OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

[Coastal Kev]

It's funny they point to Kenny on that play........people are obtuse. There are 2 free rusher and he gets blasted in under 2 seconds. Name your QB that succeeds with that kind of pressure.

KP is being systematically destroyed by this offense. I've seen it happen to qb's with much higher pedigrees.

 

[Peat]

The team is cracking and players talk like a team that has a win - loss record the reverse of what it is.

Which is a reflection of what we all know. The system that this team is built on is unsustainable and held together with duct tape.

And the players know it.

Yup.

Tbf, I thought the system was getting better the last couple of games, and the Browns are a very very hard out, so maybe this doesn't reflect too much... but there we go. Jerking people around in okay times means they lose patience quick in terrible.

Pickett is saying they were surprised by the Browns' game plans. I'm thinking I've heard them say that after 50% of the games this season, easy. Absolutely horrendous and, honestly, at what point do you start making a contingency plan for "they're doing something unusual"?

 

[ChaosAgent]

It's funny they point to Kenny on that play........people are obtuse. There are 2 free rusher and he gets blasted in under 2 seconds. Name your QB that succeeds with that kind of pressure.

KP is being systematically destroyed by this offense. I've seen it happen to qb's with much higher pedigrees.

Bro, he had to throw a ball 15 yards.

Perusing Steelers twitter and reddit, 90% are off the Kenny bandwagon. Canada should be and will be fired, but we will see if Kenny gets another year. Jayden Daniels looks awesome and Kenny looks like he looked in years 1-5 at Pitt. A gritty #3 quarterback.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

But it was what Harris didn’t say that stood out. He sounded like he was trying to avoid saying something that would get him in trouble.

Several times, he had abnormally long pauses before non-answers. He repeatedly fell back on his statement that he wanted to speak about himself, not about teammates. Altogether, it gave off strong hints that something is amiss with this team.

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Then there was Johnson getting visibly upset on the sidelines during the second half Sunday, which was significant enough that rookie offensive tackle Broderick Jones had to pick him up and carry him away from a member of the coaching staff.

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Harris was asked after the game if he thinks everybody on the team has a “team-first attitude.”

After a long pause, Harris replied, “I’d rather not talk about the team, I’d rather just talk about me, my performance.”

From Kaboly's Athletic article

Damn… that article is quite eye opening.

You all can look at it like it is a good record, but this is the NFL. Winning how we did isn’t going to get us nowhere. Yes we have a good record but, like …”

Harris is echoing exactly what I’ve been trying to get across - it doesn’t matter if they eek out wins with ultra safe turtle mode offense - it’s not going to lead anywhere but seven years without a playoff win.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Bro, he had to throw a ball 15 yards.

Perusing Steelers twitter and reddit, 90% are off the Kenny bandwagon. Canada should be and will be fired, but we will see if Kenny gets another year. Jayden Daniels looks awesome and Kenny looks like he looked in years 1-5 at Pitt. A gritty #3 quarterback.

Bro..... he had free rushers on every 3rd down today. Until the NFL goes all out with Flag football, you need to understand what happens to the human brain when getting battered. KP might be shot, but blame that porous oline and playcalling for putting the nail in his coffin. Someone should put together a clip of unblocked passrushers today............hilarity would ensue.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Bro..... he had free rushers on every 3rd down today. Until the NFL goes all out with Flag football, you need to understand what happens to the human brain when getting battered. KP might be shot, but blame that porous oline and playcalling for putting the nail in his coffin. Someone should put together a clip of unblocked passrushers today............hilarity would ensue.

Cleveland was constantly blitzing. That = lack of guys in coverage.

People post about Tommy Devito because he plays for a trash team. Don't tell me the Giants have a good offense. They don't. They had a winning percentage of .200 entering today. But he moved the ball and threw touchdown passes.

I have graded Kenny on a curve because the pass pro isn't good and Canada is horrific. But Kenny himself is as bad at his job as Canada is at his. If he's ruined, whatever. He's spilt milk. But also a 4th-5th round talent before he got a chance to go against the ACC in his 6th year flanked by the best receiver in the country.

