OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

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If that happened consistently for KP we would see his stats improve. There’s still no escaping Canada’s dogshit passing scheme.
Guys were open in those dog shit passing schemes. Just look at the forced checkdown to Warren late. Pickett had two guys for a potential TD and he never looked at them and instead forced it to Warren. That is not on the scheme. It is on the QB, who played like shit in the last game. It is ok to admit that and still think Pickett could improve and be the guy moving forward. Heck, you can admit it and still think Canada sucks (I wanted him gone in the off season). But Pickett played like shit regardless of the excuses offered for him. An average QB performance on Sunday and we win a laugher.
 
Guys were open in those dog shit passing schemes. Just look at the forced checkdown to Warren late. Pickett had two guys for a potential TD and he never looked at them and instead forced it to Warren. That is not on the scheme. It is on the QB, who played like shit in the last game. It is ok to admit that and still think Pickett could improve and be the guy moving forward. Heck, you can admit it and still think Canada sucks (I wanted him gone in the off season). But Pickett played like shit regardless of the excuses offered for him. An average QB performance on Sunday and we win a laugher.

Once again I have to reiterate that it is apparent people here have no idea how to evaluate a QB.

The real world isn’t f***ing Madden where you have 5 routes and can see the whole field and you just button mash. In the real world the QB is only made via the scheme to look to certain guys and then hit a check down if nothing is there. Especially a young QB. They only have on average less than 3 seconds to get rid of a ball. They are not going to be able to scan the whole field. Elite veteran QBs can’t even do that but those QBs excel at pre-snap reads, an ability that takes every QB years of experience to develop.

A good qb elevates those around him his nfl comp was Bridewater Tanahill Dalton and if everything goes well Carr. He was over drafted in a crappy QB draft were only 2 guys are still starting
He is putting up numbers similar to mac jones Zack wilson Tanahill Young Ridder
Mason in his first 5 starts had 4 multi passing tds games we are onto start 23 with 1 for kp
Blup blup blup
 
I think Pickett owns it when Pickett is playing scared. He is a professional athlete. He owns what he puts on the field.

Sure, he can own it, but there's a thing called development.

Some coaches do it well, other's don't.

What evidence do we have Tomlin can develop a young QB?

So far his idea of good development is to bring back an OC who had two years of abysmal offense, and things would change because... why?
 
The most pro ready QB can’t read zone defenses doesn’t process pre or post snap doesn’t go through progressions consistently pre determining whose getting the ball put he looks good handing it off
 
Sure, he can own it, but there's a thing called development.

Some coaches do it well, other's don't.

What evidence do we have Tomlin can develop a young QB?

So far his idea of good development is to bring back an OC who had two years of abysmal offense, and things would change because... why?
What young QB did he need to develop every single guy he drafted is 500 or better and only 1 was a 3rd round pick or lower before KP. He drafted a plug n play QB in round 1
 
What young QB did he need to develop every single guy he drafted is 500 or better and only 1 was a 3rd round pick or lower before KP. He drafted a plug n play QB in round 1

And?

He hasn't developed a young QB, so there is zero evidence he can do so.

He decided that bringing back an OC that put together b2b seasons of one of the worst Steelers offenses in franchise history was a... good?... thing for a young QB.

LJ was way worse at reading a D, and Harbaugh worked around it and now he's light years better at it.

But you know, that's called development.
 
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Read this and watch the videos:Chalk Talk: Don't throw in the towel yet, but concern for Pickett is valid

Then get back to me about how Pickett bears no blame for when Pickett plays like shit.

Pickett is not just "not reading the whole field." He is staring down one guy and checking it down routinely.

Also, I don’t care what some sports journalists have to say about it, to be quite frank. Their opinions aren’t any more or less valuable than the average Joe 99% of the time.

I don’t believe anyone has said Pickett shoulders zero blame. Obviously you can cherry pick plays where he made sub-optimal decisions and poor throws. You can do that with Patrick Mahomes, too.
 
And?

He hasn't developed a young QB, so there is zero evidence he can do so.

He decided that bringing back an OC that put together b2b seasons of one of the worst Steelers offenses in franchise history was a... good?... thing for a young QB.

LJ was way worse at reading a D, and Harbaugh worked around it and now he's light years better at it.

