OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

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Easy to say and do from your bedroom with a pillow on your lap. When your Oline is getting killed up the middle the entire year by stunts and blitzes, let's see your or Stroud or Mahomes do it for 10 games.

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He was referring to one play. FFS. No one thinks that Pickett is the entire problem. Literally no one. The only debate is how much of the problem he is. Your fan boy position is noted. That's fine.
Joke

The tweet covered all of KP plays over the line of scrimmage ... LEARN before you type.
 
Easy to say and do from your bedroom with a pillow on your lap. When your Oline is getting killed up the middle the entire year by stunts and blitzes, let's see your or Stroud or Mahomes do it for 10 games.

farts in football


Joke

The tweet covered all of KP plays over the line of scrimmage ... LEARN before you type.
Thzts the job thzts why they get paid 40 million I guess he isn’t an nfl QB if he can’t do the minimum requirements
 
It’s weird that fans and analysts alike continue to identify the same issues with the offense, but tomlin and Canada continue with the status quo. The Najee/Warren thing especially makes 0 sense.

-I understand he was going against Garrett, but Dan Moore didn’t even put up a fight. He was putrid. He’s BEEN putrid. And yet we won’t play our 1st round guy in his spot because…. Reasons.

-Canada’s schemes continue to be mind blowingly awful. The amount of stuff that starts out behind the line of scrimmage is weird

-I’m out on Kenny. He’s not that guy. Canada doesn’t do him any favors but he also does not execute

-Pressley Harvin is also not that guy and it’s been apparent for over a year now. 1 good one for every 5 attempts
 
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Absolutely nailed it. Anyone ready to admit he was right about this team all along? Amazing the disrespect he gets as a football analyst from a lot of you.
 
It’s not an either/or thing with this offense at this point. All of Canada, Pickett and Tomlin are problems. Trying to shift blame to/away from one is pointless because all are problems.

I’m willing to bet that Pickett’s issues are partially injury related, but the performance yesterday was an all-time bad QB performance for this team. The last drive was unacceptable, he wasn’t even close on his passes when there were passing lanes open.

At this point, I think Pickett can still be a legitimate NFL starter but it’s not going to be with the Steelers. The Steelers absolutely don’t know how to develop a QB and Pickett needs an exceptionally good development staff for him to end up a legit NFL starter. It’s best for both parties to look for other options.
 
The evidence shows a wide open gap he could step up into instead of spinning into pressure, but go off man.
How anyone can not realize this is astonishing when it's as clear as day.

Absolutely nailed it. Anyone ready to admit he was right about this team all along? Amazing the disrespect he gets as a football analyst from a lot of you.
He's not going to invite you over for Thanksgiving no matter how hard you wish.
 
I had started to sour on Pickett (although in fairness I've only "defended" him due to the coaching he's receiving) but seeing this headline and assuming the content but mostly knowing the source, I've rallied to him a little. When a know-nothing troll says something, I'm inclined against it.
 
My stance on Pickett at this point is:

1. Pickett has some legitimately major issues that may prevent him from ever being a legitimate NFL starter. All of these are issues IMO:

-He is entirely too quick to bail on the pocket, he tends to do his stupid spin move right into pressure and doesn't know how to step up into the pocket.
-He gets skittish whenever there is any sort of pressure and defaults to throwing it down to a safe check-down option way too much.
-He doesn't know how to protect himself, seeing how he seemingly gets injured every other game.
-He doesn't go through progressions well, which is probably related to the 2nd point about him getting skittish whenever there is pressure.

2. The team has put him in a position to fail by not actually focus on developing him and instead trying to maintain Tomlin's stupid non-losing record streak.

It blows my mind that the team doesn't get more criticism for how they've handled Pickett. Granted a lot of Steelers fans probably have lead poisoning from the Pittsburgh water, hence why there is a vocal part of the fanbase screaming for Mason Rudolph to be playing, but the Steelers gave basically a perfect example on how to not develop a QB prospect. Even if you are totally convinced Pickett sucks and is a pure bust, there is no way you can even begin to argue that this team handled him well. I'm even going to take Matt Canada out of the equation entirely, I think you can argue they handled him horribly without even needing to mention Canada.

The team was too impatient to let Pickett figure out what works and what doesn't work in the NFL, just because they're a win-now team and couldn't tolerate the thought of not having a winning season. Pickett was really turnover prone in his first 5 or so games last year, but he was also trying to figure out what he could and couldn't do in the NFL. You're not going to learn what a "NFL open receiver" is unless you're taking chances in games. When was the last time you saw Pickett take a chance like this:



He doesn't do that anymore, he's been beaten into playing scared of turning the ball over. That is how the team failed put him in a position to fail. Because this team is a "win-now" team (in their eyes), they weren't willing to let Pickett actually discover what works in the NFL and instead made him change to playing ultra conservatively with the ball to ensure he doesn't turn it over. That is a horrendous way at developing a QB, Pickett can't learn what does and doesn't work in the NFL if he has to play scared of turning the ball over. He has completely regressed at this point and seems like he has no confidence.

It's just frustrating because both of these parties are better off without each other. Pickett is better off playing for a team that actually has a coherent offensive system and support cast, while also having the patience to let Pickett work through his growing pains and learn what works and doesn't work in the NFL. Pickett obviously might not work out as a NFL QB because of his flaws, but that situation would actually be putting him in a position to succeed rather than the mess he's in on the Steelers. The Steelers need a better QB than Pickett just because their offensive system is such a mess that even a fully confident Pickett wouldn't be good enough in it. Like what has already been said, the Steelers should have used that 1st rounder on Pickett to draft OL help and then signed someone like Carr to be their starter.
 
