OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

[Buddy Bizarre]

Even if that’s true, what is the reason for that? The coaching staff is clearly so risk averse that it dictates everything they do, but if you have a QB you trust you don’t play with training wheels and a governor and an emergency brake on at the same time. I don’t agree with the play calling and game plans most of the time and while I definitely don’t think Tomlin is infallible he’s not a total idiot and the staff clearly doesn’t trust Pickett AT ALL.

Ben was immobile but he still had the arm to put it most anywhere he wanted. Even he suffered from the U Shaped offense that is Tomlanda.

I mean even when Ben was injured Duck and Mason weren't throwing to the middle of the field either. Mitch played a handful of games last year and his passing chart was the same.

You cannot tell me with a straight face that in 5+ years with 4 different QB's ranging from Rookie to HOF to journeymen to cup of coffee guys having all the same passing charts is a coincidence

This is risk aversion, plain and simple. This is how Tomlin dictates his philosophy and approach to offensive football. Tomlin believes throwing it to the middle of the field results in turnovers.
How many times does the mule have to kick you (not you personally) in the head to see it?

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I said before the season this team was a year away and needed to find out what Pickett was. I don’t think they have so far.

That was my goal coming to this year: find out what KP can do. Wins and losses be damned, they need to find if KP is a franchise guy or the potential to be one

I don't watch much CFB but from the highlights at his time at Pitt we're seeing the same exact KP.

Here is a concept that most people understand: to get growth, you have to have pain
The reason your muscles are sore after working out is that they are becoming ready for growth if you keep lifting. Pick any person in the top of their field and they'll tell you they've learned more from their failures than success.

From Michael Jordan:
I’ve missed more than 9,000 shots in my career. I’ve lost almost 300 games. Twenty-six times I’ve been trusted to take the game-winning shot and missed. I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.

 

[JTG]

If you were to tell me that we'd be a half game out of first place at this point in the season after game 1, I'd laugh right in your face. Yet...here we are.

 

[Peat]

For the secondary, I think player talent is the biggest issue. I’ve seen it mentioned a lot but outside of Porter and Minkah, they lack athletes back there. If the pass rush doesn’t get home quickly, guys like Wallace and Pat Pete can’t physically keep up with these WRs that are all 4.4 type of guys.

I kind of feel the opposite on the offensive side of the ball. They could certainly use some help on the line but I don’t think the offense is a group that lacks talent. They just need someone way better than Matt Canada to tell them what to do. Although I can’t say I’m not a little concerned about Pickett at this point.

I agree that the secondary is very short of talent. I'm not sure that's the whole reason it's been so bad, but it's definitely part of it.

The offence... the OL has been better these last couple of games with Jones in, but prior to that, it looked real limited and limiting. And again, just focusing on this season, no Muth and DJ for only half the games is a real kick in the teeth in terms of talent.

But beyond that... yeah, I am very vocal that the group needs to be better led, and you can see clear talent, but there's also a few inconsistencies with how the WRs and RBs play. I think a better OC removes some of these... but all?

And now we've got Pickett's intended air yards plummeting post rib injury. I dunno how long it should take his ribs to heal, but they need him fit for the offence to really hit what it's doing on all cylinders. Frustrating it's happened when it looks like he might have finally have all the tools in terms of OL and WR.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

He won 1 playoff game in hiz career throwing 3 tds or more.

Crunching the Numbers: Big stats and playoff wins don’t always go hand-in-hand

Ben Roethlisberger has much lower numbers in post season games where the Steelers are victorious.

www.behindthesteelcurtain.com

36 tds and 28 interceptions in 23 playoff games

Posting an article with a bunch of stats without any real context behind them isn’t some counter to what I wrote.

Cowher stopped “living in his fears” and finally let Roth loose for the first time in his career during the ‘05 playoff run to ring 5.

Roth’s arm is why they bounced Cincy, Colts and Denver.

Roth went into Manning’s home and out gunned him.

That Colts team was dominant and had the best record of any Manning lead team at 14-2.

He was’t a game manger, and good luck finding a team over the last 20 years with much playoff success taking the game manger route.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

If you were to tell me that we'd be a half game out of first place at this point in the season after game 1, I'd laugh right in your face. Yet...here we are.

If you were to tell me that a team that a team that has been outgained every game has a 6-3 record I also would have laughed in your face.

Remember that 11-0 start to the season which many said was a house of cards and was unsustainable? Yet the media and others continued to slobber Tomlin's knob?
Remember how those people ended up being right?

This process is unsustainable; full stop

I like winning but I'd like to see us win a damn playoff game this f***ing decade. The process in order to achieve that goal does not and never will look like this

 

[JTG]

If you were to tell me that a team that a team that has been outgained every game has a 6-3 record I also would have laughed in your face.

