OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

[JTG]

Canada kinda reminds me of when Jack Johnson was on the Penguins. Some folks refused to evaluate anyone else because Jack Johnson existed. Same goes with MC.

Or maybe Kenny is getting "Melichar'd"

 

[JTG]

I'd give Matt Canada the benefit of the doubt if he didn't suck literally everywhere he's been.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

Burrow is out of the game. Almost looks like he has what Ben had. He can’t grip or throw the football.

 

[Andy99]

Burrow is out of the game. Almost looks like he has what Ben had. He can’t grip or throw the football.

And the Bengals backup looks better than Pickett lol

 

[ChaosAgent]

Or maybe Kenny is getting "Melichar'd"

Maybe Kenny is a 2nd-3rd round talent not unlike Rudolph with additional moxie/grittiness.

 

[Andy99]

wrong thread

 

[Empoleon8771]

Maybe Kenny is a 2nd-3rd round talent not unlike Rudolph with additional moxie/grittiness.

Honestly even as someone who defends Pickett, I don't think you should get much of an argument about Pickett being a 2nd round talent. 3rd rounder without his senior year and 2nd rounder after his senior year.

He was a 1st rounder in 2022 because the QB class that year stunk and the Steelers reached a bit for him. If the Steelers had an early 2nd in 2022 like they had in 2023, I think they would have taken him with that pick instead.

If you could flip where Porter Jr. was taken and where Pickett was taken, I think you'd get an appropriate draft slot for each. Porter very clearly looks like a 20th overall caliber talent IMO.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Eh Pickett looked/played like a 1st round pick his senior year. I questioned his physical talent at the draft but have zero qualms about it now, he’s got the arm and tools to be good; especially after adding clear strength this offseason.

He just doesn’t play well at this point. No they haven’t cut him loose, I’m giving him one more year in a new system- then IMO you have to move on if it’s this type of year again, regardless of scheme or W-L record.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

So what system do you guys want fir KP? What proven play caller his going to want to attach his potential HC gig to KP

 

[ChaosAgent]

He just doesn’t play well at this point. No they haven’t cut him loose, I’m giving him one more year in a new system- then IMO you have to move on if it’s this type of year again, regardless of scheme or W-L record.

This is likely what happens, although I wouldn't reach in the draft if they don't have a QB prospect they like.
Pickett could be a pretty good placeholder QB, but I'd bring in some competition - a Tyrod Taylor or a Minshew. I'd bring in Minshew this offseason honestly.

I hope they're scouting Jayden Daniels though. If they see a potential star I'd splurge to get him this year.
In hindsight, and I think I wanted this at the time, they should have taken Lamar Jackson in 2018. Maybe this is their do-over.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

So what system do you guys want fir KP? What proven play caller his going to want to attach his potential HC gig to KP

Maybe have him play in a system that actually tries to develop him and not protect a coach’s meaningless record?

That would be a good start.

Pickett is only doing what he is told to do, and that's not just necessarily coming from Matt Canada. Mike Tomlin sets the directive and the coaches follow. Pickett is only doing what they want him doing -- play not to lose the game.

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[bigdaddyk88]

Maybe have him play in a system that actually tries to develop him and not protect a coach’s meaningless record?

That would be a good start.

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So do you want him throwing it 40 times a game

 

[Pens1566]

So do you want him throwing it 40 times a game

That's a ton of screen passes ...

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Maybe have him play in a system that actually tries to develop him and not protect a coach’s meaningless record?

That would be a good start.

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Nobody compares him to 7. There’s nothing in his athletic or draft profile even remotely comparable to 7. 7 was drafted higher and carried a lesser caliber college football team. You knew he could elevate his team 8 was drafted with the hope that he could surpass Brister and Neil for 3rd best QB in the franchise rught now he is clif stout who was before i was born
He is already throwing it more than 7 ik year 2but has 700 less yards and will not get 17 tds like 7 in 05.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Tomlin could win a playoff team and people would still complain

Well it'd be nice to see wouldn't it?

So what system do you guys want fir KP? What proven play caller his going to want to attach his potential HC gig to KP

You mean to Tomlin? Every coach for him (outside Arians who was already established) has done nothing. Sure shows you how Tomlin "develops" coaches as well as he does QB's

And I'll take Ken Dorsey

 

[ziggyjoe212]

It's not about trusting a two time SB champion.

It's about trusting a young QB so he can either grow into your guy, or Tomlin finds out he needs another guy.

This shit right now is hamster wheel running or ya know, Tomlin Purgatory.

Once again, this team has zero chance in the playoffs if KP doesn't break out.

So keeping him in bubble wrap trying to eek out wins will just lead to season 7 of Tomlin's playoff winless streak.

If Tomlin unshackles KP and he f***s up and becomes a turnover machine and they start losing - who the f*** cares?

At least you start getting a much clearer picture of who he is.

It's all going to end without a playoff win unless KP starts to excel, I don't think anyone will disagree with that point.

I disagree with you. KP is shackled because he's not good. Everyone knows who he is. The offense would be no different with Mason or Trubisky under center. They have to rely on the run game because the passing game isn't good enough.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

So do you want him throwing it 40 times a game

I've explained this ad nauseam.

Tomlin clearly has shackles on KP, and Tomlin's MO going back to when Rudolph was starting, is to turn his QBs into Charlie Checkdown, keep passes outside the numbers, and keep things nice and safe.

This helps him eek out wins, and protect his streak.

