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OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!
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Buddy Bizarre
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I love how other teams can fire underperforming OC's, but we cannot
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38790836/las-vegas-raiders-fire-coach-josh-mcdaniels-gm-david-ziegler
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38790836/las-vegas-raiders-fire-coach-josh-mcdaniels-gm-david-ziegler
Mr Jiggyfly
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The reimagining of how Hurts and Tua were perceived after year two is comical… please.
Eagles and Dolphins knew their QBs were floundering and big changes had to happen.
KP’s ceiling is supposedly a game manager, so I’m not sure how anyone thinks this mess is getting fixed if Tomlin/Kahn/AR2 convince themselves the status quo will work.
- They brought in Cole, he’s been a disaster at C.
- They brought in Seumalo and he’s been bad.
- They moved up for a LT and played him in one game, while Moore has had exactly one good game all season.
- They have had a bottom 5 rushing “attack” since 2018.
- Their leading receiver the last three years has avg 10 YPC… going back to 1950 not a single Steeler WR that has lead them in receiving yards has ever posted such a pathetic YPC… and DJ has done it three years running.
- They have one of the worst OCs in franchise history and Tomlin thought it was a good idea to keep him in another season because uh… he’s the smartest guy in the room.
All this team has going for it on offense is GP, and he’s a guy who has trouble creating separation.
4 QBs have struggled with this O, and only Roth calling his own plays and doing his schoolyard shit worked.
If you can’t run, have a shitty OC and lack dynamic playmakers on O, this is what you get - a historically bad O.
Eagles and Dolphins knew their QBs were floundering and big changes had to happen.
KP’s ceiling is supposedly a game manager, so I’m not sure how anyone thinks this mess is getting fixed if Tomlin/Kahn/AR2 convince themselves the status quo will work.
- They brought in Cole, he’s been a disaster at C.
- They brought in Seumalo and he’s been bad.
- They moved up for a LT and played him in one game, while Moore has had exactly one good game all season.
- They have had a bottom 5 rushing “attack” since 2018.
- Their leading receiver the last three years has avg 10 YPC… going back to 1950 not a single Steeler WR that has lead them in receiving yards has ever posted such a pathetic YPC… and DJ has done it three years running.
- They have one of the worst OCs in franchise history and Tomlin thought it was a good idea to keep him in another season because uh… he’s the smartest guy in the room.
All this team has going for it on offense is GP, and he’s a guy who has trouble creating separation.
4 QBs have struggled with this O, and only Roth calling his own plays and doing his schoolyard shit worked.
If you can’t run, have a shitty OC and lack dynamic playmakers on O, this is what you get - a historically bad O.
Coastal Kev
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I’ve seen true A+ QB prospects have their careers destroyed from bad coaching and horrific line play. You start getting hit by free running opponents, your brain goes into self preservation mode at the subconscious level. And there’s nothing the conscious body can do to change it.
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I'm still not nervous about Kenny because I have seen this before.
I know why they drafted him. If you go back to that draft year, I was vehemently against drafting Pickett - I thought Tyler Linderbaum should have been the pick. I'm all but certain Kenny would have been there in the 2nd.
I know why they drafted him. If you go back to that draft year, I was vehemently against drafting Pickett - I thought Tyler Linderbaum should have been the pick. I'm all but certain Kenny would have been there in the 2nd.
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Yeah I was curious of the actual numbers they put up in their first two years.
Hurts: 4,205 yards , 22 TDs/13 INTs plus another 1,138 rushing yards and 13 rushing TDs.
Tua: 4,465 yards, 27 TDs/15 INTs plus another 6 rushing TDs.
Pickett (around the same number of games player so far but not a perfect comparison still): 3,734 yards, 12 TDs/13 INTs plus another 4 rushing TDs.
So hopefully Pickett can take a leap if they get him a real OC but it’ll definitely be a bigger leap than Hurts or Tua had to take. At this point, I’d just roll him for another year because I don’t see a scenario where they could get a sure fire upgrade without being insanely aggressive.
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David Carr
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Steelers' Pickett 'playing for sure' against Titans
During his media availability on Tuesday afternoon, Pittsburgh quarterback Kenny Pickett left no doubt he would start Thursday night's game against the Titans, despite exiting at halftime of the Steelers' loss to the Jaguars with injured ribs Sunday.
