretty sure that you quoted the wrong post. I didn't mention offer sheets, I just said that Anaheim would be over the cap with signed Lindholm and therefore ineligible to play their games in the NHL.

Well the post you quoted was in reference to an Os, not so much directed at you tho

 

[Tom ServoMST3K]

Unitil he signs I will continue to hope the Jets can finagle a trade for Lindholm based around Trouba.

 

[tsanuri]

There was something brought up in the Rakell signing thread that could make things interesting.
They had the space to sign him but he might not be healthy yet.
If so he could go to LTIR right off the bat meaning this signing actually isn't taking away any money they need to sign Lindholm.
And the way that LTIR works you actually get a bigger benefit the closer you are to the cap. So they could keep him just on IR until they needed to move him.
They also have Thompson on IR. If he was avail to be moved to LTIR as well.
They suddenly have over 6M in space to sign Lindholm.

 

[Maukkis]

To be fair, a lot of teams have extra contracts on their roster that could be sent down and unused LTIR situations, etc, so its really more than 7.

But how many of those teams owners are excited to pay Stoner 10 million bucks over the next 3 years instead of giving it to their grand kids?

With the current contracts, Anaheim could get as low as 3,7m free cap space for Lindholm. That includes LTIR and sending additional guys to the AHL. Nowhere near enough for Lindholm.

 

[wintersej]

Unitil he signs I will continue to hope the Jets can finagle a trade for Lindholm based around Trouba.

But what good does Trouba do the Ducks? Like at all?

 

[Maukkis]

There was something brought up in the Rakell signing thread that could make things interesting.
They had the space to sign him but he might not be healthy yet.
If so he could go to LTIR right off the bat meaning this signing actually isn't taking away any money they need to sign Lindholm.
And the way that LTIR works you actually get a bigger benefit the closer you are to the cap. So they could keep him just on IR until they needed to move him.
They also have Thompson on IR. If he was avail to be moved to LTIR as well.
They suddenly have over 6M in space to sign Lindholm.

And when Rakell is cleared and ready to play... guess where they are again.

 

[leaflover]

I hope Anaheim can find a way to sign Lindholm without having to sacrifice anyone decent. Maybe they can shuffle some bodies and lose a Stoner or Despres to come up with the cash. They'll have a strong team if they can keep the key pieces.

 

[Fourier]

Pretty sure we have 7 days to make moves and a decision at the same time lindholm has to sign the os, so who has the picks available, the money available and a team that lindholm would consider signing for.

If it was the hypothetical 6 x 6.7 then I would say that the Oilers could easily do that as far as picks and money. I have no idea if he would sign an offer sheet with the Oilers and do not think it is at all likely to happen. But if it did the dDucks would be in a much tighter spot than some want to admit.

As others have pointed out moves now need to be made just to register any contract. This changes the negotiations for both sides and makes an offer sheet somewhat more attractive to the player if for no other reason than to force the team to move quickly to clear space.

 

[Halibut]

And lindholm would sign there because....

$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Unitil he signs I will continue to hope the Jets can finagle a trade for Lindholm based around Trouba.

Start with Connor and add, and then you'll be in the right zip code, if not os him and hope he signs.

 

[wintersej]

There was something brought up in the Rakell signing thread that could make things interesting.
They had the space to sign him but he might not be healthy yet.
If so he could go to LTIR right off the bat meaning this signing actually isn't taking away any money they need to sign Lindholm.
And the way that LTIR works you actually get a bigger benefit the closer you are to the cap. So they could keep him just on IR until they needed to move him.
They also have Thompson on IR. If he was avail to be moved to LTIR as well.
They suddenly have over 6M in space to sign Lindholm.

I think you need to rethink your math here. What happens when Rakell comes off LTIR? You only get cap credit for the time on LTIR.

 

[BB88]

There was something brought up in the Rakell signing thread that could make things interesting.
They had the space to sign him but he might not be healthy yet.
If so he could go to LTIR right off the bat meaning this signing actually isn't taking away any money they need to sign Lindholm.
And the way that LTIR works you actually get a bigger benefit the closer you are to the cap. So they could keep him just on IR until they needed to move him.
They also have Thompson on IR. If he was avail to be moved to LTIR as well.
They suddenly have over 6M in space to sign Lindholm.

But wouldnt that hurt the trade return when Rakell is ready to play even more?

They'd absolutely must move someone at that point.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

If it was the hypothetical 6 x 6.7 then I would say that the Oilers could easily do that as far as picks and money. I have no idea if he would sign an offer sheet with the Oilers and do not think it is at all likely to happen. But if it did the dDucks would be in a much tighter spot than some want to admit.

As others have pointed out moves now need to be made just to register any contract. This changes the negotiations for both sides and makes an offer sheet somewhat more attractive to the player if for no other reason than to force the team to move quickly to clear space.

My point is there is a lot of factors in an Os that have to work out for that team.... and then you think is the money you invest in thst player worth the potential retaliation In the future.

Money, picks, need and lindholm signing it is a lot to have go right. It could happen sure but it's still a long shot at this point

 

[tsanuri]

And when Rakell is cleared and ready to play... guess where they are again.

The thing is with LTIR he will be out at least 24 days and 10 games.

It gives them time to make moves. They don't have to rush things. Unless of course they can't get the moves done and it's getting close.

 

[robbieboy3686]

BM might just buy out bieksa once and for all

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Unitil he signs I will continue to hope the Jets can finagle a trade for Lindholm based around Trouba.

And you can keep dreaming then, Lindholm before all is said and done. Will probably command close to $6 million per long term and Trouba around $5.5 million per long term and it would take far more then just Trouba to get Lindholm out of Anaheim who else is Winnipeg going to add.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

BM might just buy out bieksa once and for all

He can't do that until next summer though, Doesn't help them right now.

 

[robbieboy3686]

He can't do that until next summer though, Doesn't help them right now.

Didn't know we had to wait to do so. crap.

 

[TripleDekeGloveSide]

BM might just buy out bieksa once and for all

Im not sure he can until next year . . .We're stuck with Bieksa unfortunately

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Didn't know we had to wait to do so. crap.

Yup i'm pretty sure that the next buy out window is, 48 hours after the Stanley Cup finals if i'm not mistaken.

 

[GaryinPrague]

Its so easy for both teams

Trouba doesn't want to play in Winnipeg, its not about the money
Lindholm is about a big long term contract

So trouba signs a cheap 2 year bridge and some cheap rfa like dano,burmistrov,etc...

Jets get lindholm long term for 7 years 44 million and take stoner back