Remember that 11-0 start to the season which many said was a house of cards and was unsustainable? Yet the media and others continued to slobber Tomlin's knob?
Remember how those people ended up being right?

This process is unsustainable; full stop

I like winning but I'd like to see us win a damn playoff game this f***ing decade. The process in order to achieve that goal does not and never will look like this

The winning will stop at 9 wins

This season, there will be teams picking in the 20's where in a normal season in the 2000's or 2010's they would be picking 6th. All of this football is bad.

 

[JTG]

What Eric Bieniemy is doing with Sam Howell is crazy. That guy should be our coach.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

What Eric Bieniemy is doing with Sam Howell is crazy. That guy should be our coach.

And yet here locally in Washington they aren’t sure Howell is the long term guy he did throw for 4 tds against the Eagles but they have No secondary he takes more sacks than any other QB

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Posting an article with a bunch of stats without any real context behind them isn’t some counter to what I wrote.

Cowher stopped “living in his fears” and finally let Roth lose for the first time in his career during the ‘05 playoff run to ring 5.

Roth’s arm is why they bounced Cincy, Colts and Denver.

Roth went into Manning’s home and out gunned him.

That Colts team was dominant and had the best record of any Manning lead team at 14-2.

He was’t a game manger, and good luck finding a team over the last 20 years with much playoff success taking the game manger route.

None of those wins did ben crack 300 yards in 2 of them he didn’t get over 210. How does someone out gun another when they don’t crack 200 yards passing in that stretch he didn’t even attempt 30 passes in a single game

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

And yet here locally in Washington they aren’t sure Howell is the long term guy he did throw for 4 tds against the Eagles but they have No secondary he takes more sacks than any other QB

Again, I'd love to see any post of yours where you've been critical of Tomlin.
I think I'm going to be waiting awhile...

 

[DanielPlainview]

This crap is just never going to end under Tomlin. We're going to trip and stumble into wins against bad teams, get pummeled by the good ones, and at the end of the year be 2 games over and in the final playoff spot, and all the yinzers and morons will praise him for a job well-done.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

None of those wins did ben crack 300 yards in 2 of them he didn’t get over 210. How does someone out gun another when they don’t crack 200 yards passing in that stretch he didn’t even attempt 30 passes in a single game

I can't find the halftime stats of the 2005 Colts and Denver game but here are some blurbs about it. Note the 76 yards through the air on the FIRST DRIVE by Ben vs Indy.

Also note that Ben was 25 yards from your magic 300 number vs Denver.

The Steelers stunned the Colts home crowd at the RCA Dome by driving 84 yards and scoring on their opening possession. Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger completed six consecutive passes for 76 yards, including a 36-yard completion to tight end Heath Miller and a 6-yard touchdown pass to Antwaan Randle El. Later in the first quarter, Roethlisberger's 45-yard completion to Hines Ward moved the ball to the Colts 8-yard line, and they scored another touchdown with his 7-yard pass to Miller, increasing the Steelers' lead to 14–0.

Five minutes into the second quarter, Indianapolis managed to get a good drive going, advancing the ball 96 yards to the Steelers 2-yard line and taking 9:39 off the clock, but were forced to settle for a field goal from Mike Vanderjagt, cutting their deficit to 14–3.


After a slow start to the game, the Steelers led 3-0 after the first quarter, but it was the second quarter which saw Pittsburgh post 21 points to take a 24-3 lead into halftime. The Steelers wouldn't score another point until the 4th quarter, but by that time the game was already out of reach. The final score read 34-17, but this game was about the stout Pittsburgh defense, and the maturation of a young Ben Roethlisberger.

The Steelers didn't run the ball particularly well in this contest. Jerome Bettis had 15 carries for 39 yards, and Willie Parker chipped in 14 carries for 35 yards. Nonetheless, the Steelers scored two rushing touchdowns on the day, a Bettis plunge into the endzone and a Roethlisberger scramble to pay dirt. Despite the lack of a running game, Roethlisberger was incredibly efficient through the air. He was 21-29 with 275 yards passing with 2 touchdowns and no interceptions.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

He knows that Pickett is not good enough, and thus they are taking it out of his hands as much as possible.

 

[DanielPlainview]

They have no way of knowing if Pickett is good enough

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

He knows that Pickett is not good enough, and thus they are taking it out of his hands as much as possible.

And that's how you never win a playoff game in about a decade
That approach will win you games vs weaker opponents (like yesterday) and it's a 50/50 flip vs teams that are equal to you.

