OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

[Josey Wales]

I'll make whatever wager you want that Mike Tomlin is the Steelers head coach in 2024. Name the stakes. I'll hang up and listen.

Probably Because Rooney won't fire Daddy's legacy hire, But I can't remember the last time a Coordinator was fired midseason

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Anyone expecting changes needs to hold their horses.
This is still Tomlin's offense in terms of how he wants to approach things: risk-averse, keep things close to the vest, don't take shots, etc.

No. Tomlin went after canada because he wanted motion and rpo.
They stripped everything down that Canada did to get Nathan peterman drafted because of KP.
They aren’t calling deep shot’s when the Qb can’t compete passes 15 yards down field

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Yeah OK Beavis, The Owner had to step in & fire the OC because he wouldn't after bringing him back after the debacle last season. That is all on HC Cliché'

Be careful or you will get buried in hyperbole and nonsense.

No. Tomlin went after canada because he wanted motion and rpo.
They stripped everything down that Canada did to get Nathan peterman drafted because of KP.
They aren’t calling deep shot’s when the Qb can’t compete passes 15 yards down field

These problems pre-dated KP.

Canada would have had a historically bad offense if Roth didn’t tell him to f*** off in the second half and did his own thing.

Yet this is the guy Tomlin decides should develop his young QB?

#TomlinIsNeverAtFault
#NoLosingSeasons

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Be careful or you will get buried in hyperbole and nonsense.



These problems pre-dated KP.

Canada would have had a historically bad offense if Roth didn’t tell him to f*** off in the second half and did his own thing.

Yet this is the guy Tomlin decides should develop his young QB?

#TomlinIsNeverAtFault
#NoLosingSeasons

They brought in motion and did a hybrid of Fitchner and Canada offense under Ben
Heck they called plays Haley called this season
Canada job wasn’t to develop KP thats Sulivan who they aren’t happy with and got jumped over by Faulkner

 

[Coastal Kev]

Who brought Canada back?

He wasn’t even going to fire him and Rooney was forced to step in.

Tomlin’s decision couldn’t have gone any worse, but let’s pretend young QBs can’t be ruined by atrocious coaching.

Dude likely isn’t bouncing back, but as always Tomlin is absolved.

There’s always a scapegoat for his atrocious decisions.

Tomlin has brainwashed Steeler fans to a frigh

#NeverKennyPickett'sFault

His response was detailed with substance; you offer back zero substance arrogance. pointless

 

[ziggyjoe212]

Getting rid of Canada is huge but it won't solve the problem. The Oline and QB still aren't good enough.
I can't imagine Faulkner and Sullivan will be any better than Canada.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Getting rid of Canada is huge but it won't solve the problem. The Oline and QB still aren't good enough.
I can't imagine Faulkner and Sullivan will be any better than Canada.

Well it goes deeper than personnel on the field

In case you all have forgotten:

Art 2 is in charge
Mike Tomlin is the offensive and defensive supervisor

The rest is titanic deck chairs.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

They brought in motion and did a hybrid of Fitchner and Canada offense under Ben
Heck they called plays Haley called this season
Canada job wasn’t to develop KP thats Sulivan who they aren’t happy with and got jumped over by Faulkner

Right, the OC's job isn't to develop a young Qb.

Are you just running out of excuses for Tomlin or you actually believe this shit?

Let me give you a reality check:

AR2 was so embarrassed by Canada's offense that he went over Tomlin's head.

Not only is that stunning in itself, but meek ass AR2 literally had to buck a tradition he was steadfast about and fired a coordinator midseason for the first time in over 80+ years.

WW2 was literally going on boss.

Yet you still don't get it, like all of the other brainwashed Steeler fans Tomlin has you under a spell and it's sad as f***.

Time to wake up to reality as painful as it is.

 

[Peat]

Clucking bell. Be curious to see what difference it makes.

Kenny Pickett came with obvious shortcomings, even his most ardent supports (and I feel like I've been lukewarm to warm) acknowledge that.

But for me - and, I suspect, a lot of folks - we were just never going to get a full sense of Pickett as an NFL QB with the coaching he was getting (and, likely, will continue to get through the end of this season). Instead of designing an offense that made use of his strengths and attempted to improve his weaknesses, both were simply mitigated if not ignored.

The counter, of course, is that the NFL isn't a developmental league and KP is old for a young QB so why should he require extra teaching? The fact that other teams do develop QBs, sometimes with success, makes it clear it's a thing that can be done. And in this case, it wasn't.

Let's hope that, if nothing else, changes.

The obvious counter to that is 99% of all QBs coming into the league need developing simply because it's impossible for NCAA to give a QB all of the skills he needs to live in the NFL.

And that every QB in this league needs a system and personnel room that helps them, because it's just too hard and there's too many moving parts to do it alone.

