OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: They Killed Kenny!

[Peat]

I do think he wants to keep the streak alive but I also believe he isn’t telling KP to play like shit for 3 quarters to keep it alive.

KP coming out and playing like gangbusters and throwing TDs would make the streak much easier to happen.

QBs are only going to play gangbusters if encouraged to take risks and get to learn how to manage them.

Tomlin isn't telling Pickett to play like crap, but he is clearly telling him to take as few risks as possible, and telling Canada to design and call a fairly risk free scheme, and Pickett often looking like crap is an obvious logical outcome to that.

 

[DanielPlainview]

The idea that Pickett is some insanely talented guy is just bizarre to me. If anything, he's the exact opposite of this - modest, at best, tools whose best attributes appear to be intangible and not "raw talent." There's not a scout around who evaluated Pickett's arm or other physical attributes as being top level.

That isn’t what was said. Pickett has a good arm, good size, and good mobility. For the most part he makes good decisions with the football; he’s doesn’t throw many picks. The biggest issue he has is happy feet which I think is 80% just him not trusting the OL

 

[OnMyOwn]

I never played dek hockey, was too busy with ice and roller, but I did have friends who played and Madden coached them in his tournaments.

Most had good things to say about him, but all of them gave me the impression his radio skit is an act and he’s pretty meek in person.

I played a lot of dek back in college and had a buddy who played for him on the wizards. I also had teams in the tournaments he’d host. Madden is fine outside of the character he plays on the radio.

 

[JTG]

That isn’t what was said. Pickett has a good arm, good size, and good mobility. For the most part he makes good decisions with the football; he’s doesn’t throw many picks. The biggest issue he has is happy feet which I think is 80% just him not trusting the OL

You nailed it. When the happy feet go away, he's a totally different QB.

I also believe there is something to him in the 4th quarter playing to win v. playing not to lose. Once they let the reigns off of him and let him to take more chances because they have to, Kenny seems to loosen up.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

I played a lot of dek back in college and had a buddy who played for him on the wizards. I also had teams in the tournaments he’d host. Madden is fine outside of the character he plays on the radio.

This is why I don’t get riled up and angry about anything he says on his show nor call him names and shit based around his antics.

I’ve always understood he plays a character on his show to get ratings and his shtick is to say shit to piss off the Yinzers.

He also has only a basic understanding of football, so his opinion on the Steelers isn’t something I have much respect for.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

QBs are only going to play gangbusters if encouraged to take risks and get to learn how to manage them.

Tomlin isn't telling Pickett to play like crap, but he is clearly telling him to take as few risks as possible, and telling Canada to design and call a fairly risk free scheme, and Pickett often looking like crap is an obvious logical outcome to that.

What I meant by gangbusters is hitting the open throws that are there and driving the team down the field. There is nothing risky about hitting the open receiver.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think the thing with Pickett is that he doesn't have enough talent in any area to be a notable QB, but he's also pretty well rounded and shouldn't have any major issues. He is and has always projected to be a systems QB that would thrive in a good offensive system with talent. He's not good enough to carry a dysfunctional offense.

I think he and Purdy are similar, but Pickett just has better mobility.

 

[ChaosAgent]

That isn’t what was said. Pickett has a good arm, good size, and good mobility. For the most part he makes good decisions with the football; he’s doesn’t throw many picks. The biggest issue he has is happy feet which I think is 80% just him not trusting the OL

He had happy feet dating back to his time at Pitt. This is not new.

 

[Peat]

He had happy feet dating back to his time at Pitt. This is not new.

He also had a deeply untrustworthy OL at Pitt, no?

 

[ChaosAgent]

He also had a deeply untrustworthy OL at Pitt, no?

He was playing against the likes of Boston College, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, and Syracuse.

Not saying Pitt was overwhelmingly better, but if we're holding out for the Steelers to build a superior OL we're going to need 2 more years at least. That's a lot of conditions to have just to see if Pickett is any better than servicable.

I don't think the Steelers OL has been bad of late either.

 

[Peat]

He was playing against the likes of Boston College, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, and Syracuse.

Not saying Pitt was overwhelmingly better, but if we're holding out for the Steelers to build a superior OL we're going to need 2 more years at least. That's a lot of conditions to have just to see if Pickett is any better than servicable.

I don't think the Steelers OL has been bad of late either.

How do you define as of late? Because in the Jags game, Pickett was pressured on 33.3% of his snaps before he got hit out of the game. That's pretty bad. 28% vs the Chargers. That's 2 of the last 3 games. Yeah, they did great against the Titans, but that's one game. I don't think that they've managed 2 good games in a row.

