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OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

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Harvin is so inconsistent. He will bomb one, and then he will have a 40 yarder. His talent is undeniable, but that isn't the type of guy you want out there when the game is on the line and you really need to pin a team back.

Mr Jiggyfly said:


The one drop was when Pickens grew alligator arms.
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I think Pickett is going to need time like he did at Pitt. He's not a natural, but he makes up for it in intangible factors and work ethic. I think if we had an offense that ran play action, he'd be SO much better. Defenses can so easily pin their ears back and get after it against this offense.
 
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Najee played really well. And I hate how he plays and that we picked him in the first round.
But give the dude his flowers.
 
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JTG said:
Harvin is so inconsistent. He will bomb one, and then he will have a 40 yarder. His talent is undeniable, but that isn't the type of guy you want out there when the game is on the line and you really need to pin a team back.



I think Pickett is going to need time like he did at Pitt. He's not a natural, but he makes up for it in intangible factors and work ethic. I think if we had an offense that ran play action, he'd be SO much better. Defenses can so easily pin their ears back and get after it against this offense.
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A lot of people just want to skip over the three year window it takes for most QBs to develop.

Apparently the Steelers are getting another day 1 HOFer if KP leaves.

It’s only happened twice in their 90 year history, but sure odds look good, especially since their last top five pick was 34 years ago.

I’ll wait until the end of next season before I have a hissy fit about him, even though he’s no doubt going to hold them back from a SB ring being around.

Tomlin is definitely the QB whisperer, what could go wrong?
 
Mr Jiggyfly said:
A lot of people just want to skip over the three year window it takes for most QBs to develop.

Apparently the Steelers are getting another day 1 HOFer if KP leaves.

It’s only happened twice in their 90 year history, but sure odds look good, especially since their last top five pick was 34 years ago.

I’ll wait until the end of next season before I have a hissy fit about him, even though he’s definitely going to cost them a SB ring being around.
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And even then. Bradshaw sucked for the better part of 7 years.

Ben was a legit generational QB and if he didn't have one of the best teams ever around him, he would have sucked too. They didn't give him the reigns until year 5.
 
Coastal Kev said:
Those blaming Pickett really need to question their own comprehension of evaluating the sport.
FACT
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Outside of the weird triple coverage throw to heyward that wasn’t picked and the not taking the free 7 yard’s whenever teams back off of DJ or GP he looked decent

NewAgeOutlaw said:
Yeah, the ceiling here is getting teabagged in the wild card round. The Steelers can't play half the game like trash and expect to beat contenders.

Much like the Pens, the lack of a consistent 60 minute effort is an ongoing issue.
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Again what team scares you right now right now we would be playing jacksonville as the 5th seed
 
JTG said:
And even then. Bradshaw sucked for the better part of 7 years.

Ben was a legit generational QB and if he didn't have one of the best teams ever around him, he would have sucked too. They didn't give him the reigns until year 5.
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I just completely disagree with the notion that Young Ben was a Game Manager only. He added a danger/big play element to the offense.
If the offense was such a juggernaut before he got there it would have done much better with Stewart and Maddox prior.

Kenny also lacks Ben's physical upside (duh) in arm strength or strength-strength, and he went to college for 6 years.

It sucks that Canada is here because it means that we have to grade on a significant curve and adjust evaluation for the Matt Canada factor. But I will still evaluate even on a curve. Just like when Jack Johnson played for the Penguins the argument frequently came up "well, look he's with JJ, we can't look at how he's playing."
It may well be that the team's best go-forward option is to give Kenny another go with a new OC. But as of now the jury is still out.
 
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bigdaddyk88 said:
Again what team scares you right now right now we would be playing jacksonville as the 5th seed
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What happened the last time they played Jacksonville in the playoffs?

This team has lost playoff games to Tim Tebow, Blake Bortles, and Baker Mayfield. There are 0 playoff teams I'm confident they would beat.

I'd love for them to prove me wrong, but I think it is reasonable to question their ability to win a playoff game at this point. This aint 2010.
 
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ChaosAgent said:
I just completely disagree with the notion that Young Ben was a Game Manager only. He added a danger/big play element to the offense.
If the offense was such a juggernaut before he got there it would have done much better with Stewart and Maddox prior.

Kenny also lacks Ben's physical upside (duh) in arm strength or strength-strength, and he went to college for 6 years.

