OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Whats a Running Back? Does it make the Steel Steeler?

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Im pretty sure that was the one Clown blamed on the snow. Like what NFL coach does that?

It wasn’t Canada’s fault or the coaching.. it was the ‘Twilight Zone’.

Detroit Lions tie Pittsburgh Steelers, 16-16, in comedy of errors: 'It's Twilight Zone'​

Detroit Lions tie Pittsburgh Steelers, 16-16, in comedy of errors: 'It's Twilight Zone'

Detroit Lions' Will Harris made sure they did not lose, forcing a fumble from Steelers TE Pat Freiermuth with eight seconds left in OT

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[JTG]

Of course the Oline is struggling, you can't just plug in 2-3 new guys and expect them to look good in week 2.

Calling Najee a power back is probably not accurate. He's certainly built like one, but he tries to run like he's a third down scat back. It's very, very frustrating.

The way this team is looking, they'll be taking off the redshirts by week 11

They have one new starter at LG who was a Pro Bowler. The issue with the line is Moore and Cole are getting destroyed.

 

[Josey Wales]

In terms of the long term health of the franchise, I think KP’s development is probably the most important issue.

Yes, they need to change a lot including nuking the coach’s room, but we all know they won’t, so this season is already cooked in my mind. I’m more concerned with the progression of what are supposed to be the next franchise players for the team, and the errors that KP is making are concerning no matter how bad the scheme is around him.

How bout HC Cliche' & High School OC Canada are r#tarding KP's Progress ? Good Lord Replaced Pejorative Sluring with Perjorative Slur???

 

[JTG]

Not to say that the criticisms are not justified.

However, it is only fair to point out that the Steelers played two of the top defenses in the league the first two weeks. That had to impact the ratings.


Maybe if teams believed that they had to defend further than three yards from the line of scrimmage on 99 percent of downs there might be more room to run.

Not so sure about that. Kenny and Najee are both getting touched behind the line consistently. Kenny wasn't even dropped back yet and he was getting tackled. Moore was standing there looking back at Kenny on the ground. He got smoked.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

In terms of the long term health of the franchise, I think KP’s development is probably the most important issue.

Yes, they need to change a lot including nuking the coach’s room, but we all know they won’t, so this season is already cooked in my mind. I’m more concerned with the progression of what are supposed to be the next franchise players for the team, and the errors that KP is making are concerning no matter how bad the scheme is around him.

And you will never find out if he’s the guy with Canada around.

It’s going to be impossible to tell if it’s KP regressing or the Canada Twilight Zone offense that can’t even beat the winless Lions.

Tomlin willfully wasted a season on a known shitty OC.

Not so sure about that. Kenny and Najee are both getting touched behind the line consistently. Kenny wasn't even dropped back yet and he was getting tackled. Moore was standing there looking back at Kenny on the ground. He got smoked.

Moore has escaped criticism of his poor play mostly because of all the attention on KP and Canada.

 

[SomeDude]

And you will never find out if he’s the guy with Canada around.

It’s going to be impossible to tell if it’s KP regressing or the Canada Twilight Zone offense that can’t even beat the winless Lions.

it’s the same offense (supposedly upgraded personnel at that) as last year and Kenny looks worse.

 

[Night Shift]

it’s the same offense (supposedly upgraded personnel at that) as last year and Kenny looks worse.

Because the film is now out on Kenny and the coaching staff is not capable of making adjustments. In fact, Tomlin during a game at halftime a year ago, quoted saying that he is above adjustments. And Canada isn't an NFL coordinator.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Because the film is now out on Kenny and the coaching staff is not capable of making adjustments. In fact, Tomlin during a game at halftime a year ago, quoted saying that he is above adjustments. And Canada isn't an NFL coordinator.

What adjustment can a coach do when the player can’t read zone can’t process pre snap does not trust his eyes

 

[Night Shift]

What adjustment can a coach do when the player can’t read zone can’t process pre snap does not trust his eyes

Did you miss the part where Orlosky questioned whether he was being taught correctly? That's my take too, he's not being taught.

 

[JTG]

And you will never find out if he’s the guy with Canada around.

It’s going to be impossible to tell if it’s KP regressing or the Canada Twilight Zone offense that can’t even beat the winless Lions.

Tomlin willfully wasted a season on a known shitty OC.



Moore has escaped criticism of his poor play mostly because of all the attention on KP and Canada.

Moore isn't good at LT. They really should consider trying him at RT, and if that doesn't work, try to flip him like we did with Green and Dotson. We are better off starting Jones and letting him have growing pains than this disaster that is currently occurring.

I'd also try Herbig or Daniels at center. Both have done it. Cole has had a really tough time.

Not to rub it in, but Quinn Meinerz is the 5th ranked offensive lineman according to PFF. None of our offensive linemen grade out as even replacement level right now.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Did you miss the part where Orlosky questioned whether he was being taught correctly? That's my take too, he's not being taught.

And yet in pre season he was taking the deep shots on one with GP he had the throw to Muth he didn’t attempt last season so the coaching change since pre season

 

[Coastal Kev]

What adjustment can a coach do when the player can’t read zone can’t process pre snap does not trust his eyes

Uh..... then that coach should make a change. Take a look at Canada's resume and explain in detail what qualifies him to be 1 of 32 OC's in the NFL.

