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OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

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Peat said:
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Maybe I'm wrong anyway. Or maybe this is par for the course with Steelers conservatism. Or maybe they think they made a mistake picking him. Who knows. ll hope and maybe.

The one other thing I would point out about this game - pre the Titans game, I saw someone pointing out that QBs coming off of rib injuries made 40% less throw attempts, something like that. I doubt his ribs are fully recovered. It's possible that they're trying to limit Pickett even more than usual. But I said usual, because this conservatism isn't new.
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They should be using Pickett like San Francisco is using Purdy. Their offense should be build based on the run game, but the passing game catches the opponent off guard and leads to big gains. The 49ers are 32nd in pass attempts on the year but are 8th in yards gained, it's because they actually have good playcalling that can result in mismatches due to confusion from the defense.

The Steelers absolutely don't do that, all of their play calls are just 10 yard passes or check downs. Today is a great example of that, I'm totally fine with Pickett only throwing 25 times a game but only like 3 of those pass attempts were significant down the field attempts.

It's beating a dead horse at this point because every game is the same way. If the run game sucks, they ask Pickett to bail out the team and carry the offense, which he's objectively not good enough to do. If the run game works, then they go back to only allowing Pickett to throw 5 yard passes because they don't want him to turn the ball over. There is no reasonable middle ground here, which is why the Steelers offense sucks and the 49ers offense is elite despite having basically 2 equal QBs.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
They should be using Pickett like San Francisco is using Purdy. Their offense should be build based on the run game, but the passing game catches the opponent off guard and leads to big gains. The 49ers are 32nd in pass attempts on the year but are 8th in yards gained, it's because they actually have good playcalling that can result in mismatches due to confusion from the defense.

The Steelers absolutely don't do that, all of their play calls are just 10 yard passes or check downs. Today is a great example of that, I'm totally fine with Pickett only throwing 25 times a game but only like 3 of those pass attempts were significant down the field attempts.

It's beating a dead horse at this point because every game is the same way. If the run game sucks, they ask Pickett to bail out the team and carry the offense, which he's objectively not good enough to do. If the run game works, then they go back to only allowing Pickett to throw 5 yard passes because they don't want him to turn the ball over. There is no reasonable middle ground here, which is why the Steelers offense sucks and the 49ers offense is elite despite having basically 2 equal QBs.
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kP isn’t going to take the in breaking routes or the seem routes that’s built into the 49ers offense. He ignores the middle of the field as it is. He doesn’t read defenses or get off his 1st read
 
bigdaddyk88 said:
kP isn’t going to take the in breaking routes or the seem routes that’s built into the 49ers offense. He ignores the middle of the field as it is. He doesn’t read defenses or get off his 1st read
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It's almost like that is because of the playcalling and that Canada doesn't call plays that have the primary targets in the middle of the field.
 
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bigdaddyk88 said:
kP isn’t going to take the in breaking routes or the seem routes that’s built into the 49ers offense. He ignores the middle of the field as it is. He doesn’t read defenses or get off his 1st read
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Empoleon8771 said:
It's almost like that is because of the playcalling and that Canada doesn't call plays that have the primary targets in the middle of the field.
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Yeah. If they want Pickett to target the middle of the field, he will. He is the monkey and they are the organ grinder. Either that's because they just don't want them to target the centre, maybe because they think it will increase the risk of turnovers, or it's because they think he really struggles when doing so and therefore refuse to call it. At which point we're back to his development and whether the team is doing that right.
 
What the f*** is it with the Achilles around the NFL this year? Huge blow here, their ILB was finally grooving and now they're going to be rotating a patchwork of backups in there.
 
Yeah that Alexander injury blows. They went from having an ILB group that was performing really well to one that’s going to get abused.
 