Once again tell me what the plan is if they make the playoffs and they still have a shackled QB that's scared to turn the ball over.

Do you want them to spend another few years trying to find out if KP is their guy because Tomlin wants to keep playing it safe? I sure as f*** don't, and they need to have that answer by next Dec/Jan... and placing KP in a bubble is just putting this org on a hamster wheel.

Either he can handle the offense running through him or he can't.

Tomlin is too scared to find out because it might jeopardize his meaningless win streak if KP isn't his man.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I disagree with you. KP is shackled because he's not good. Everyone knows who he is. The offense would be no different with Mason or Trubisky under center. They have to rely on the run game because the passing game isn't good enough.

If Tomlin thought MT or Rudolph gave them a better chance of winning, they would be in.

KP does what Tomlin wants the best, plays safe and protects the ball.

That isn't development, that isn't finding out answers, that's playing safe so Tomlin can win 9 games.

There is no plan being put in place here that will be successful in the playoffs.

I continue to ask how you and others expect them to win in the playoffs playing offense like this and I get the run around, because anyone with a brain knows this is a losing formula come playoff time.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If Tomlin thought MT or Rudolph gave them a better chance of winning, they would be in.

KP does what Tomlin wants the best, plays safe and protects the ball.

That isn't development, that isn't finding out answers, that's playing safe so Tomlin can win 9 games.

There is no plan being put in place here that will be successful in the playoffs.

I continue to ask how you and others expect them to win in the playoffs playing offense like this and I get the run around, because anyone with a brain knows this is a losing formula come playoff time.

No they wouldn’t they are all the same player the only difference between Mason and KP is where they went to college. If you don’t turn the ball over and run the ball you can keep the other team on the sideline. Sure we aren’t winning a shootout but theres no explosive offense every team is extremely flawed in the afc
How can anyone say he is scared of turning it over when the only thing that kept him from 5 turnovers and 2 leading to defensive touchdowns was the other team not capitalizing on his mistakes or a terrible blown call in Greenbay.

 

[JTG]

So what system do you guys want fir KP? What proven play caller his going to want to attach his potential HC gig to KP

Bieniemy left Patrick Mahomes for Sam Howell. I don't think it'd be that tough to find an OC for a team that is young and has talent.

I disagree with you. KP is shackled because he's not good. Everyone knows who he is. The offense would be no different with Mason or Trubisky under center. They have to rely on the run game because the passing game isn't good enough.

The 4th quarter has determined this is not true.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

No they wouldn’t they are all the same player the only difference between Mason and KP is where they went to college. If you don’t turn the ball over and run the ball you can keep the other team on the sideline. Sure we aren’t winning a shootout but theres no explosive offense every team is extremely flawed in the afc
How can anyone say he is scared of turning it over when the only thing that kept him from 5 turnovers and 2 leading to defensive touchdowns was the other team not capitalizing on his mistakes or a terrible blown call in Greenbay.

Why does Tomlin get the benefit of the doubt here again?

He hasn't won a single playoff game in six years, so why would anyone assume his decisions are sound?

He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and can outsmart the rest of the league by building a team that can win in the playoffs without the offense running through his QB.

Feel free to tell me the last team to go anywhere in the playoffs with an offense built that way.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Bieniemy left Patrick Mahomes for Sam Howell. I don't think it'd be that tough to find an OC for a team that is young and has talent.


The 4th quarter has determined this is not true.

He left because he wanted to he a HC and knew the narrative was he didn’t call plays he didn’t do anything it was all maholmes and Reid. If he played decent in the first 3 QTs he would need the 4th.

Why does Tomlin get the benefit of the doubt here again?

He hasn't won a single playoff game in six years, so why would anyone assume his decisions are sound?

He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and can outsmart the rest of the league by building a team that can win in the playoffs without the offense running through his QB.

Feel free to tell me the last team to go anywhere in the playoffs with an offense built that way.

The 49ers made it to the nfc championship game the rams did it with Goff again his last 3 playoff wins he got 3 combined tds from the Qb position

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

No they wouldn’t they are all the same player the only difference between Mason and KP is where they went to college.

And there's the Pitt Derangement Syndrome.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

He left because he wanted to he a HC and knew the narrative was he didn’t call plays he didn’t do anything it was all maholmes and Reid. If he played decent in the first 3 QTs he would need the 4th.


The 49ers made it to the nfc championship game the rams did it with Goff again his last 3 playoff wins he got 3 combined tds from the Qb position

No dude, Goff and Purdy were given much more responsibility than KP has, get real.

Again, tell me why we are suppose to trust the decisions of a coach who hasn't won a playoff game in 6 years.

He already made a colossal blunder bringing back Canada.

Tomlin hasn't had any playoff success since the Pens '16 cup win.

Think about how pathetic that really is and if any other coach would even still be around to continue this franchise playoff losing streak in any other org.

Not only that, but his teams have been blown the f*** out the last four times.

Yet, we are suppose to assume him handcuffing KP is the right idea?

That he has an actual plan to legit win in the playoffs and his turtling offense is a good idea because.... all of his lack of playoff success?

Sounds logical.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

QB A 63 completion percentage 92 tds 26 interceptions 9.4 ypa 9.9 air yards and 16.000 yards in 4 years
QB B 62.4 81 td 23 interceptions 12,000 yards 7.2 ypa and 7.4 air yards in 5 yeard.
Kp used the covid year to go from a round 3 pick to a round 1 in a crappy QB class