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If you want to go back to the bye week last year, Pickett in his last 14 starts:

-Record: 10-4
-TDs: 12 (10 passing, 2 rushing)
-INTs: 5
-Completion%: 60.05%
-Passing yards per game: 210 (taking out the game where Pickett got injured early)

I don't think this performance is anything super noteworthy, it's a decent QB performance with a record propped up by the defense. But with that being said, it's really bizarre to knock him for not having a good enough record when this team has a playoff caliber record with him as the starting QB. Especially considering this team is a mess offensively and probably doesn't deserve to be a playoff team.

Do you expect this team to be 14-0 with Pickett as a starter over that window? A 10-4 record over that stretch is insanely good, especially because this team doesn't feel like anything even remotely close to a 10-4 caliber team.
 
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Pengwins said:
and one of their top defensive players left the game early (Chop Robinson)

doubt they will beat Michigan since Michigan is much better than OSU this year

how did LT Dan Moore play? couldnt tell since I was in the upperdeck
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Moore was surprisingly good most of the game. Can probably say that for almost everyone EXCEPT Selamou

They should consider replacing him and put Jones at LG. Put your best 5 and let them figure it out

Another stat:

This team has gone 4-2 allowing 350+ yards of total offense in every game, and a 100+ yard receiver in all but one of them, additionally holding a -24 point differential for the season. We are a walking statistical anomaly With horseshoes literally falling out of our asses.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
If you want to go back to the bye week last year, Pickett in his last 14 starts:

-Record: 10-4
-TDs: 12 (10 passing, 2 rushing)
-INTs: 5
-Completion%: 60.05%
-Passing yards per game: 210 (taking out the game where Pickett got injured early)

I don't think this performance is anything super noteworthy, it's a decent QB performance with a record propped up by the defense. But with that being said, it's really bizarre to knock him for not having a good enough record when this team has a playoff caliber record with him as the starting QB. Especially considering this team is a mess offensively and probably doesn't deserve to be a playoff team.

Do you expect this team to be 14-0 with Pickett as a starter over that window? A 10-4 record over that stretch is insanely good, especially because this team doesn't feel like anything even remotely close to a 10-4 caliber team.
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10 passing TDs in 14 games is actually pretty noteworthy, just not for good reasons :laugh:

I don't think that quote was saying he has a bad record, though. It was saying it would be better if he/they played like it was the 4th quarter all the time. It can't get much better, but it probably would be better.
 
pistolpete11 said:
10 passing TDs in 14 games is actually pretty noteworthy, just not for good reasons :laugh:

I don't think that quote was saying he has a bad record, though. It was saying it would be better if he/they played like it was the 4th quarter all the time. It can't get much better, but it probably would be better.
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Idk I just have a tough time bringing up the record as a point of criticism for Pickett when his record is already likely way better than the current state of this team.

Bringing up being under 1 passing touchdown per game makes a hell of a lot more sense to me as an area to criticize Pickett for. The team is already wildly overperforming their abilities with their record since the bye week last year IMO.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
Idk I just have a tough time bringing up the record as a point of criticism for Pickett when his record is already likely way better than the current state of this team.

Bringing up being under 1 passing touchdown per game makes a hell of a lot more sense to me as an area to criticize Pickett for. The team is already wildly overperforming their abilities with their record since the bye week last year IMO.
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I hate throwing out records as justifications for QB's, goalies or starting pitchers. They have no control over their own defense.

If you were to tell me that KP would average less than 1 throwing TD per game through ~19 games I think I probably would say that was my expectation considering how this offense is designed (ie conservative)

What I didn't expect is to have so few rushing TDs by the RBs at this point of the season
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
I hate throwing out records as justifications for QB's, goalies or starting pitchers. They have no control over their own defense.

