OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Whats a Running Back? Does it make the Steel Steeler?

[Josey Wales]

Matt Canada is Not Qualified

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Is anyone but Tomlin defending Canada anymore?

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Sure but "establish the run" means running on 1st and 2nd down for 1-2 yards and ending up with 3rd and 7 regardless.

It's dumb football. Unless you have a great OL, which we do not. And we have Najee, who kinda sucks.

I am not suggesting run it on every 1st and 2nd down but they do have to “establish” some kind of run game. The line can’t pass block either and it’s going to get KP or whoever is in killed. He took some big shots Monday night. I thought the OL was supposed to be improved. So much for that

 

[ChaosAgent]

I am not suggesting run it on every 1st and 2nd down but they do have to “establish” some kind of run game. The line can’t pass block either and it’s going to get KP or whoever is in killed. He took some big shots Monday night. I thought the OL was supposed to be improved. So much for that

Unless you are elite-elite-elite on the OL and at RB, like Cleveland was with Chubb, you will never make hay against 8-9 men in the box. Get 7 or fewer in there and you may succeed. But you have to pass first.

I'm fine with saying "the Steelers need to scheme blocking better and the line needs to win more matchups to run better." But 100% not, never, ever okay with saying "let's just make sure we're running the ball frequently on 1st and 2nd even if we're getting stuffed each time."
Because TBH when fans talk about establishing the run it sounds an awful lot like the 2nd sentence and not like the 1st.

 

[DanielPlainview]

It can all be true that the scheme sucks, the OL is underperforming, and Najee Harris has been a major letdown most of the time

 

[Andy99]

Lol…

 

[Mischa]

since canada isn't getting fired what if everyone says really nice things about him to trick some team like the jets to hire him as a head coach

 

[ChaosAgent]

Is anyone but Tomlin defending Canada anymore?

Rooney, I guess.

 

[WickedWrister]

"On early downs in the first half, if the Steelers are in shotgun, they are 92% pass (#2 highest rate).

If they are under center, they are 85% run (#4 highest rate). (Via Warren Sharp) #Steelers "

Just the height of predictability.

 

[DanielPlainview]

If they actually manage to get a first down in the first quarter Tomlin can use it as proof they're getting better

 

[ziggyjoe212]

As ive said before, there is no nfl caliber player development here. Any young QB is gonna look terrible when they have a terrible staff to work with. Unless you're a freak like TJ Watt, this is probably one of the worst places to be as far as learning "the craft" that goes back to the Clown.

When it comes to QBs, yes. But it sounds like you're referring to all positions, which is just an ignorant and stupid thing to say. Do you even follow the Steelers? Steelers have had the most pro bowlers in the league over the past 15 seasons. How many elite players have been drafted during Tomlin tenure? AB, Bell, Pouncey, DeCastro, Heyward, Watt, Highsmith, James Harrison, Timmons, Shazier.

 

[Night Shift]

When it comes to QBs, yes. But it sounds like you're referring to all positions, which is just an ignorant and stupid thing to say. Do you even follow the Steelers? Steelers have had the most pro bowlers in the league over the past 15 seasons. How many elite players have been drafted during Tomlin tenure? AB, Bell, Pouncey, DeCastro, Heyward, Watt, Highsmith, James Harrison, Timmons, Shazier.

James Harrison was Cowher's. Do you even follow this team??... HURR DURR.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

James Harrison was Cowher's. Do you even follow this team??... HURR DURR.

He was a practice squad guy until Tomlin got here. Tomlin may not have drafted him (neither did Cowher BTW) but Harrison became good after Tomlin was hired.

 

[Night Shift]

He was a practice squad guy until Tomlin got here. Tomlin may not have drafted him (neither did Cowher BTW) but Harrison became good after Tomlin was hired.

Uh huh.

 

[ziggyjoe212]

why? I agree he doesn't look good but you need to look deeper to see why. and everything comes back to coaching. imo

I don't think accuracy and decision making is necessarily an attribute that can be taught. When he's constantly making bad throws something is wrong.
Of course, if he played under McVay or Shanahan I'd expect better play from him. Coaching would certainly help a lot. But I don't think he would automatically unseat Purdy in SF either.