Whether that's good, bad, it's certainly not the sort of reliability that is going to get a guy to change his habits which is hardly an overnight thing. Neither is being the 6th most knocked down QB in the league. Doesn't reflect great on the OL that opposition barely need to blitz to make it happen (only 45 times, almost definitely the lowest of any starting QB).

Which is my point. The source of the problem, not the practicality of solving it.

Although if we're talking solving problems, I'm with leaving Pickett in there for 2 years and building a superior platform for the next guy rather than rushing onto the next guy and chucking him in on a wobbly platform. I'm not a big believer in Pickett given where he is, but I'm a big believer that this team made his life far too hard and the next guy should be given a far better opportunity.

 

[ChaosAgent]

How do you define as of late? Because in the Jags game, Pickett was pressured on 33.3% of his snaps before he got hit out of the game. That's pretty bad. 28% vs the Chargers. That's 2 of the last 3 games. Yeah, they did great against the Titans, but that's one game. I don't think that they've managed 2 good games in a row.

Whether that's good, bad, it's certainly not the sort of reliability that is going to get a guy to change his habits which is hardly an overnight thing. Neither is being the 6th most knocked down QB in the league. Doesn't reflect great on the OL that opposition barely need to blitz to make it happen (only 45 times, almost definitely the lowest of any starting QB).

Which is my point. The source of the problem, not the practicality of solving it.

Although if we're talking solving problems, I'm with leaving Pickett in there for 2 years and building a superior platform for the next guy rather than rushing onto the next guy and chucking him in on a wobbly platform. I'm not a big believer in Pickett given where he is, but I'm a big believer that this team made his life far too hard and the next guy should be given a far better opportunity.

Where do you get the % pressures stat and how it stacks up league-wide?

I do lean towards giving Kenny another year and getting 2 new OL in the draft. Clearly we have issues at center and one of the tackle spots.

 

[Peat]

Where do you get the % pressures stat and how it stacks up league-wide?

I do lean towards giving Kenny another year and getting 2 new OL in the draft. Clearly we have issues at center and one of the tackle spots.

Pro Football Reference. I dunno how it stacks up vs the league, but just looking at the other side in those match ups it looks bad. He's 11th most pressured overall so it makes sense that his bad days are bad days.

Right now I think giving Pickett a third year is pretty easy as things stand. As I said, not super confident or anything but between the good things he's done *and* the team still being a work in progress that'll probably draft after 16, it makes sense. Maybe you're more interested in the idea of a mid-round QB than you were but that's about it.

Where it'd get interesting is if the team repeats this year next year as well.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Some of the pressures are on him. The guy is getting 2.5 seconds in the pocket that is an eternity in the nfl. Thats longer than Goff Herbert Geno Howell his 3.3 air yards suck

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

When you have a coach who makes decisions based around protecting his win streak, a coach who only sees things one year at a time because his main priority is to protect that win streak, this is the end result.

There is no long term plan to build a championship caliber team.

Tomlin dumbs down his offense to minimize risk and help him eek out wins.

He very well knows this formula will never win a SB or even a playoff game.

It’s all about getting to that 9 each year for Tomlin.

Just a coach looking out for himself and his meaningless streak.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

When you have a coach who makes decisions based around protecting his win streak, a coach who only sees things one year at a time because his main priority is to protect that win streak, this is the end result.

There is no long term plan to build a championship caliber team.

Tomlin dumbs down his offense to minimize risk and help him eek out wins.

He very well knows this formula will never win a SB or even a playoff game.

It’s all about getting to that 9 each year for Tomlin.

Just a coach looking out for himself and his meaningless streak.

Nor is it a way to develop or evaluate a quarterback.

And is a way to really annoy your skill offensive players whose career money making depends on stats.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Nor is it a way to develop or evaluate a quarterback.

And is a way to really annoy your skill offensive players whose careee money making depends on stats.

It’s hard to develop a guy when you are so full of fear about your lame streak that you tell him you don’t trust his ass to get ten yards at the end of a game.

Like I have said over and over, this is a Tomlin issue and it’s not going anywhere by fans wishing Canada and KP away.

This year to year shit with Tomlin has to be addressed if this org is ever going to be prominent again.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The coaches number 1 job is to win games. His offensive players don’t execute a high school level offense so off course it dumbed down. His Qb is missing lay ups and has thrown the 3rd most un catchable passes this season which is pissing off his skill position guys. His Qb cannot feed more than 1 Wr at a time and will get worse when Muth is back, He doesn’t process well he doesn’t understand nfl open he doesn’t have the arm strength to be late ok passess.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

The coaches number 1 job is to win games. His offensive players don’t execute a high school level offense so off course it dumbed down. His Qb is missing lay ups and has thrown the 3rd most un catchable passes this season which is pissing off his skill position guys. His Qb cannot feed more than 1 Wr at a time and will get worse when Muth is back, He doesn’t process well he doesn’t understand nfl open he doesn’t have the arm strength to be late ok passess.