If you were to tell me that KP would average less than 1 throwing TD per game through ~19 games I think I probably would say that was my expectation considering how this offense is designed (ie conservative)

What I didn't expect is to have so few rushing TDs by the RBs at this point of the season
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I firmly stand by the idea that if this team had a rushing game, the outlook of this team would be wildly different. It wouldn't be "this team sucks but they keep winning games", they'd be one of the top teams in the AFC. Even if their record wouldn't change much (they'd still be 4-2 with a strong running game this year), I'd be a lot more confident in the record of this team being an accurate representation of the team.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
If you want to go back to the bye week last year, Pickett in his last 14 starts:

-Record: 10-4
-TDs: 12 (10 passing, 2 rushing)
-INTs: 5
-Completion%: 60.05%
-Passing yards per game: 210 (taking out the game where Pickett got injured early)

I don't think this performance is anything super noteworthy, it's a decent QB performance with a record propped up by the defense. But with that being said, it's really bizarre to knock him for not having a good enough record when this team has a playoff caliber record with him as the starting QB. Especially considering this team is a mess offensively and probably doesn't deserve to be a playoff team.

Do you expect this team to be 14-0 with Pickett as a starter over that window? A 10-4 record over that stretch is insanely good, especially because this team doesn't feel like anything even remotely close to a 10-4 caliber team.
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I really do think Pickett is going to take his entire rookie contract before he truly develops into a legit quality starting QB in the NFL. The 5th year is going to be awkward and there will be a lot of hem-hawing about whether to keep him or move on amongst the fanbase. I think the front office is going to ride with him though for 8 or 9 years and then make a decision, unless they get in a Ben situation where a guy falls and he is way too good to pass up.

Buddy Bizarre said:
Moore was surprisingly good most of the game. Can probably say that for almost everyone EXCEPT Selamou

They should consider replacing him and put Jones at LG. Put your best 5 and let them figure it out

Another stat:

This team has gone 4-2 allowing 350+ yards of total offense in every game, and a 100+ yard receiver in all but one of them, additionally holding a -24 point differential for the season. We are a walking statistical anomaly With horseshoes literally falling out of our asses.
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Seumalo was directly responsible for Warren's TD. That being said, I have been unimpressed, but he is flanked on either side by what can only be described as below the bar LT and C. Cole this year is our worst legit center I can remember aside from Sean Mahan - I didn't ever consider Kendrick Green a center, to be fair. I also don't think Seumalo is a good fit for this offense. If they played a power offense, this line would be infinitely better. They are big, long guys who would be best served to hike the ball and get after it. That's just never going to happen here. If I were an offensive lineman I'd avoid this place like the plague because you're not going to look good here.
 
JTG said:
Seumalo was directly responsible for Warren's TD. That being said, I have been unimpressed, but he is flanked on either side by what can only be described as below the bar LT and C. I also don't think he's a good fit for this offense. If they played a power offense, this line would be infinitely better. They are big, long guys who would be best served to hike the ball and get after it. That's just never going to happen here. If I were an offensive lineman I'd avoid this place like the plague because you're not going to look good here.
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I give him credit for Warren's TD, but outside of that he was a steaming pile of shit. He was literally pushed backwards and somersaulted backwards towards Pickett. I'll see if I can find the link.

Check out the QB sneak...this should be his bread and butter. Instead he gets shoved straight down and face plants allowing the defender to get into the QB.

He's going to get KP killed.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
I firmly stand by the idea that if this team had a rushing game, the outlook of this team would be wildly different. It wouldn't be "this team sucks but they keep winning games", they'd be one of the top teams in the AFC. Even if their record wouldn't change much (they'd still be 4-2 with a strong running game this year), I'd be a lot more confident in the record of this team being an accurate representation of the team.
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Play action. Fully convinced that if they inserted play action it would give everyone the time they need. The fact is, the offense can be defended against so easily because the tells are there - shotgun-pass, under center-run. We see it as fans. Guys who dedicate their livelihoods to this can even take it a step further, I'm sure, where they even know what side they are running to and where our blockers are going to be. It's why Kenny is constantly under duress when he drops back to pass and the Rams in the first quarter had 4 or 5 plays where blitzers weren't even touched before they got to him.

Buddy Bizarre said:
I give him credit for Warren's TD, but outside of that he was a steaming pile of shit. He was literally pushed backwards and somersaulted backwards towards Pickett. I'll see if I can find the link.

Check out the QB sneak...this should be his bread and butter. Instead he gets shoved straight down and face plants allowing the defender to get into the QB.