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You are missing the forest.
If you can’t run the ball going on five years now, have little in the way of dynamic playmakers, and your o-line is a disaster, how exactly is this team going to develop any young QBs?
Steelers won’t be picking top five any time soon, and even if it magically happened for the first time in 50 years, do you really think this is a healthy situation for a young QB to walk into?
Any young QB they get next will have to carry the offense on his back, which is a recipe for disaster.
What is their offense philosophy?
To uh, run the ball badly and build the passing game around a small, slow WR?
I can’t believe with such a sound philosophy it’s been failing for 4-5 years now!
As I keep saying, the rot in this org, most especially this historically inept offense, goes right to Tomlin.
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There’s 7 Qbs in this draft who are better than KP. Ridder in his class is on the way to being benched for Henike if Washington doesn’t still with Howell his class is a bust. I wanted Ridder over Kp
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The evaluation of Pickett from some Steelers fans is so lazy. Yes, his numbers aren’t great, but in what world did the Steelers even remotely put him in a position to succeed? Pickett’s upside is realistically only a game manager caliber QB, but he’s being put on a team with a completely dysfunctional offense and being asked to carry it. Of course that’s not going to work.
Put Pickett on San Francisco and he’s likely just as good as Purdy is, which is a complement because I think highly of Purdy. Is that worth a 1st round pick? Perhaps not, but that’s still a legitimate NFL starter.
Put Pickett on San Francisco and he’s likely just as good as Purdy is, which is a complement because I think highly of Purdy. Is that worth a 1st round pick? Perhaps not, but that’s still a legitimate NFL starter.
Coastal Kev
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And respectfully…. You couldn‘t be any more wrong. Put Ridder in for KP and the Steelers are possibly 0-7
The team has to actually feel the OC is underperforming for them to want to fire him
bigdaddyk88
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I don’t think the record changes at all. Ridder is setting at 6-6 interceptions to td KP should have 6 interceptions this season but has gotten lucky and has 4. Ridder had more passing yards he has 2 games over 100 QBR KP just 1 this season
They are all they same
Empoleon8771
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Comparing the rushing game for the Steelers and Falcons:
2023: 10th in rushing yards for Falcons, 28th for Steelers
2022: 3rd in rushing yards for Falcons, 16th for Steelers
Man I can't figure out a reason why Ridder may have better numbers than Pickett. Absolutely doesn't have to do with the fact that Atlanta has Bijan Robinson as a RB and a top-10 offensive line, which makes teams need to respect their rushing game more and opens up opportunities for their passing game. Absolutely not.
2023: 10th in rushing yards for Falcons, 28th for Steelers
2022: 3rd in rushing yards for Falcons, 16th for Steelers
Man I can't figure out a reason why Ridder may have better numbers than Pickett. Absolutely doesn't have to do with the fact that Atlanta has Bijan Robinson as a RB and a top-10 offensive line, which makes teams need to respect their rushing game more and opens up opportunities for their passing game. Absolutely not.
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You think any of them are coming into this situation and doing well?
A young QB needs good coaching... nope.
A young QB needs a good O-line... nope.
A young QB needs a good running game... nope.
Tomlin has had over five years now to fix the running game and it's actually gotten even worse than 2018.
Point being, Roth was a massive band-aid for years that covered up Tomlin's ineptness on the offensive side of the ball.
If you or anyone else thinks there is some magic unicorn QB that fixes all these problems, pass me the pipe bro.
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Those Hurts stats are in 30 games over two seasons. Tua over 23 games.
Kenny has played 20. So 200 yards~ over the next three games gets him right at Tua's yards.
Based on all that, the only area KP is lacking is really in touchdowns.
Yes, they are all the same age, so someone's going to say well, Kenny shouldn't need time to develop. I get that time is shorter with Kenny but I don't think that means that he shouldn't get the benefit of two years of pro coaching, practice and game speed.
I'm also going to go ahead and point out that both Hurts and Tua had head coaching changes over their first two years, both bright, young offensive minds, in addition to adding a major threat at receiver.
