OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

[Goalie_Bob]

Please keep posting these examples of bad QBing.

On the first play, KP is setting to throw when Seumalo gets driven back 3 yards and his guy comes clean. Could Pickett stay set, deliver the throw?? Sure, but this is what happens to a young qb that is constantly faced with constant pressure. Also, his body will not stand up to that kind of punishment, so even if he made the throws while taking the abuse the joy would all be very short lived.

Second, KP is looking at Austin as his first read. Whether he should be or not, no one other than them would know. As he follows Austin and he readies to throw, a defender breaks off and cuts off Austin. KP never gets an opportunity to look at DJ who is now open because once again.......a free rusher.

Again, KP may not be a franchise qb or he may already be shot due to the hits absorbed the last year and change. But placing the blame on him, ignorantly thinking it all is fixed with a better is qb is quite obtuse, shallow and void of serious comprehension.

They are the same play from two different angles. And Kenny should have thrown the ball before that rusher is even near him.

Hears the thing, Austin is open as well if he throws the ball to him and leads him the same way Jordan Love threw the ball to Jayden Reed last week. Kenny is completely locked up and is refusing to throw the ball downfield. And that is 100% on him.

This has been an issue all season, he requires the player to be open by 10 yards and the pocket to be perfect. Then maybe he will throw the ball.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Maholmes wouldn’t be hurt. He step up into pocket heck Cleveland guy was getting it out in 2.3 seconds yesterday and stepped upto avoid the rush. You can’t play zone against Maholmes he will destroy you he would throw 40 tds wuth our weapons
Tomlin prototype QB is Lamar its why if they don’t draft a Qb they will bring in Fields

Zero chance Tomlin would have changed his entire playbook on the fly to accommodate LJ.

Tomlin also spearheaded one of the worst running games in the league during LJ’s developmental years.

LJ would have been Justin Fields level bad under Tomlin.

It’s weird that fans and analysts alike continue to identify the same issues with the offense, but tomlin and Canada continue with the status quo. The Najee/Warren thing especially makes 0 sense.

-I understand he was going against Garrett, but Dan Moore didn’t even put up a fight. He was putrid. He’s BEEN putrid. And yet we won’t play our 1st round guy in his spot because…. Reasons.

-Canada’s schemes continue to be mind blowingly awful. The amount of stuff that starts out behind the line of scrimmage is weird

-I’m out on Kenny. He’s not that guy. Canada doesn’t do him any favors but he also does not execute

-Pressley Harvin is also not that guy and it’s been apparent for over a year now. 1 good one for every 5 attempts

The Harvin stuff is mind blowing.

How is he still on the roster?

 

[Coastal Kev]

They are the same play from two different angles. And Kenny should have thrown the ball before that rusher is even near him.

Hears the thing, Austin is open as well if he throws the ball to him and leads him the same way Jordan Love threw the ball to Jayden Reed last week. Kenny is completely locked up and is refusing to throw the ball downfield. And that is 100% on him.

This has been an issue all season, he requires the player to be open by 10 yards and the pocket to be perfect. Then maybe he will throw the ball.

You are correct about being the same play, my mistake.

I will stand by my assessment that when you look at the second video a defender break off to cut off Austin. I would love to hear Kurt Warner's assessment on who should be his first read.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

They are the same play from two different angles. And Kenny should have thrown the ball before that rusher is even near him.

Hears the thing, Austin is open as well if he throws the ball to him and leads him the same way Jordan Love threw the ball to Jayden Reed last week. Kenny is completely locked up and is refusing to throw the ball downfield. And that is 100% on him.

This has been an issue all season, he requires the player to be open by 10 yards and the pocket to be perfect. Then maybe he will throw the ball.

I agree with this.
KP needs to learn the difference between College and NFL open. He hasn't mastered that.

But I still believe that Canada/Tomlin doesn't scheme guys open to make things easier for KP
Both can be true.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I agree with this.
KP needs to learn the difference between College and NFL open. He hasn't mastered that.

But I still believe that Canada/Tomlin doesn't scheme guys open to make things easier for KP
Both can be true.

Honestly, I think the bigger issue here is that Tomlin won't let Pickett make the mistakes he needs to make to learn the difference between college and NFL open. It's hard for Pickett to learn that when Tomlin wants to maintain his 9-8 record so much that he won't let Pickett make a mistake.