 

[Andy99]

Yup.

Tbf, I thought the system was getting better the last couple of games, and the Browns are a very very hard out, so maybe this doesn't reflect too much... but there we go. Jerking people around in okay times means they lose patience quick in terrible.

Pickett is saying they were surprised by the Browns' game plans. I'm thinking I've heard them say that after 50% of the games this season, easy. Absolutely horrendous and, honestly, at what point do you start making a contingency plan for "they're doing something unusual"?

Exactly…this is a professional team…just assume the competition is going to make a f**king game plan to beat you and if that includes playing zone because your QB can’t read a defense, then assume that’s likely to happen lol

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Bro..... he had free rushers on every 3rd down today. Until the NFL goes all out with Flag football, you need to understand what happens to the human brain when getting battered. KP might be shot, but blame that porous oline and playcalling for putting the nail in his coffin. Someone should put together a clip of unblocked passrushers today............hilarity would ensue.

First off look to kp right muth is uncovered it was a bad read pre snap. The only reason it wasn’t a pick 6 was it was so inaccurate. They confused him all game by showing blitz and bailing out

 

[Coastal Kev]

Cleveland was constantly blitzing. That = lack of guys in coverage.

People post about Tommy Devito because he plays for a trash team. Don't tell me the Giants have a good offense. They don't. They had a winning percentage of .200 entering today. But he moved the ball and threw touchdown passes.

I have graded Kenny on a curve because the pass pro isn't good and Canada is horrific. But Kenny himself is as bad at his job as Canada is at his. If he's ruined, whatever. He's spilt milk. But also a 4th-5th round talent before he got a chance to go against the ACC in his 6th year flanked by the best receiver in the country.

I'm not arguing about Kenny. I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of people thinking "he's the problem'. He's one of their many problems, but they have many..........starting with that garbage OLINE. I don't know enough if it's the players, the coaching or both. Tomlin always has a fall guy, the oc, the qb,.... blah blah blah................. NEWS FLASH TOMLIN IS THE F'N PROBLEM.

Until he is moved out, the mediocrity will continue. F A CT

 

[ZorkEnchanter]

Damn… that article is quite eye opening.


Harris is echoing exactly what I’ve been trying to get across - it doesn’t matter if they eek out wins with ultra safe turtle mode offense - it’s not going to lead anywhere but seven years without a playoff win.

You said it.... Tomlin is going to Tomlin as long as they allow it... this is pretty much as good as it gets under Tomlin until he is gone.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I'm not arguing about Kenny. I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of people thinking "he's the problem'. He's one of their many problems, but they have many..........starting with that garbage OLINE. I don't know enough if it's the players, the coaching or both. Tomlin always has a fall guy, the oc, the qb,.... blah blah blah................. NEWS FLASH TOMLIN IS THE F'N PROBLEM.

Until he is moved out, the mediocrity will continue. F A CT

How about I keep being a fan of this team and actually evaluating the players on the team based on what I see.

And you can keep up your ranting about Mike Tomlin and the psychic damage he's doing to the organization.
God knows his tenure may stretch past your the rest of your lifespan so have fun with it.

 

[Coastal Kev]

How about I keep being a fan of this team and actually evaluating the players on the team based on what I see.

And you can keep up your ranting about Mike Tomlin and the psychic damage he's doing to the organization.
God knows his tenure may stretch past your the rest of your lifespan so have fun with it.

Sure.. please evaluate the oline on this play... I'm sure Mahomes would have had a TD.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Sure.. please evaluate the oline on this play... I'm sure Mahomes would have had a TD.

I'M GLAD YOU STOPPED RANTING ABOUT TOMLIN AND MADE AN ACTUAL POST.

Bad things happen to every QB, including Mahomes. Sometimes the players on the other team are good.

But there are plays to be made most of the time. Kenny does not convert them or goes into checkdown mode immediately. An absolutely shot/washed Big Ben did better in this terrible offense.

 

[Coastal Kev]

I'M GLAD YOU STOPPED RANTING ABOUT TOMLIN AND MADE AN ACTUAL POST.

Bad things happen to every QB, including Mahomes. Sometimes the players on the other team are good.