 

[Josey Wales]

Did you miss the part where Orlosky questioned whether he was being taught correctly? That's my take too, he's not being taught.

because People only hear what they want

 

[metalan2]

This situation reminds so much of the Penguins with Mike Johnston. You were rooting for them to succeed and fail att he same time, like kind of win, but win badly so they would still fire the coach somehow. Like, you know the team has talent, but you also know it can never win with Matt Canada running the offense, same feeling from the Johnston era.

So I have feeling if it does happen and it isn't too late, we can go on a serious run. It will seriously change everything for this team.

I'm expecting the Steelers to go 1 and 1 the next two and just barely getting a win prompting some serious heat to make a change.

The amount of national pressure is something as well. It's a full court press from every angle clowning the Steelers for having this coordinator. The Steeler way sucks and it's wasting years. Time to change now.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

who was the OC in 19? Wasn't a fan of RF, but compared to Canada...........

Again, RF's offense is essentially the same as Canada's bc Tomlin concocts the offensive philosophy as such. You have to go back to around 2017 before you'll see any noticeable differences in scheme/design

 

[ChaosAgent]

Uh..... then that coach should make a change. Take a look at Canada's resume and explain in detail what qualifies him to be 1 of 32 OC's in the NFL.

Good year at Pitt
Gave Tomlin's son a scholly
Tomlin does not like hotshot coordinators. Threat to him.

Boom there are your qualifications.
Hiring Canada in the first place is a scandal.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

it’s the same offense (supposedly upgraded personnel at that) as last year and Kenny looks worse.

Because they could run the ball for the last half dozen games or so last season and played shitty Ds.

That generally helps a young QB vs having no run game and playing top tier Ds.

Browns shut down Burrow in the opener and he had like 85 yards passing and completed 45% of his passes.

Their secondary is no joke, especially when they don’t have to worry about supporting agt the run.

If they ever run the ball well again and KP struggles agt mediocre Ds, then I’ll worry some.

This offense is run so poorly that the Browns confused them by using 5 DL and the Steelers had no answer…

Like it was some revolutionary concept like what the f***?

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Moore isn't good at LT. They really should consider trying him at RT, and if that doesn't work, try to flip him like we did with Green and Dotson. We are better off starting Jones and letting him have growing pains than this disaster that is currently occurring.

I'd also try Herbig or Daniels at center. Both have done it. Cole has had a really tough time.

Not to rub it in, but Quinn Meinerz is the 5th ranked offensive lineman according to PFF. None of our offensive linemen grade out as even replacement level right now.

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Moore was a train wreck when he shifted to RT during the SF game.

He even said he struggles on that side.

He basically should get on with being a backup LT, but Tomlin.

 

[The Old Master]

Not to say that the criticisms are not justified.

However, it is only fair to point out that the Steelers played two of the top defenses in the league the first two weeks. That had to impact the ratings.


Maybe if teams believed that they had to defend further than three yards from the line of scrimmage on 99 percent of downs there might be more room to run.

that's where/when your weaknesses are going to be exposed. not against some weak team. and we are going to need to beat them sometime.

 

[JTG]

Moore was a train wreck when he shifted to RT during the SF game.

He even said he struggles on that side.

He basically should get on with being a backup LT, but Tomlin.

He's really not even backup quality though. He is getting blown by guys on either side and doesn't even get a chip on them. It's comical at this point until he gets Kenny killed.

 

[TNT87]

The OL has been abysmal. The offense will continue to be a joke with Canada. Everyone sees it except....

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Yeah, "a running game" is not going to save us. We need to stop the 8-9 man in the box first.

No but it would help. It’s hard to win football games when you are facing 3rd and 7-10 yards every single time. They have no choice but to pass and everyone knows it.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

He's really not even backup quality though. He is getting blown by guys on either side and doesn't even get a chip on them. It's comical at this point until he gets Kenny killed.

Jones should be in and let him take his lumps.

Maybe get Herbig in at C.

I won’t say it can’t get any worse because Tomlin is the coach, but see what happens.

The OL has been abysmal. The offense will continue to be a joke with Canada. Everyone sees it except....

Because Tomlin is enabled by Rooney.

When you don’t fear for your job and have to meet high expectations, this is the end result.

 

[ChaosAgent]

No but it would help. It’s hard to win football games when you are facing 3rd and 7-10 yards every single time. They have no choice but to pass and everyone knows it.

Sure but "establish the run" means running on 1st and 2nd down for 1-2 yards and ending up with 3rd and 7 regardless.

It's dumb football. Unless you have a great OL, which we do not. And we have Najee, who kinda sucks.

 

[JTG]

Jones should be in and let him take his lumps.

Maybe get Herbig in at C.

I won’t say it can’t get any worse because Tomlin is the coach, but see what happens.



Because Tomlin is enabled by Rooney.

When you don’t fest for your job and have to meet high expectations, this is the end result.

For me right now I'd make the following changes at least - Benton starting at DT. Porter starting at corner. Jones starting at LT. Herbig starting at C or move Daniels to C and let Herbig be RG. Give little Herbig more than 17 snaps. TJ and Highsmith have been WORKED. 17 snaps for a dude who has done nothing put produce? Get him the f*** in there.