OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

[OnMyOwn]

KP was getting pressured off of both ends, so as long as Jones plays, I don’t care what side for now.

I think he’s the long term LT going forward, either way.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Our running game was the best it has looked with Jones at RT. Chuks is a terrible run blocker but is a great guy to have as a swing tackle. I like Jones playing there, assuming the coaches are correct and Moore can't play RT.

The issue is they need to learn if Jones can play LT.

Good LT’s are incredibly difficult to find, and they cost a premium in the draft.

If Jones stays at RT all season, do they move up again and find another LT in this deeper class, or do they draft a RT and hope Jones fulfills his potential there without much NFL tape.

 

[TooManyHumans]

I am not worried about him playing LT. I think he is a natural. I think playing him at RT is the best move for the team right now. Chuks has been more disappointing than Moore, imo.

 

[JTG]

KP was getting pressured off of both ends, so as long as Jones plays, I don’t care what side for now.

I think he’s the long term LT going forward, either way.

Jones being comfortable (and dominant) on both sides shows how good he really is. It also will allow us to take best available tackle. If Jones plays RT, the league is very seriously in for it. They have to get this line sorted out. I don't care how many picks it takes.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

The issue is they need to learn if Jones can play LT.

Good LT’s are incredibly difficult to find, and they cost a premium in the draft.

If Jones stays at RT all season, do they move up again and find another LT in this deeper class, or do they draft a RT and hope Jones fulfills his potential there without much NFL tape.

Yea I think Jones can play either side, so he should eventually go to LT. Plus RT's are easier to find...

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Yea I think Jones can play either side, so he should eventually go to LT. Plus RT's are easier to find...

Ya that's kind of my overall point - RT are way easier to find and they just used a lot of juice to get what looks like a good LT.

It would be nice to know if he shows promise at LT for sure going into the next draft.

Then they can chase after a RT in round 1 and be done with the bargain basement Ts they seem to love.

 

[JTG]

I think RTs are easier to find, but I am intrigued by Jones at RT. He is so unbelievably athletic, that he may change what it looks like for a RT in the league. If you're a runner...follow 77.

 

[OnMyOwn]

I think RTs are easier to find, but I am intrigued by Jones at RT. He is so unbelievably athletic, that he may change what it looks like for a RT in the league. If you're a runner...follow 77.

A lot of teams’ top edge rushers go against RT’s as well. So having a good one doesn’t hurt.

 

[JTG]

A lot of teams’ top edge rushers go against RT’s as well. So having a good one doesn’t hurt.

Really pay close attention to him next game and tell me if you see what I see. To me, him being on the right side gave this swagger to the line and RBs. I have said over and over how we don't have an identity. Maybe our identity is a freakishly large and athletic first round converted LT to RT? Because that last game felt different to me.

 

[Pengwins]

The issue is they need to learn if Jones can play LT.

Good LT’s are incredibly difficult to find, and they cost a premium in the draft.

If Jones stays at RT all season, do they move up again and find another LT in this deeper class, or do they draft a RT and hope Jones fulfills his potential there without much NFL tape.

Jones is a LT. We found our guy

 

[Peat]

I'll just remind people that Darnell Wright went 10th in the last draft and that was preceded with people muttering that teams were valuing RTs more. Being sure that Jones is a LT and deciding we can get guys who've never played LT only helps so much.

I'll happily go get another LT and work it out from there. The mocks have some good guys late into the 1st.

Really pay close attention to him next game and tell me if you see what I see. To me, him being on the right side gave this swagger to the line and RBs. I have said over and over how we don't have an identity. Maybe our identity is a freakishly large and athletic first round converted LT to RT? Because that last game felt different to me.

Tbf there was a lot of other changes other than Jones. More RPO, more spread offence, less 2 tight end sets and and runs from center. I think they were trying to make that whole power game their identity but it utterly failed; I think spreading the offence out to Harris/Warren can see light boxes and going from there will help a lot.

But at the same time, yeah, his athleticism was really noticeable

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Yes. I have been on the RPo thing since Haley tried to get Ben AB and Bell on the same page. I know they took it out of the play book because the linemen down field penalties but with GP Muth and DJ that backside slant or seem route is money. I am for screen and quick passes to set up the running game to Austin more plays with Najaee in the slot and warren in the backfield more passes to both. Let’s attack the 8-15 yard down field mark

 

[MrBrightside]

We are seriously moving a legit #1 draft choice who can be a very good LT to a less valuable position so we can keep…checks notes….Dan Moore in the starting lineup. And people think this is fine.

Ok then.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

We are seriously moving a legit #1 draft choice who can be a very good LT to a less valuable position so we can keep…checks notes….Dan Moore in the starting lineup. And people think this is fine.

Ok then.

I assume people are just happy he’s getting reps in, but it feels like some are missing the big picture here.

Why is a potential stud LT that you moved up to get, now your swing man instead of a below avg LT?

Tomlin just keeps desensitizing fans to his stupidity I guess.

 

[JTG]

We have two horrible tackles. I don't find either one of them to be above the bar at all. I think right now, the most important thing to do is get a running game going, and Jones being in for Chuks gives us more bang for the buck currently.

It allows us to pick the best available lineman. Say a David Decastro or Maurkice Pouncey thing happens to one of these tackles where they take a tumble, I'd have no problem taking a Joe Alt from Notre Dame or Fashanu from PSU, putting them at LT and moving Jones to right.

If we take Latham or Fuaga, those are our guys for the right side, I think and are much more likely plays for us in the 1st round.

