Speculation: The Quest to sign Lindholm: Part II

[Paper]

I look at Thornton, Iginla, Sedins, Jagr who all have played well into thir late 30's. If healthy, there is no reason Getzlaf, Perry and Kesler wouldn't still be pretty damn good for 4-5 years. Actually, save for big injuries that derailed a player's career, who are the last ''elite'' players who randomly started to decline around 34 or 35 years of age? Even a guy like Zetterberg is 36 now and is just starting to decline, and injuries have played a part.

Playing well into their late 30's is a lot different then having 5 more years of dominant play from Getzlaf and Perry. Everyone is probably expecting Getzlaf and Perry to be solid players in their mid 30's. Expecting them to be dominant at that time though is a lot different. Iginla was dominant as a 31 year old, not as a 35 year old. The Sedins were dominant as 31 year olds, not as 35 year olds. Both Calgary and Vancouver took downward spirals as their dominant star players began to fade. Even the unusual case of Jagr, who was dominant as 33 year old, slowed down considerably by 35 before he left the NHL.

 

[TripleDekeGloveSide]

Hell yeah! I'd love to offersheet Lindholm. Get a Martinez Trade to WPG lined up and fire off an offersheet.

You're right the Sharks didn't end up offersheeting anyone last year, but it forced moves to happen.

Signing Rakell first means they don't have the money to sign Lindholm. If they get an offersheet today they have 7 days to pay some team to take their bad salaries. This will hurt returns.

You know the player has to sign the offer sheet right? You dont just throw a number out there and send it to the team. With McKenzie stating that Hampus wants to stay in Anaheim, I dont see him signing an offer sheet anywhere unless things go South very quick. It's just not easy to do this.

 

[Trolfoli]

I don't think ducks will move fowler. I believe there was a short window during the draft that if they could have gotten a top 10 pick and a roster player they would have done it. Now no way.

I expect depres or stoner to be moved shortly.

Despres 3.7
Stoner 3.25

It would take moving both not just one to get Lindholm signed.

 

[Curufinwe]

I don't think ducks will move fowler. I believe there was a short window during the draft that if they could have gotten a top 10 pick and a roster player they would have done it. Now no way.

I expect depres or stoner to be moved shortly.

Any chance they would ask Bieska to waive his NMC? He would actually be better fit than Stoner or Despres for a team like the Flyers who have an open protection slot for a dman, and no RHD apart from Gudas.

 

[Trolfoli]

You know the player has to sign the offer sheet right? You dont just throw a number out there and send it to the team. With McKenzie stating that Hampus wants to stay in Anaheim, I dont see him signing an offer sheet anywhere unless things go South very quick. It's just not easy to do this.

At this point Lindholm is losing money by not playing. He probably isn't happy that his GM didn't leave enough space for his contract and expects him to take a discount.

Just curious, how much money is Lindholm losing on a daily basis, assuming he's going to sign around 6AAV? What's the $ on good faith with his team that didn't value him enough to plan ahead.

 

[Maukkis]

No Trouba.

Just MDZ for a 2nd. You even could make it conditional on him playing 50+ games.

Oh, I guess I'm getting used to that proposal. Wouldn't be too opposed to that, but MDZ is injured, so not happening for a while.

I thought Bieksa isn't waiving at all, so the chances of him getting traded are close to zero. Which is very good.

 

[Maukkis]

At this point Lindholm is losing money by not playing. He probably isn't happy that his GM didn't leave enough space for his contract and expects him to take a discount.

Just curious, how much money is Lindholm losing on a daily basis, assuming he's going to sign around 6AAV? What's the $ on good faith with his team that didn't value him enough to plan ahead.

A defenseman who would be making 5 million a year would lose about 27-28k per day (how do I know that? Don't ask...) so multiply that by 1,2 and you'll get the answer.

 

[Trolfoli]

A defenseman who would be making 5 million a year would lose about 27-28k per day (how do I know that? Don't ask...) so multiply that by 1,2 and you'll get the answer.

Season is about 180 days, 5,000,000/180.... give or take.

 

[TripleDekeGloveSide]

At this point Lindholm is losing money by not playing. He probably isn't happy that his GM didn't leave enough space for his contract and expects him to take a discount.