But you know, that's called development.
LJ is still the same player he was when he was drafted he will never match his 26/9 2020 let alone his mvp season in 2019
He wanted lamar and and hurts was convinced that the Steelers were taking him in round 2. He has a type he wants to develop which is why i am sure Fields will be brought in. This draft has 5 guys better than KP

So why did Tomlin sign off on Pickett then?
Because he wanted off the ben train and Art needed to sell tickets so he signed off on a QB in a crappy QB class who was a local hero
 
Oh so it's not Tomlin's fault {again} for you?
The owner wanted KP the gm wanted to leave us with a QB since he and Tomlin forced ben to retire they took the consensus top rated QB this was an organization decision
No one to blame just like the year before they took the consensus top rated running back it just happened to be a crappy QB class
 
LJ is still the same player he was when he was drafted he will never match his 26/9 2020 let alone his mvp season in 2019
He wanted lamar and and hurts was convinced that the Steelers were taking him in round 2. He has a type he wants to develop which is why i am sure Fields will be brought in. This draft has 5 guys better than KP


Because he wanted off the ben train and Art needed to sell tickets so he signed off on a QB in a crappy QB class who was a local hero

You could have just said you don't know much about the QB position and left it at that.

LJ isn't Joe Montana at reading a D, but his progression from his rookie year is night and day.

But that only happened because he has a coach that understood how to develop a young QB.

Many coaches have no clue, and so far Tomlin looks to be in that boat.

If he takes the reigns off KP, and KP crashes and burns, so what?

Then you know 100% he's not the guy and you move on.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Playing it ultra safe is going to lead to that same path anyway, but Tomlin apparently isn't smart enough to figure that out, or again its just about the 9 with him like I highly suspect.
 
Also, I don’t care what some sports journalists have to say about it, to be quite frank. Their opinions aren’t any more or less valuable than the average Joe 99% of the time.

I don’t believe anyone has said Pickett shoulders zero blame. Obviously you can cherry pick plays where he made sub-optimal decisions and poor throws. You can do that with Patrick Mahomes, too.
Good God. This is becoming cult stuff. Or is a Pickett burner account.
 
You could have just said you don't know much about the QB position and left it at that.

LJ isn't Joe Montana at reading a D, but his progression from his rookie year is night and day.

But that only happened because he has a coach that understood how to develop a young QB.

Many coaches have no clue, and so far Tomlin looks to be in that boat.

If he takes the reigns off KP, and KP crashes and burns, so what?

Then you know 100% he's not the guy and you move on.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Playing it ultra safe is going to lead to that same path anyway, but Tomlin apparently isn't smart enough to figure that out, or again its just about the 9 with him like I highly suspect.
Its night and day but yet he is still turning it over missing wide open guys
 
Here's the question that no one has asked: if you just want your QB to be a game manager, why did you need to spend a 1st Rounder on him?

That’s a question I’ve been asking as well.

Let me be crystal clear regarding my opinion of Pickett, I think he clearly has flaws and hasn’t played well recently. I just think people are going way overboard with criticism of him when he’s being put in a position to fail. It’s entirely possible that he truly is only backup caliber, it’s just stupid to conclude that because he’s not good enough to work in this mess of an offense.

Our offense was never conservative under Ben until Ben was shot. This idea that Tomlin solely wants a safe offense is simply not backed up by Ben's career.

Was it “Ben was shot” or “Matt Canada became OC”? Idk, based on the fact that the offense has stunk under 3 different QBs since Canada became OC, it makes a hell of a lot more sense to me to say Canada is ruining the QBs than every QB they’ve had with him was just terrible.
 
Guys. Here's what's going on with the last two games.



Pickett was slinging it for 8+ yards per intended target prior to the rib injury vs the Jags. Then he drops off to 5.something vs the Titans, and 3.5 vs the Packers.

We have data saying a QB with a rib injury plays differently, and we have data of Pickett playing differently.

As such, it seems super obvious to me that he's playing hampered, and that the team are deliberately mixing things up to try and accommodate him i.e. even more short passes than usual.

Hopefully the running game and OL can continue to function when Pickett's ribs heal and he's back to throwing the sort of games he was vs Raiders/Rams/Ravens i.e. not amazing but not this bafflingly limited and super inaccurate version he currently is. There might be an offence worth watching if all of it comes together.
 
Guys. Here's what's going on with the last two games.



Pickett was slinging it for 8+ yards per intended target prior to the rib injury vs the Jags. Then he drops off to 5.something vs the Titans, and 3.5 vs the Packers.

We have data saying a QB with a rib injury plays differently, and we have data of Pickett playing differently.

As such, it seems super obvious to me that he's playing hampered, and that the team are deliberately mixing things up to try and accommodate him i.e. even more short passes than usual.

Hopefully the running game and OL can continue to function when Pickett's ribs heal and he's back to throwing the sort of games he was vs Raiders/Rams/Ravens i.e. not amazing but not this bafflingly limited and super inaccurate version he currently is. There might be an offence worth watching if all of it comes together.