 

[Night Shift]

I don't think accuracy and decision making is necessarily an attribute that can be taught. When he's constantly making bad throws something is wrong.
Of course, if he played under McVay or Shanahan I'd expect better play from him. Coaching would certainly help a lot. But I don't think he would automatically unseat Purdy in SF either.

You just contradicted yourself there. Of course coaching helps.

All them probowlers you mentioned yet 1 SB they came close to blowing and 3 playoff wins in 11 years. It probably has to do with a Clown and all his friends.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Steelers OL Remains One Of NFL's Worst In Week 2 PFF Position Rankings

Two weeks, two rather disastrous performances from the Pittsburgh Steelers’ offensive line. Against the Cleveland Browns on Monday Night Football, Pittsburgh’s offensive line struggled to protect second-year quarterback Kenny Pickett and didn’t generate much running room for the second straight...

steelersdepot.com

Moore has given up 15!! pressures in only two weeks.

He’s obviously the worst O-lineman in that category in the entire league.

It’s like Tomlin never learns.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Is anyone but Tomlin defending Canada anymore?

Oh we have a couple people on here who do. But I believe 1 of them is a relative of Tomlin

 

[JTG]

"On early downs in the first half, if the Steelers are in shotgun, they are 92% pass (#2 highest rate).

If they are under center, they are 85% run (#4 highest rate). (Via Warren Sharp) #Steelers "

Just the height of predictability.

This has stuck out to me also, but I didn't know it was this telling. It totally makes sense too because it's like when we run or pass, the defense knows exactly what is happening and before Najee or Kenny even get the ball they already have hands on them.

 

[Night Shift]

Oh we have a couple people on here who do. But I believe 1 of them is a relative of Tomlin

Tomlin's Platoon.

ZiggyJoe
Big daddy
WheresRamziAbid
Factorial
bambamcam
Too many Humans
Smoke

I think that's all of em.

 

[Night Shift]

It’s like Tomlin never learns.

But But But....HE DRAFTED ALL THOSE PROWBOWLERS YEARS AGO, then did nothing with it.

So he's good right guise?

 

[JTG]

Steelers OL Remains One Of NFL's Worst In Week 2 PFF Position Rankings

Two weeks, two rather disastrous performances from the Pittsburgh Steelers’ offensive line. Against the Cleveland Browns on Monday Night Football, Pittsburgh’s offensive line struggled to protect second-year quarterback Kenny Pickett and didn’t generate much running room for the second straight...

steelersdepot.com

Moore has given up 15!! pressures in only two weeks.

He’s obviously the worst O-lineman in that category in the entire league.

It’s like Tomlin never learns.

Moore has been the worst offensive lineman in the league by a mile. 10 hurries. 15 pressures. 4 QB hits leads the league also. Only 1 sack somehow.

 

[OnMyOwn]

He sucked last year and I knew he’d suck again this year. It’s stupid we moved up for Jones and he doesn’t even play…over a guy he couldn’t possibly be any worse than.

 

[JTG]

Like I said yesterday, I don't think Jones getting thrown out there will hurt his development. The kid has a good head on his shoulders and he's so physically imposing that I think he will hold up just fine. I also have no faith in Pat Meyer as the OL coach. He has been here for 2 years and there has been no marked improvement of any offensive lineman we have had. If anything, they have regressed.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Like I said yesterday, I don't think Jones getting thrown out there will hurt his development. The kid has a good head on his shoulders and he's so physically imposing that I think he will hold up just fine. I also have no faith in Pat Meyer as the OL coach. He has been here for 2 years and there has been no marked improvement of any offensive lineman we have had. If anything, they have regressed.

I mean, I'm not sure how he could be any worse than what Moore put on tape

But this is my prediction:

- No changes to the starting lineups
- Steelers (and Moore) will look better bc LV has a crappy defense
- MT will focus on the results instead of the process and believe he's on the right track

Wash rinse repeat. We've seen this movie on rerun for 17 years