 

[Peat]

Quick scan of the headlines and someone's making the point that it looked like the players had completely lost it with the way the offence is handled after the last game. Which, well, yeah, yeah it did look that way. I wonder to what extent that motivated the move.

edit: I'd love to see a better source than Dulac talk about who was saying what on this decision. Leaving aside Dulac's propensity for inaccuracy, just saying the order from Rooney tells you nothing about how it was reached - did Tomlin walk into Rooney's office and go "I know you hate midseason firings but this can't go on" or did Rooney walk into Tomlin's office and go "hey, I'm done with this" - or somewhere in between?

 

[UnrealMachine]

Getting rid of Canada is huge but it won't solve the problem. The Oline and QB still aren't good enough.
I can't imagine Faulkner and Sullivan will be any better than Canada.

Canada must have one of the worst legacies of any coordinator in modern NFL history. I believe that not having the WOAT coordinator is a major step forward for this organization and will be evident to even the dumbest posters on this board. If nothing else it will boost player morale, which was at rock bottom and under a lead shield of despair. Hell, even I feel less depressed this morning.

 

[xlm34]

Quick scan of the headlines and someone's making the point that it looked like the players had completely lost it with the way the offence is handled after the last game. Which, well, yeah, yeah it did look that way. I wonder to what extent that motivated the move.

edit: I'd love to see a better source than Dulac talk about who was saying what on this decision. Leaving aside Dulac's propensity for inaccuracy, just saying the order from Rooney tells you nothing about how it was reached - did Tomlin walk into Rooney's office and go "I know you hate midseason firings but this can't go on" or did Rooney walk into Tomlin's office and go "hey, I'm done with this" - or somewhere in between?

Agreed on the Dulac point. He’s been awfully unreliable these past few years and he’s also buddies with Rooney so tends to spin things in a positive light toward him.

If he right on this though, then we probably could also believe it when Dulac reported that it was Rooney’s call to bring Canada to the organization in the first place. In which case kudos to him for correcting a mistake.

 

[Josey Wales]

Getting rid of Canada is huge but it won't solve the problem. The Oline and QB still aren't good enough.
I can't imagine Faulkner and Sullivan will be any better than Canada.

& who is to blame for those Problems?? See when you are the HC with a Ton of pull with drafting he is thee focal point of blame

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Canada must have one of the worst legacies of any coordinator in modern NFL history. I believe that not having the WOAT coordinator is a major step forward for this organization and will be evident to even the dumbest posters on this board. If nothing else it will boost player morale, which was at rock bottom and under a lead shield of despair. Hell, even I feel less depressed this morning.

We are the jets with s worse version of zack willson. They can’t fire their oc because of Rodgers though

 

[Peat]

Agreed on the Dulac point. He’s been awfully unreliable these past few years and he’s also buddies with Rooney so tends to spin things in a positive light toward him.

If he right on this though, then we probably could also believe it when Dulac reported that it was Rooney’s call to bring Canada to the organization in the first place. In which case kudos to him for correcting a mistake.

I'd forgotten/never knew that was a thing.

I do subscribe to the idea that Rooney is heavily involved with the team though, so him being the main mover both times wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Coastal Kev]

It only gets worse from here with TOMLIN hiring more of his bff’s.

 

[MrBrightside]

 

[Coastal Kev]

Um
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[UnrealMachine]

We are the jets with s worse version of zack willson. They can’t fire their oc because of Rodgers though

I don’t know what we are, but other teams were predicting our offensive plays with little effort and an alarming level of accuracy. As I said previously, we were trapped in a reverse Spygate feedback loop. And the ultimate punchline is that we were maybe 1 or 2 good punts or passes from being 7-3.

 

[Josey Wales]

Adam Schefter

@AdamSchefter
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2h

History today in Pittsburgh: When the Steelers fired offensive coordinator Matt Canada today, it marked the first time they have made an in-season coaching change since 1941, per
@PaulHembo
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It only gets worse from here with TOMLIN hiring more of his bff’s.

Not BFF but Incompetent clowns like him

 

[WickedWrister]

"We're not urinating on the fire"

 

[Empoleon8771]

Anyone defending Matt Canada at this point has to be a troll. He was a dogshit college OC that somehow made his way into being the Steelers OC, and it went as predictably as you expected. The dude should be the OC of Duquesne, not the Steelers.

The changes aren't going to be immediate, just because you can't change up a playbook in less than 1 week after firing a new OC, but there really aren't any excuses left for Pickett. The OL has massively improved with Jones playing every game. The running game has similarly taken off with the addition of Jones to the OL. Canada is gone. It's time to put up or shut up.

 

[pistolpete11]

10 games too late, but it still feels like a relief. I'm sure for the players, too. Shit, probably even Canada himself. Seemed like things were reaching a boiling point.

My only concern is that any sign of improvement will be taken as a sign that Canada was the sole problem. And they will give Sullivan or whoever else the reigns next year. This teams needs to put up like 30 points a game the rest of the way for me to not think that they need to completely clean house on the offensive coaching staff.

 

[Peat]

I don't think that one had been shared before, I wonder which game it was...

 

[pistolpete11]

I don't think that one had been shared before, I wonder which game it was...

Wow. You knows things are bad when even the kicker is taking shots