Bryce Foster could be our play in the 2nd round. If we don't take Foster, maybe Zach Frazier from WVU could be there in the 3rd. Frazier may shoot up boards if he has a good combine.

 

[xlm34]

We have two horrible tackles. I don't find either one of them to be above the bar at all. I think right now, the most important thing to do is get a running game going, and Jones being in for Chuks gives us more bang for the buck currently.

It allows us to pick the best available lineman. Say a David Decastro or Maurkice Pouncey thing happens to one of these tackles where they take a tumble, I'd have no problem taking a Joe Alt from Notre Dame or Fashanu from PSU, putting them at LT and moving Jones to right.

If we take Latham or Fuaga, those are our guys for the right side, I think and are much more likely plays for us in the 1st round.

Bryce Foster could be our play in the 2nd round. If we don't take Foster, maybe Zach Frazier from WVU could be there in the 3rd. Frazier may shoot up boards if he has a good combine.

This is pretty much where I’m at. Jones being at RT isn’t ideal, but him at RT and Moore at LT is probably their best option for the current season.

I find it hard to be too pissy about anything that improves the line right now.

 

[Peat]

I also am okay with a train of logic that says getting Okorafor out of the line up is more important than getting Moore out, and if Moore is as bad on the right as Tomlin says that gives you one option.

I'd also be okay if it was Jones replacing Moore and Okorafor stuck too. No particularly strong feelings, just a lean to the former.

And in terms of putting 14OA at RT and possibly jeopardising his future at LT... I'm fine with having a 14OA at RT. Spend what it takes to have a dominant line. Again, Wright went at 10. The gamble is in finding another LT if it comes to it, but this coming class looks loaded.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Dallas has added the reinstated Martavis Bryant to its practice squad.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Honestly I don't see why the Steelers can't draft another tackle in the 1st round this year. Their OL still needs work and it's not like Moore or Okorafor are long term solutions.

I think building up the OL based on having a dynamic LT and RT would work really well.

 

[Pens1566]

I think you're probably in a BPA scenario for next years 1st. Too many question marks, lots of potential age/contract casualties (as of right now).

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I think you're probably in a BPA scenario for next years 1st. Too many question marks, lots of potential age/contract casualties (as of right now).

Exactly. I mean I probably wouldn't turn my nose up at nearly any position except QB, TE, LB (position is too undervalued) and RB in R1

OT
G
C
CB
Safety
WR
DL

All those would be in play for me.

 

[Pens1566]

Exactly. I mean I probably wouldn't turn my nose up at nearly any position except QB, TE, LB (position is too undervalued) and RB in R1

OT
G
C
CB
Safety
WR
DL

All those would be in play for me.

Right, but I'd probably only keep the TE one from your list of caveats though. Any of those other positions, if someone monstrous slipped, I'd jump on the right one.

 

[Peat]

I think you're probably in a BPA scenario for next years 1st. Too many question marks, lots of potential age/contract casualties (as of right now).

Wouldn't go that far.

They don't need to do anything at RB, OG, OLB, or ILB (if Holcomb is recovering well). TE and WR, depends how you feel about fitness and Johnson's value for what he is.

That's leaves S, CB, C, OT, and DL.

S, imo, isn't a premium position and shouldn't be targeted early unless we're talking a game changing generational guy. Ditto C.

DL is a bit up in the air with Ogunjobi rarely being fully fit and Benton progressing but how fast and Heyward being a bit any moment now... but there is talent there.

Which leaves two premium positions with screaming great big holes. I would be pretty surprised if it wasn't one of those two right now (unless it has to be QB)

 

[MrBrightside]

The issue isn't whether the Steelers ALSO had a weakness at RT. The issue is that you're devaluing the best OL on the roster because apparently someone thinks Moore is better than Okorafor. You don't do anything negative with a player like Jones based on those two guys and that's exactly what they did. It'd be like making Skenes a closer because your bullpen sucks.

 

[JTG]

I also am okay with a train of logic that says getting Okorafor out of the line up is more important than getting Moore out, and if Moore is as bad on the right as Tomlin says that gives you one option.

I'd also be okay if it was Jones replacing Moore and Okorafor stuck too. No particularly strong feelings, just a lean to the former.

And in terms of putting 14OA at RT and possibly jeopardising his future at LT... I'm fine with having a 14OA at RT. Spend what it takes to have a dominant line. Again, Wright went at 10. The gamble is in finding another LT if it comes to it, but this coming class looks loaded.

I don't think it jeopardizes anything. The guy is so talented that he can basically play anywhere and I'm of the mindset right now, having Broderick Jones starting absolutely anywhere on the line is a +++ to the line as a whole. Put him at f***ing G for all I care. He has to play.

The ideal play from an assets point of view is for us to trade Chuks, bring in a FA T and draft a T. Moore makes so little money that trading him makes no sense, and I can't see teams beating his door down with a crazy offer in free agency.

And you're right, this tackle class is probably the best one in years. There looks to be 7 or 8 in the top 65 players.

Honestly I don't see why the Steelers can't draft another tackle in the 1st round this year. Their OL still needs work and it's not like Moore or Okorafor are long term solutions.

I think building up the OL based on having a dynamic LT and RT would work really well.

I think it's the best way to go. If we have two good tackles, Daniels and Seumalo are fine. I would even be fine with moving Daniels to C. He was drafted in the top of the 2nd round as a C. Draft a G if that is better bang for the buck. The C class is really weak, I think. Foster and Frazier have warts. Foster is a MASSIVE human though and he was on Bruce Feldman's Freaks List.