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Without getting into whether they should or shouldn't bench Pickett, pretty much every other QB that has performed like he has this year has been benched at some point this season:

Zach Wilson
Desmond Ridder
Mac Jones
Ryan Tannehill
Jimmy G

Bryce Wilson is the only guy in that realm who hasn't been benched and he's a rookie #1 overall pick.'



Dulac calling out Tomlin is new.
 
You are on the edge of FG range and these are your choices

RB 1 - 12 carries for 35 yards = 2.9/carry
RB 2 - 9 carries for 129 yards = 14.3/carry

Naturally you choose..... wait for it... the 2.9 yards per carry guy.

Then the D holds and you get the ball back with under 2 minutes and promptly use 14 seconds and give the ball back with 1:18 left and they didn't have to use any TOs.

Good Lord
 
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The Steelers are actually favored in Cincinnati next week. That is, um, not expected.



Well the QB's are a wash.
But you have to give the Steelers D the nod by a wide margin. That's probably the difference.
Either way, it's gonna be ANOTHER 1 score game.
 
I had started to sour on Pickett (although in fairness I've only "defended" him due to the coaching he's receiving) but seeing this headline and assuming the content but mostly knowing the source, I've rallied to him a little. When a know-nothing troll says something, I'm inclined against it.

I'm gonna root for Kenny because I want us to win football games and play watchable football.

I'm hoping Empo and the other defenders take a victory lap on his detractors in a month. Sincerely.
 
It’s weird that fans and analysts alike continue to identify the same issues with the offense, but tomlin and Canada continue with the status quo. The Najee/Warren thing especially makes 0 sense.

-I understand he was going against Garrett, but Dan Moore didn’t even put up a fight. He was putrid. He’s BEEN putrid. And yet we won’t play our 1st round guy in his spot because…. Reasons.

-Canada’s schemes continue to be mind blowingly awful. The amount of stuff that starts out behind the line of scrimmage is weird

-I’m out on Kenny. He’s not that guy. Canada doesn’t do him any favors but he also does not execute

-Pressley Harvin is also not that guy and it’s been apparent for over a year now. 1 good one for every 5 attempts

It's because they don't live in their fears
 
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I'm gonna root for Kenny because I want us to win football games and play watchable football.

I'm hoping Empo and the other defenders take a victory lap on his detractors in a month. Sincerely.

Outside of a select few, I don't think anyone is rooting AGAINST KP.
But it's hard to not sit here and think: "I told you he wasn't the guy"

It's no different than my thoughts on Jarry. I want him to succeed, but deep down I know he won't. And people being oblivious to what's being put on tape, you wonder if they are truly in denial.

Same deal with Tomlin. We want to believe differently, but in our hearts, we know he's an overmatched coach who can't win a damn playoff game
 
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I mean, I do realize that Tomlin is to blame for everything and while he may have some say in personnel, Colbert is who didn't draft OL.

I continue to believe playing Jones at RT instead of LT just to keep Dan Moore in the lineup is coaching malpractice at the highest level, however.

It was reported in the 23 draft that all of Rooney, Tomlin, and Khan were part of the decision making committee on who to draft. I can't remember if it outright said that was it how it was with Colbert too, but I assume so.

In other words... he has a say. We don't know who was where on any 2 vs 1 splits but he had a say. He helped drive that bus.

- Harris can be pissed, but Warren is avg like 10 YPC the last three games and he gets nine carries?

This is the one that kills me most. Everytime they could scheme the smallest opening for him, he was gone. Why not try that more?

33 pass attempts is just insane on the day.

Canada is not a valid excuse for KP anymore. Canada isn’t the reason he can’t complete a 12 yard out to an open DJ with the game on the line. I mean yesterday was completely ridiculous.



I look at those throws and I think back to how he was playing earlier this season and it just seems really unlikely he's actually fit.

I didn’t say he was the be all end all.

I am saying that I don’t know if it matters anymore. If the refrigerator is broken and your food is rotten, yes the fridge is the real problem and needs to be replaced - but you also gotta throw out the spoiled food. Kinda see that as the case with the coaching and KP right now. Tomlin is the biggest problem but KP might be beyond repair.

I do also think there's a pretty good chance that's where we are.
 
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The Steelers are actually favored in Cincinnati next week. That is, um, not expected.


Please keep posting these examples of bad QBing.

On the first play, KP is setting to throw when Seumalo gets driven back 3 yards and his guy comes clean. Could Pickett stay set, deliver the throw?? Sure, but this is what happens to a young qb that is constantly faced with constant pressure. Also, his body will not stand up to that kind of punishment, so even if he made the throws while taking the abuse the joy would all be very short lived.

Second, KP is looking at Austin as his first read. Whether he should be or not, no one other than them would know. As he follows Austin and he readies to throw, a defender breaks off and cuts off Austin. KP never gets an opportunity to look at DJ who is now open because once again.......a free rusher.

Again, KP may not be a franchise qb or he may already be shot due to the hits absorbed the last year and change. But placing the blame on him, ignorantly thinking it all is fixed with a better is qb is quite obtuse, shallow and void of serious comprehension.
 
Someone broke down that one play where Muth is open. But it only happens because it's a longer play and how Canada draws these up which gives Kenny zero chances at making the quick toss. So people see the aftermath and blame Pickett without realizing the absolute idiotic way the entire play was drawn up.
 
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