This is not me blindly defending Pickett. I didn't go to Pitt, I don't live in the area, my family history is PSU. I'm just using the info provided to continue a conversation.
Mr Jiggyfly
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People can wish KP gone, but that again is the same as wishing Canada gone and thinking everything will suddenly get better just because.
Way too many people ignoring where the real issue lies.
I grew up a Penn State fan, and despise Pitt to my core, so I should be all in on hating KP.
Hurts only started 19 games so outside of maybe a few rushing opportunities in other games, it’s a pretty close comp. He definitely had the coaching advantage year two though. Tua started 21 it looks like and I would argue that touchdowns are kind of important. Really the best way to do any comp would be a per pass attempt.
And Tua still had Flores as his coach year 2, who was in a power struggle with ownership and also threw Tua under the bus any chance he got because he didn’t want him as his QB. Tua was in an awful situation his first couple of years.
Like I said before, I’m down with giving Pickett a year 3. I can’t say I’m as optimistic about him as I was prior to the season, but time will tell.
There’s a rumor floating around Twitter that Broderick Jones is going to get the start tomorrow…at RT.
NewAgeOutlaw
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People actually argued with me when I said Kenny is getting more rope with the Steelers fanbase than any other qb would lol.
People here are blaming DJ's YPC for Kenny sucking lol when Kenny has cost DJ 2 td's this season alone because he absolutely cannot throw accurately over the middle.
Also somebody needs to explain to me the magic that makes the bad offensive scheme harm Kenny's passing efficiency numbers but also has 0 effect on DJ's production. Presumably it involves Harry Potter.
People here are blaming DJ's YPC for Kenny sucking lol when Kenny has cost DJ 2 td's this season alone because he absolutely cannot throw accurately over the middle.
Also somebody needs to explain to me the magic that makes the bad offensive scheme harm Kenny's passing efficiency numbers but also has 0 effect on DJ's production. Presumably it involves Harry Potter.
Goalie_Bob
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Howell's stats would say otherwise. Howell has had games with 249, 290, 299, 388, 397 yards in 8 games this season. Howell has thrown 2+ TDs in 4 of the games (including a 3TD and 4TD game, Kenny has one game in 20 starts where he has thrown more than one TD, that was 2TDs.
| Game Game | CMP% Completions percentage | YDS Passing yards | TD Passing touchdowns | INT Interceptions thrown | Rating Passer rating |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Oct 29 vs Eagles | 75.0 | 397 | 4 | 1 | 114.0 |
| Oct 22 @ Giants | 52.4 | 249 | 0 | 1 | 60.5 |
| Oct 15 @ Falcons | 60.9 | 151 | 3 | 0 | 119.7 |
| Oct 5 vs Bears | 72.5 | 388 | 2 | 1 | 99.1 |
| Oct 1 @ Eagles | 70.7 | 290 | 1 | 0 | 98.6 |
| Sep 24 vs Bills | 65.5 | 170 | 0 | 4 | 41.5 |
| Sep 17 @ Broncos | 69.2 | 299 | 2 | 0 | 108.8 |
| Sep 10 vs Cardinals | 61.3 | 202 | 1 | 1 | 77.6 |
| Regular Season | 66.9 | 2,146 | 13 | 8 | 90.1 |
Mr Jiggyfly
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Apparently KP hid in the locker room on Saturdays and caused DJ to have woeful YPC, cool.
DJ's career YPC is 10.8... in 65 games.
KP has been his QB for 20 games.
DJ had 10.5 YPC in 2020 and 10.9 YPC in 2021.
Last I checked, KP was playing at Pitt during that time.
Maybe, DJ is the only Steelers receiving yardage leader to avg under 11 YPC in over 75 years because... wait for it... he's small and slow.
That simply can't be it!
The route running!
DJ's career YPC is 10.8... in 65 games.
KP has been his QB for 20 games.
DJ had 10.5 YPC in 2020 and 10.9 YPC in 2021.
Last I checked, KP was playing at Pitt during that time.
Maybe, DJ is the only Steelers receiving yardage leader to avg under 11 YPC in over 75 years because... wait for it... he's small and slow.
That simply can't be it!
The route running!
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