Such excuse-making! Panther fanboy!
 
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Its night and day but yet he is still turning it over missing wide open guys

He has a lower int % than both Mahomes and Allen, and he's on pace to throw it more times than he ever has.

He's also completing 70% of his passes, which is absurd.

So he must be doing something right.

It's ok to admit Harbaugh did a good job developing him, because LJ was ultra raw throwing the ball coming out.

So raw I never gave him a chance to ever do what he's doing now in the passing game. It's actually astounding TBTH.
 
Guys. Here's what's going on with the last two games.



Pickett was slinging it for 8+ yards per intended target prior to the rib injury vs the Jags. Then he drops off to 5.something vs the Titans, and 3.5 vs the Packers.

We have data saying a QB with a rib injury plays differently, and we have data of Pickett playing differently.

As such, it seems super obvious to me that he's playing hampered, and that the team are deliberately mixing things up to try and accommodate him i.e. even more short passes than usual.

Hopefully the running game and OL can continue to function when Pickett's ribs heal and he's back to throwing the sort of games he was vs Raiders/Rams/Ravens i.e. not amazing but not this bafflingly limited and super inaccurate version he currently is. There might be an offence worth watching if all of it comes together.

if that's the case, what's the timeline are we looking at?
 
Guys. Here's what's going on with the last two games.



Pickett was slinging it for 8+ yards per intended target prior to the rib injury vs the Jags. Then he drops off to 5.something vs the Titans, and 3.5 vs the Packers.

We have data saying a QB with a rib injury plays differently, and we have data of Pickett playing differently.

As such, it seems super obvious to me that he's playing hampered, and that the team are deliberately mixing things up to try and accommodate him i.e. even more short passes than usual.

Hopefully the running game and OL can continue to function when Pickett's ribs heal and he's back to throwing the sort of games he was vs Raiders/Rams/Ravens i.e. not amazing but not this bafflingly limited and super inaccurate version he currently is. There might be an offence worth watching if all of it comes together.

They let him throw it 30 times on a short week after the Jacksonville injury the most attempts since the ravens game so i don’t believe this

Only thing you can do is shake your head at people who want a QB’s year 7 in year 2
I just want 2019 Mason from KP right now
 
Also just on the whole Pickett overall thing -

I think the way they have prepared him for games probably stinks. That's a bit conjecture but beyond the gameplan, and beyond the mental effects of rarely being able to pump his own confidence with easy chunks/stress of constantly having to be on in an offence that seemingly actively wants to play all 3 down, I think they're just not giving him enough information/stressing unhelpful things/and so on.

We know the offence is designed to be conservative. It seems highly unlikely to me that Pickett is avoiding the middle of the field because of his choice and the OC has nothing to say about it.

We know players who've been in the Steelers org have criticised the lack of preparation. We know we keep hearing of half-season adjustments that should be very obvious, like "have everyone involved in the run game go over the plays in detail before the game" and "have OL stances not automatically give away whether it's run or pass".

Yeah, I do have worries that Pickett doesn't think the game fast enough. But nobody is going to think the game fast enough if they don't have enough information about the game.

And there's a lot of things suggesting - or outright saying - the Steelers don't prep their offensive guys enough.

Yet here's what I see as a person who doesn't live in Pittsburgh, doesn't consume local media and doesn't have a tie to or an opinion on the University of Pittsburgh's football program...

I've never seen a fanbase with such a bias against a player simply because there is an assumed bias towards a player. This goes alongside the hassles players get for being related to another player, current or former, or having a connection to the organization in some way.

I don't consider myself a KP fanboy. But I remain a guy who still thinks (hopes, maybe?) Pickett can be decent.

Also this. Frankly I think the American attachment to school sports is really weird. And I don't doubt that some people have extra bias towards him because of the Pitt connection. But I probably see more people grumbling about that bias online than I see overt bias in his favour.

1) It's clear the team misses Minkah on the field. The secondary is suspect even with him in, but it's weak without him. Thank goodness he's at least around.
2) Isn't anyone with the team tired of having so much experience defending late-game game-saving situations?

2) I feel like probably not? Part A of that is you know the NFL loves close games, so why not be good at them.

Part B is that if I'm a defensive player, if I dedicate my life to being great at this and put my ego on it... I probably actually love the chance to be the guy who closes games and makes the last play. I probably think it's more fun than watching them kneel out a 2 score game.

if that's the case, what's the timeline are we looking at?

Doctor Google says 3-4 weeks is the minimum timeline for healing bruised ribs, with 6 at the top range.
 
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