But there are plays to be made most of the time. Kenny does not convert them or goes into checkdown mode immediately. An absolutely shot/washed Big Ben did better in this terrible offense.

No Ben did not. It' looked very much the same. Dump KP, I don't care. That offense will look very much the same. Which by the way is why Tomlin won't bench KP. If Mitch or Mason fail, and they will, the finger will then be pointed back at his staff.

It's all about getting to 9 wins and keep every one of his buds employed.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I just hope they get an actually established NFL QB to replace Pickett, because it's going to be a lot harder for the people mindlessly defending Tomlin to defend him ruining an actual NFL QB instead of an ancient Ben, a reclamation project Trubisky or a questionable prospect Pickett.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

https://x.com/BenjaminSolak/status/1726422837160817048?s=20

 

[Peat]

I just hope they get an actually established NFL QB to replace Pickett, because it's going to be a lot harder for the people mindlessly defending Tomlin to defend him ruining an actual NFL QB instead of an ancient Ben, a reclamation project Trubisky or a questionable prospect Pickett.

If he has an actual established high class NFL QB, I think he'd probably propose different things tbf. Well. Assuming he doesn't hire an OC who is only slightly more qualified than my grandmother next time.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I just hope they get an actually established NFL QB to replace Pickett, because it's going to be a lot harder for the people mindlessly defending Tomlin to defend him ruining an actual NFL QB instead of an ancient Ben, a reclamation project Trubisky or a questionable prospect Pickett.

You have chosen spite.
Sorry Kenny wasted your faith by being the prospect he was at Pitt from '18 to '20.

I'm tired of Mike Tomlin too, btw.

 

[Peat]

You have chosen spite.
Sorry Kenny wasted your faith by being the prospect he was at Pitt from '18 to '20.

I'm tired of Mike Tomlin too, btw.

I dislike the logic of saying/implying that if a prospect doesn't work out, it's the evaluators who were at fault and not the developers (although Tomlin is at fault which ever way you put it too).

I'd also point out the obvious that, more or less as Empo says, frustration with what Tomlin means for this team runs a *lot* deeper than the last 20 games or so.

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

He objectively was not lmao

I think you mean subjective.

Because in 7 games (before the browns and then the injury) as a 24yo he had 11td to 4int and had above 80 qbr in each game. Compare that to 25yo Pickett, who has barely any touchdowns, can’t throw past the sticks, and despite the dink and dunk low risk offense has only 4 games above 80 qbr.

I think the entire room sucks but Pickett just might be the worst of them all.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I dislike the logic of saying/implying that if a prospect doesn't work out, it's the evaluators who were at fault and not the developers (although Tomlin is at fault which ever way you put it too).

I'd also point out the obvious that, more or less as Empo says, frustration with what Tomlin means for this team runs a *lot* deeper than the last 20 games or so.

I just disliked how he talked to other people about Kenny Pickett this entire year.
I don't actually know what comeuppance means, but it seems like an appropriate word at this time.

Yes Tomlin likes offensive slop and Matt Canada is a failure, etc.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

At this point why even keep Watt and Highsmith? Even Minkah? Just trade them for picks. They aren't going to contribute to jack shit that is meaningful with these idiot coaches.

Hey lads you're all amazing, here's a 9-8 season and Jack shit to show for it like always.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Watching Russell Wilson, there's something in the way he checks down. He's actually leading his RBs and putting them in a good position to run. Something our OC and QB can't execute.

 

[TNT87]

 

[Shaftception]

At this point why even keep Watt and Highsmith? Even Minkah? Just trade them for picks. They aren't going to contribute to jack shit that is meaningful with these idiot coaches.

Hey lads you're all amazing, here's a 9-8 season and Jack shit to show for it like always.

I've argued similar regarding Watt before (moreso due to his age and him being out of his prime by the time this team is potentially successfully rebuilt, ie at least 2 to 3 years), but eventually one has to come to the conclusion that no amount of logical arguments for anything other than Tomlin's status quo is worth the time spent typing it, as as long as Tomlin is coach and especially Art is owner, nothing of any substance is going to change.