Empoleon8771 said:
It's almost like that is because of the playcalling and that Canada doesn't call plays that have the primary targets in the middle of the field.
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No he ignores it again today there was wide open wr in the middle of the field he never looked at them. They literally had to draw the pick play up and force him to throw it to GP over the middle Alex On steelers podcast has been saying he throws more side line throws than ben did with AB

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bigdaddyk88 said:
No he ignores it again today there was wide open wr in the middle of the field he never looked at them. They literally had to draw the pick play up and force him to throw it to GP over the middle Alex On steelers podcast has been saying he throws more side line throws than ben did with AB

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And again, for the second time, maybe it's that the primary targets aren't in the middle of the field for their plays. Maybe he's not looking there because that's the 4th option on a play.

I don't know how you can watch this team and seriously conclude that it's not coaching that is causing the ultra conservatism with the offense.
 
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Empoleon8771 said:
And again, for the second time, maybe it's that the primary targets aren't in the middle of the field for their plays. Maybe he's not looking there because that's the 4th option on a play.

I don't know how you can watch this team and seriously conclude that it's not coaching that is causing the ultra conservatism with the offense.
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Because you can see that KP literally just comes to the line and pre determines which side he he is throwing to pre snap. Muth under the same oc had over 60 plus catches the last 2 seasons and is an afterthought early this season without DJ. On the near pick 6 to warren DJ was wide open GP was open 3 different times over the middle of the field today
 
I don't know if the coaching staff is steering Pickett towards low percentage outside throws and low-reward short throws.
I don't know if that's all he's comfortable with.

Tomlin did say something about Love, to the effect of "we know he can be exposed against veteran defenses." Seems like patting himself on the back for winning the turnover battle and saying that's the key to victory.

As for the rest of the team, the pass rush was rotten. Did Heyward and Highsmith play? Without Fitzpatrick the secondary is lost in zone.
The Packers obliterating the defense in the 1st half should dispel any notions of "oh it's cause they're tired." Yeah it's tiring to come on the field after a 3-and-out, except whoops I forgot about the 5 minutes of commercials in between. So exhausting to see the field for 36 out of 190 minutes of real time.
 
bigdaddyk88 said:
Because you can see that KP literally just comes to the line and pre determines which side he he is throwing to pre snap. Muth under the same oc had over 60 plus catches the last 2 seasons and is an afterthought early this season without DJ. On the near pick 6 to warren DJ was wide open GP was open 3 different times over the middle of the field today
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I forgot we even had tight ends
 
ChaosAgent said:
Tomlin did say something about Love, to the effect of "we know he can be exposed against veteran defenses." Seems like patting himself on the back for winning the turnover battle and saying that's the key to victory.
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Tbf, given this team's record in the last X games, I'm not sure he's wrong that the turnover battle is crucial. They're winning a ton of games through it.

The question is whether they can ever develop enough talent to win the turnover battle against good teams, and also be good enough to take advantage of it against said good teams.
 
Snooki Stackhouse said:
What the f*** is it with the Achilles around the NFL this year? Huge blow here, their ILB was finally grooving and now they're going to be rotating a patchwork of backups in there.
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Wonder if Achilles is to grass what torn knees was to turf/synthetic?
 
I think this is exactly how they try to drum it up offensively. That is how this is going to go when it's clicking. It ain't much. Defensively without Minkah we are not good whatsoever. They have to find another safety. I don't care for Neal or Kazee, though Neal did have an int today. I wouldn't even be opposed to bringing Edmunds back.

We are f***ed at ILB.
 
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So does neal move lb like he dud in the past walker started for Atlanta a few years ago is on the practice squad
 
JTG said:
Wonder if Achilles is to grass what torn knees was to turf/synthetic?
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It's usually dudes in their 40's still playing rec hoops that start to blow out their achilles because it loses elasticity with age. Aaron Rodgers probably fits into that category. Younger guys in the 20's and early 30's, I'm not sure. Perhaps the explosive nature of the game, either from the movements by the person with the achilles or the violent nature of the contact with that area.
 
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