The coach’s job is to have a plan for contention, and there is none here.

Chasing the 9 every season is just Tomlin Purgatory.

The offense was dumbed down with MT and Roth, pay attention.

They should have come out in an aggressive no huddle attacking Jax through the air, with their shitty secondary and tough run D.

If KP can’t run that offense and be effective, then you start to find that out.

You put it in his lap to get you ten yards agt Tenn and close out the game.

This is how you find out if he can handle this stuff or not.

Tomlin would rather live in his fears though because he has no long term plan, just wants the big 9.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

The coach’s job is to have a plan for contention, and there is none here.

Chasing the 9 every season is just Tomlin Purgatory.

The offense was dumbed down with MT and Roth, pay attention.

They should have come out in an aggressive no huddle attacking Jax through the air, with their shitty secondary and tough run D.

If KP can’t run that offense and be effective, then you start to find that out.

You put it in his lap to get you ten yards agt Tenn and close out the game.

This is how you find out if he can handle this stuff or not.

Tomlin would rather live in his fears though because he has no long term plan, just wants the big 9.

What if they’ve already found out he isn’t the guy. Only 2 of the Qbs in his class are still starting outside of him. They have given him a longer lease than Mason because his a local 1st round pick.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

The coaches number 1 job is to win games. His offensive players don’t execute a high school level offense so off course it dumbed down. His Qb is missing lay ups and has thrown the 3rd most un catchable passes this season which is pissing off his skill position guys. His Qb cannot feed more than 1 Wr at a time and will get worse when Muth is back, He doesn’t process well he doesn’t understand nfl open he doesn’t have the arm strength to be late ok passess.

Which types of games should the coaches be winning: Regular Season or Playoffs?

 

[SomeDude]

What if they’ve already found out he isn’t the guy. Only 2 of the Qbs in his class are still starting outside of him. They have given him a longer lease than Mason because his a local 1st round pick.

No other NFL teams had him rated as a 1st rounder just like Najee. Steelers thought they were the smartest team in the room and have been proven wrong back to back.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

No other NFL teams had him rated as a 1st rounder just like Najee. Steelers thought they were the smartest team in the room and have been proven wrong back to back.

Not true the Saints considered him he was the consensus 1 QB in his class. His comp was bridgewater 1st carr early 2nd. Najee was also the consensus top rb and went around the same spot brandon jacobs went his nfl comp.

Not sure that means anything since theres s report the bills considered mason if they didn’t draft Allen in his draft year

Which types of games should the coaches be winning: Regular Season or Playoffs?

Well since his last 3 playoff wins were won on defense and he got a combined 3 tds from his qb maybe that’s what he is trying to do with KP

Saints High On Kenny Pickett, Matt Corral?

It remains to be seen if the Saints will end up selecting a quarterback during the first round of tomorrow's …

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Steelers QB Kenny Pickett hasn't given the Saints much cause for draft-day regret

It’s early, but Kenny Pickett hasn’t given the Saints much cause for draft-day regret. The Steelers rookie is going into this matchup as the NFL’s most turnover-prone QB:

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[CheckingLineCenter]

They have the rest of the season to take the handcuffs off of the offense and find out what they have with KP. Tomlin really seems to coach just to back into the playoffs with 9 or 10 wins and call it a success.

If this season continues like it is- the bolded will be the biggest failure, not another playoff loss or miss. You have to find out if he’s the guy. The way this offense is set up - even if the Canada shitshow miraculously worked we wouldn’t know anything about KP. It’s so stupid.

Im not sold on him but I’m also not writing it off- He looks good when they have to open things up out of desperation but bad at the routine stuff.

Let the kid rip it and don’t be afraid to fail. You have to have a certain level of QB to win in this league and we cannot risk spending a 1st rounder to not even find out what he is.

They’re playing KP like he’s Cassel and they had prime Brady go out with injury, not like a guy you invested a high pick in. Makes no sense. If you couldn’t tell- I’m so frustrated by this it’s crazy haha.

 

[ChaosAgent]

No other NFL teams had him rated as a 1st rounder just like Najee. Steelers thought they were the smartest team in the room and have been proven wrong back to back.

I hope Najee thanked Derrick Henry profusely for getting him overdrafted and overpaid.