But you will get absolutely demolished vs the elite teams if you don't have a QB who can throw it

 

[bigdaddyk88]

And that's how you never win a playoff game in about a decade
That approach will win you games vs weaker opponents (like yesterday) and it's a 50/50 flip vs teams that are equal to you.

But you will get absolutely demolished vs the elite teams if you don't have a QB who can throw it

In his 3 play wins he got a combined 3 tds from his QB he is preparing to run the ball not turn it over and play defense

They have no way of knowing if Pickett is good enough

Yes they do

 

[PensandCaps]

It's shocking that the Browns are still good despite this.
It's a franchise-ruining move but they've really coached up their OL and defense.


Josh Allen would crush us. Mahomes would pick us apart. And I don't care about 3/25 years for the Dolphins. They are a better team than us.

Playoff Lamar hasn't played Playoff Steelers. By that I mean the team that gave up a million yards to Baker Mayfield and Blake Bortles.
We would be underdogs to any of these teams handily.

Josh Allen is also the most turnover prone QB in the league, I could easily see a defensive win in bad weather in Buffalo.

Played Miami very well last season defensively, if Kenny can just be a game manager and the D shows up, aside from the Chiefs, I think they can pull out a W.

I think every AFC team is pretty flawed right now, no real elite team this season. Seems like anytime Miami plays a good team, they look like Frauds. Like even we have a more impressive win than they do.

 

[Peat]

Recently, the offensive linemen, running backs and tight ends began meeting together every Thursday to discuss the game plan on the ground. Offensive line coach Pat Meyer gets up on the whiteboard and details how each run should go and where the cuts are.

“It’s new the last couple of weeks, and I think it’s helpful,” center Mason Cole said.

Steelers' dormant run game has come alive at midseason (again), propelling win vs. Packers

Last year, the Steelers' running game powered a late-season revival. Now, it appears they've found that magic again, this time at 6-3.

theathletic.com

Maybe there's things I don't understand about pro sports, but I don't understand how it took half a season for this to happen

 

[TimmyD]

If you were to tell me that we'd be a half game out of first place at this point in the season after game 1, I'd laugh right in your face. Yet...here we are.

That’s what a soft schedule will do for most teams. It will make them look better then what they really are

 

[xlm34]

That’s what a soft schedule will do for most teams. It will make them look better then what they really are

They haven’t really played a soft schedule though. The couple of strength of schedule ratings I’ve seen have them at one of the harder schedulers so far this year.

Outside of the divisional games, their back half of the year is going to be easier than the first half.

 

[DanielPlainview]

In his 3 play wins he got a combined 3 tds from his QB he is preparing to run the ball not turn it over and play defense


Yes they do

No they do not

 

[bigdaddyk88]

They haven’t really played a soft schedule though. The couple of strength of schedule ratings I’ve seen have them at one of the harder schedulers so far this year.

Outside of the divisional games, their back half of the year is going to be easier than the first half.

Yeah they have New England whose tanking Arizona whose defense is worse than Green Bay Colts all In December
That texans loss isn’t looking so bad
Plus the 4 divisional games

No they do not

The only reason why he had this long of a leash is cause he is the local hero

 

[DanielPlainview]

Recently, the offensive linemen, running backs and tight ends began meeting together every Thursday to discuss the game plan on the ground. Offensive line coach Pat Meyer gets up on the whiteboard and details how each run should go and where the cuts are.

“It’s new the last couple of weeks, and I think it’s helpful,” center Mason Cole said.

Steelers' dormant run game has come alive at midseason (again), propelling win vs. Packers

Last year, the Steelers' running game powered a late-season revival. Now, it appears they've found that magic again, this time at 6-3.

theathletic.com

Maybe there's things I don't understand about pro sports, but I don't understand how it took half a season for this to happen

Sweet Jesus it took the PLAYERS initiative to have the god damn scheme explained to them??

Yeah they have New England whose tanking Arizona whose defense is worse than Green Bay Colts all In December
That texans loss isn’t looking so bad
Plus the 4 divisional games


The only reason why he had this long of a leash is cause he is the local hero

Nonsense. He’s a second year QB who, despite playing behind shit pass protection, having, for the most part, little support from the run, and an offensive coordinator who was never successful at the college level, has put up similar stats to Ben in his first few years.

Give him real coaching and good protection, then we can actually evaluate.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

And that's how you never win a playoff game in about a decade
That approach will win you games vs weaker opponents (like yesterday) and it's a 50/50 flip vs teams that are equal to you.

But you will get absolutely demolished vs the elite teams if you don't have a QB who can throw it

Totally agree. But they can't do anything about it in the middle of the season. This offseason will be very interesting.