 

[DanielPlainview]

How to ruin a young QB in 3 easy steps:

1. Draft him into coaching staff with a HC who is seemingly antagonistic toward having a good offense and one of the worst OC in league history.

2. Provide substandard OL play.

3. Run a scheme so easy to predict drunkards in the crowd can call the play with a high degree of accuracy.

 

[MrBrightside]

For everyone who points to the offensive line as an excuse for Pickett, the Steelers have allowed the 12th fewest sacks of any team in the NFL. They also have a pass blocking win rate that is 14th in the NFL. The OL isn't great but the idea that Pickett is just relentlessly under siege is a fallacy, at least compared to the rest of the NFL. I know this won't stop the apologies, but nevertheless.

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[Buddy Bizarre]

For everyone who points to the offensive line as an excuse for Pickett, the Steelers have allowed the 12th fewest sacks of any team in the NFL. They also have a pass blocking win rate that is 14th in the NFL. The OL isn't great but the idea that Pickett is just relentlessly under siege is a fallacy, at least compared to the rest of the NFL. I know this won't stop the apologies, but nevertheless.

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Am I overlooking "pressures" or does that stat not exist here?

 

[MrBrightside]

Am I overlooking "pressures" or does that stat not exist here?

Pass blocking win rates is the stat that was posted. Steelers are slightly above average in that regard.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Honestly, I think the bigger issue here is that Tomlin won't let Pickett make the mistakes he needs to make to learn the difference between college and NFL open. It's hard for Pickett to learn that when Tomlin wants to maintain his 9-8 record so much that he won't let Pickett make a mistake.

This is what I mean when I said that Tomlin/Canada aren't doing KP any favors. I truly believe they are in his ear saying "if he's not wide open, don't force it, take the sack"

KP as a standalone person/prospect came here already limited by his physical tools/processing speed. Add this kind of "coaching" and you have a player that is playing scared and "not to lose". He's not experiencing the good kind of failure that gets coal made into diamonds.

For KP to succeed he needed a really good supporting cast ie a running game. And a coach who had a track record of their own success.
I can't imagine a worse possible scenario he's been placed in. Again i"m not absolving KP as his performance has been putrid. But he's got nothing to fall back on and his body language says it all. He's seeing ghosts out there.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

This is what I mean when I said that Tomlin/Canada aren't doing KP any favors. I truly believe they are in his ear saying "if he's not wide open, don't force it, take the sack"

KP as a standalone person/prospect came here already limited by his physical tools/processing speed. Add this kind of "coaching" and you have a player that is playing scared and "not to lose". He's not experiencing the good kind of failure that gets coal made into diamonds.

For KP to succeed he needed a really good supporting cast ie a running game. And a coach who had a track record of their own success.
I can't imagine a worse possible scenario he's been placed in. Again i"m not absolving KP as his performance has been putrid. But he's got nothing to fall back on and his body language says it all. He's seeing ghosts out there.

And this will happen with the next guy as well, because Tomlin lives in a Rooney provided echo chamber where he does no wrong.

Or they find a generational QB that can overcome it all.

Should be easy given they have had exactly zero top five picks the last 50 years.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

And this will happen with the next guy as well, because Tomlin lives in a Rooney provided echo chamber where he does no wrong.

Or they find a generational QB that can overcome it all.

Should be easy given they have had exactly zero top five picks the last 50 years.

Here's the thing, even Ben couldn't overcome Tomlin's idiocy for the past...let's say 10 years.
2008 SB was very much in doubt. It took 2 of the most insane plays (JH pick 6 and the Holmes catch) for the Steelers to eek out a W vs a mediocre Cards team.

Ever since the 2010 SB it's been nothing but disappointments for this team. The last remaining player on that team was Ben.
It's almost that QB's go to die under Tomlin. Wonder why that could be?

 

[bigdaddyk88]

 

[ZorkEnchanter]

And this will happen with the next guy as well, because Tomlin lives in a Rooney provided echo chamber where he does no wrong.

Or they find a generational QB that can overcome it all.

Should be easy given they have had exactly zero top five picks the last 50 years.

Yup. Also, two horrible linemen are now having the best year of their professional career away from Tomlin/Offensive System.

If they were smart, which they are not. You probably keep the WR coach. You fire Tomlin. (ain't happening)
Everyone gets a fresh start with a competent OC/Staff.

We all know it ain't happening... this train wreck is years in the making.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

I'm gonna root for Kenny because I want us to win football games and play watchable football.

I'm hoping Empo and the other defenders take a victory lap on his detractors in a month. Sincerely.