He's going to get KP killed.
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I think they are all going to get him killed. The entire line has been below the bar and no one is going to convince me otherwise. I also recognize the fact that they aren't being put in positions to succeed. You know they are looking at the stats posted above and believing they are where they need to be offensively because of the record and it is so far from t he truth.
 
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Well, if Khan whiffed on both Semuelo and Pat Pete, it's fair to calm down on the slobbery. Though at least he didn't burn a 1st on Najee Harris lol
 
ChaosAgent said:
Well, if Khan whiffed on both Semuelo and Pat Pete, it's fair to calm down on the slobbery. Though at least he didn't burn a 1st on Najee Harris lol
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I think Semu would be fine in a different scheme. That's why things look so disjointed
Just focusing on the left side

Moore - better zone blocker
Semu - power
Cole - zone blocker

Harris - power
Warren - Zone


Just too many mismatched parts to get any identity or success. They smartly like to run left but the defense also knows this.
 
Buddy Bizarre said:
Here's some terrible LG play. Dude is atrocious pass blocking

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6:48
10:03

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Two things - Seumalo was handling Aaron Donald, which he makes many guys look like that. The last play Moore tripped him. I'm not sticking up for him, but I just don't think Seumalo is the issue right now.
 
JTG said:
Two things - Seumalo was handling Aaron Donald, which he makes many guys look like that. The last play Moore tripped him. I'm not sticking up for him, but I just don't think Seumalo is the issue right now.
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We'll disagree here. From a pass blocking perspective Semu is the #1 issue on the Oline. Dan Moore #2 even with his decent game yesterday.
 
Buddy Bizarre said:
We'll disagree here. From a pass blocking perspective Semu is the #1 issue on the Oline. Dan Moore #2 even with his decent game yesterday.
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I think Cole is 1. Moore is 2. The line I have always believed starts from the inside out. If you can get push from your C and G's, you will succeed. Cole gets killed consistently.
 
ChaosAgent said:
Well, if Khan whiffed on both Semuelo and Pat Pete, it's fair to calm down on the slobbery. Though at least he didn't burn a 1st on Najee Harris lol
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I’ll give him a pass on Semuelo. Universally praised and you can’t say it’s just the GM not knowing he’d be a bad scheme fit either. Dude has simply not been the player he was in Philly.

Sutton out and Pat Pete in looks worse than I what I thought worst-case could be :laugh:. That one is on management for sure.
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
I’ll give him a pass on Semuelo. Universally praised and you can’t say it’s just the GM not knowing he’d be a bad scheme fit either. Dude has simply not been the player he was in Philly.

Sutton out and Pat Pete in looks worse than I what I thought worst-case could be :laugh:. That one is on management for sure.
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Eh I'm not going to rake Wedl over the coles for this. We knew Pat Pete had lost a step and he's getting more safety play recently so he'll be where he needs to be.

And Semu honestly was advertised: he's a supreme run blocker but sucks in pass pro
The issue is that there was a belief that we wouldn't need to pass as much and if we did, we'd be doing play action.

None of that has come to fruition. We struggle running and it's a domino effect through the rest of the offense.
 
CheckingLineCenter said:
I’ll give him a pass on Semuelo. Universally praised and you can’t say it’s just the GM not knowing he’d be a bad scheme fit either. Dude has simply not been the player he was in Philly.

Sutton out and Pat Pete in looks worse than I what I thought worst-case could be :laugh:. That one is on management for sure.
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I still think Khan has done an awesome job so far, but pretty much all of the moves in the secondary outside of drafting Porter haven’t been great.

Minkah has been having to play in the slot or close to the line of scrimmage a ton, which kind of sucks since he’s so dangerous when he’s allowed to play deeper.
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
This team has gone 4-2 allowing 350+ yards of total offense in every game, and a 100+ yard receiver in all but one of them, additionally holding a -24 point differential for the season. We are a walking statistical anomaly With horseshoes literally falling out of our asses.
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i was wondering why i feel this way when i would normally be happy and dancing. and i just thought i was just turning into another jaded.:laugh:
 
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