Just curious, how much money is Lindholm losing on a daily basis, assuming he's going to sign around 6AAV? What's the $ on good faith with his team that didn't value him enough to plan ahead.

At this point, no matter who he signs with he is losing money. And Lindholm could have signed an extension before July like other players do and wouldnt be in this situation. He decided not to. If I were lIndholm Id be blaming my agent as much as I would blame GMBM and the Ducks.

Now with Ricky signed, Lindholm wont be far behind. Cant have Timon without Pumba.

 

[Maukkis]

Season is about 180 days, 5,000,000/180.... give or take.

Well, I kind of thought that you would have made the math yourself, but apparently I was wrong.

6 AAV player who holds out loses a bit over 33 thousand dollars per day spent unsigned.

 

[wintersej]

So why not use other RFAs who were in a similar position when signing their deals? Jones, Ristolainen, Rielly etc.

Suter isn't any sort of comparable here, he was the top UFA on the market, and was already proven as a #1. Completely different scenario.

Totally agree, but, let's be honest Lindholm is closer to Ekblad than Hamilton when you look at comparables. Him asking for 6-6.5 is TOTALLY reasonable in context of Ekblad, Hamilton, Jones, Risto, etc. He is better than all those guys sans Ekblad.

 

[Trolfoli]

At this point, no matter who he signs with he is losing money. And Lindholm could have signed an extension before July like other players do and wouldnt be in this situation. He decided not to. If I were lIndholm Id be blaming my agent as much as I would blame GMBM and the Ducks.

Now with Ricky signed, Lindholm wont be far behind. Cant have Timon without Pumba.

If I'm Lindholm I'm blaming the Ducks GM for handing out contracts to guys like Stoner/Bieksa/Bernier over me. It isn't Lindholm's responsibility to take a discount to allow for the team to stock up on bad contracts.

 

[Trolfoli]

Well, I kind of thought that you would have made the math yourself, but apparently I was wrong.

6 AAV player who holds out loses a bit over 33 thousand dollars per day spent unsigned.

Wasn't 100% on how exactly it was calculated.... or the actual length of the season. Figured I'd ask before throwing out guesses.

 

[wintersej]

If someone offered Lindholm 6x6.25 today it would only be 1st + 2nd + 3rd compensation. How could the Ducks match?

 

[Gliff]

If someone offered Lindholm 6x6.25 today it would only be 1st + 2nd + 3rd compensation. How could the Ducks match?

Easily.

 

[JetsHomer]

Easily.

The Ducks can't even afford to offer Lindholm and league minimum contract.

 

[Maukkis]

Easily.

And then forfeit the next game, as they are over the cap?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The Ducks can't even afford to offer Lindholm and league minimum contract.

And yet there are so many offer sheets being signed by lindholm right now

People have been threatening offer sheets all off season and none have come up yet.

 

[tsanuri]

The Ducks can't even afford to offer Lindholm and league minimum contract.

Yes they can.
They have one too many contacts on the team and a player on IR.
If that player could be moved to LTIR that is another almost 2M right there as well. Which could bide some time.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

And then forfeit the next game, as they are over the cap?

Pretty sure we have 7 days to make moves and a decision at the same time lindholm has to sign the os, so who has the picks available, the money available and a team that lindholm would consider signing for.

 

[wintersej]

And yet there are so many offer sheets being signed by lindholm right now

People have been threatening offer sheets all off season and none have come up yet.

This is the first moment the Ducks can't match...

 

[JetsHomer]

Pretty sure we have 7 days to make moves and a decision at the same time lindholm has to sign the os, so who has the picks available, the money available and a team that lindholm would consider signing for.

The Jets. Their biggest need also happens to be a top pairing LD

 

[xxreact9]

The Jets. Their biggest need also happens to be a top pairing LD

Lindholm fills a need for all 30 teams in the league.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The Jets. Their biggest need also happens to be a top pairing LD

And lindholm would sign there because....

 

[Fourier]

Easily.

Timing is what makes this hard. In the offseason they simply make the match and work hard to shed salary. At this point they would need to find dance partners willing to take on a lot of salary fast. That could be a costly exercise as there are only a few options out there. As of today there are only 7 teams with $3M+ in cap space. The Ducks would probably have to shed nearly $5M in cap space to make this work.