Yeah I hope he does well.

I look at those throws and I think back to how he was playing earlier this season and it just seems really unlikely he's actually fit.

I get your point here but the truth is no one in the NFL is 100% fit at this juncture of the season. I also don’t know why it would affect his ability to see the field. If it was just accuracy problems I think there would be more merit to what you’re saying. Hopefully you’re correct but I see it as he’s getting worse the more he plays and the more snaps he puts on film for DCs. Also he clearly has zero confidence.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Yup. Also, two horrible linemen are now having the best year of their professional career away from Tomlin/Offensive System.

If they were smart, which they are not. You probably keep the WR coach. You fire Tomlin. (ain't happening)
Everyone gets a fresh start with a competent OC/Staff.

We all know it ain't happening... this train wreck is years in the making.

What linemen are you talking about

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Here's the thing, even Ben couldn't overcome Tomlin's idiocy for the past...let's say 10 years.
2008 SB was very much in doubt. It took 2 of the most insane plays (JH pick 6 and the Holmes catch) for the Steelers to eek out a W vs a mediocre Cards team.

Ever since the 2010 SB it's been nothing but disappointments for this team. The last remaining player on that team was Ben.
It's almost that QB's go to die under Tomlin. Wonder why that could be?

I don’t expect Tomlin to be some offense guru, or QB whisperer. He’s obviously not good at developing that side of the ball, but that’s why he needs to hire bright offensive minds - to do what he can’t.

But that is apparently not his style, given his non-existent coaching tree and atrocious offense we have seen the last 4-5 years.

 

[Peat]

I get your point here but the truth is no one in the NFL is 100% fit at this juncture of the season. I also don’t know why it would affect his ability to see the field. If it was just accuracy problems I think there would be more merit to what you’re saying. Hopefully you’re correct but I see it as he’s getting worse the more he plays and the more snaps he puts on film for DCs. Also he clearly has zero confidence.

Either they're preaching get it out quick because they don't trust his accuracy right now and the result is him locking onto the quick options - or his confidence has collapsed. Or both. The confidence part is certainly true.

And I think there's a chance he's a long way below 100%.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Can’t believe how wrong I was on Dawand Jones. Didn’t want him and he looked insanely good yesterday.

 

[Captain Hook]

Can’t believe how wrong I was on Dawand Jones. Didn’t want him and he looked insanely good yesterday.

Yeah, that dude is a wall out there. It sucks the Browns got him. I would have loved the Steelers to get him but realistically we weren't taking two tackles in the first 3 rounds. There's also still questions whether Jones body will hold up at his enormous size. He mostly only played on 3rd downs yesterday due to lingering shoulder and knee problems.

 

[Peat]

Yeah, that dude is a wall out there. It sucks the Browns got him. I would have loved the Steelers to get him but realistically we weren't taking two tackles in the first 3 rounds. There's also still questions whether Jones body will hold up at his enormous size. He mostly only played on 3rd downs yesterday due to lingering shoulder and knee problems.

I get your point as to what the team does, and also the troubles of bringing along two rookie tackles at once, but goddamn it if there didn't look like a need then and if there doesn't look like a need now.

 

[Pengwins]

refs blatantly help the eagles every weak. It’s ridiculous

 

[JTG]

Kenny has to be able to progress in his ability to make reads and quickly get the ball out. I have faith in him, but he's leaving far too much meat on the bone right now. You can just feel someone on this offense is ready to pop off to the media. I'm giving it another week or two and something juicy happens.

Warren and Broderick Jones are about the only two glimmers offensively this season. Refs are catching on to JPJs sticky hands.

Can’t believe how wrong I was on Dawand Jones. Didn’t want him and he looked insanely good yesterday.

He does look really good, but his knock was never talent...

 

[Andy99]

KC and Philly game is watching two professional football teams who know how to play the modern nfl game…unlike Tomlin and the Steelers…the Steelers are a huge blight compared to these teams,so far away from being competitive lol

 

[JTG]

The Steelers are actually favored in Cincinnati next week. That is, um, not expected.

It's constantly 1 second slow. He's got to pick up his pace just a bit and it'd make a world of difference.

KC and Philly game is watching two professional football teams who know how to play the modern nfl game…unlike Tomlin and the Steelers…the Steelers are a huge blight compared to these teams,so far away from being competitive lol

They are the only 2 real quality teams in the NFL. Everyone else is a very clear two notches below them.