It sucks that Canada is here because it means that we have to grade on a significant curve and adjust evaluation for the Matt Canada factor. But I will still evaluate even on a curve. Just like when Jack Johnson played for the Penguins the argument frequently came up "well, look he's with JJ, we can't look at how he's playing."
It may well be that the team's best go-forward option is to give Kenny another go with a new OC. But as of now the jury is still out.
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The offense did do better under Maddox in 2002. They were ranked higher in points/yards than they ever were for the first decade of Roethlisberger's career (until they were blessed with prime Antonio Brown, when Roethlisberger was past his prime).
 
bambamcam4ever said:
The offense did do better under Maddox in 2002. They were ranked higher in points/yards than they ever were for the first decade of Roethlisberger's career (until they were blessed with prime Antonio Brown, when Roethlisberger was past his prime).
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Maddox was a pretty good QB in 2002 and decent in 2003.
The Steelers defense was also very stout in 2004-2005 so they weren't often chasing the game.
Roethlisberger had the 5th highest passer rating in the NFL in 2004 and 3rd highest in 2005.
Pickett was 32nd in 2022 and 27th headed into today. This is not remotely the same

Point being comparing Pickett to Roethlisberger and Bradshaw is not the right comparison.
Compare him to Trubisky in Chicago, Carr, Goff, Bortles, Drew Lock and any other QB where the drafting team has to decide whether to stick with the guy or move on. That is the company he is actually in. As of now the jury is out.
 
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NewAgeOutlaw said:
What happened the last time they played Jacksonville in the playoffs?

This team has lost playoff games to Tim Tebow, Blake Bortles, and Baker Mayfield. There are 0 playoff teams I'm confident they would beat.

I'd love for them to prove me wrong, but I think it is reasonable to question their ability to win a playoff game at this point. This aint 2010.
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Right in the 3 playoff wins in that stretch they got 3 combined tds from Ben he didn’t turn it over they played defense and ran the ball..
Do you trust the ravens to win in the playoffs they have 2 wins since 2014 jacksonville has 3 in that span. Miami has 0
 
“Pickett is an average quarterback who occasionally has good series. If he was this fourth-quarter miracle man, the Steelers’ record during his tenure would be a lot better. Hey, how about having a good first quarter?”

-One of few voices of reason in the local media.
 
ChaosAgent said:
I just completely disagree with the notion that Young Ben was a Game Manager only. He added a danger/big play element to the offense.
If the offense was such a juggernaut before he got there it would have done much better with Stewart and Maddox prior.

Kenny also lacks Ben's physical upside (duh) in arm strength or strength-strength, and he went to college for 6 years.

It sucks that Canada is here because it means that we have to grade on a significant curve and adjust evaluation for the Matt Canada factor. But I will still evaluate even on a curve. Just like when Jack Johnson played for the Penguins the argument frequently came up "well, look he's with JJ, we can't look at how he's playing."
It may well be that the team's best go-forward option is to give Kenny another go with a new OC. But as of now the jury is still out.
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Vehemently disagree. Had Ben not stepped into that team, his legacy would be wildly different. He'd still be great, but he'd be more Marino great where he just couldn't get over that hump. Think about his career after those teams. Great player...his teams could never get it done.

Dick Lebeau won Tomlin and Ben their Super Bowls they needed for their legacies.

NewAgeOutlaw said:
To heap even more praise on Watt, he hauled in that INT despite it being documented he has a dislocated finger from the game before the bye.

The dude is a freak of nature.
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I would hope people realize that we are watching a first ballot guy right now in his prime. Enjoy it.
 
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bigdaddyk88 said:
Right in the 3 playoff wins in that stretch they got 3 combined tds from Ben he didn’t turn it over they played defense and ran the ball..
Do you trust the ravens to win in the playoffs they have 2 wins since 2014 jacksonville has 3 in that span. Miami has 0
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40+ points allowed in the past 3 playoff games
Not many QB's (even Mahommes) are overcoming that
 
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Pengwins said:
Nick Herbig looked like he was shot out of a cannon on his sack
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If they would let Nick Herbig play, he would have multiple sacks right now. THis offseason I'd have him gain some weight, and I'd move him to weakside MLB. He's your absolutely perfect zone blitzing MLB.
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
I don't watch much CFB, but I watched most of the PSU/OSU game

PSU's defense is crazy good. They should have let the offense walk home after that debacle
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and one of their top defensive players left the game early (Chop Robinson)

doubt they will beat Michigan since Michigan is much better than OSU this year

how did LT Dan Moore play? couldnt tell since I was in the upperdeck
 
Rossi Rat said:
“Pickett is an average quarterback who occasionally has good series. If he was this fourth-quarter miracle man, the Steelers’ record during his tenure would be a lot better. Hey, how about having a good first quarter?”

-One of few voices of reason in the local media.
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The Steelers are 11-7 with Pickett starting and are 10-4 in his last 14 starts. And one of those losses was where he was concussed in the first drive against the Ravens last year.

Frankly Pickett’s record as a QB is one of the strongest things about his NFL performance so far.
 
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