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They have independent nero doctors who are responsible for concussions.

Everyone keeps saying this, and it makes zero sense. The teams should still hold some responsibility when in comes to head injuries. The guy was squinting, sniffing smelling salts minutes in to the game, and ended up putting on a tinted visor because of light sensitivity. Someone on the team should have caught this and there are no ifs ands or buts about it. I don't give a shit about the independent doctors and spotters. Just because those people exist doesn't mean common sense is thrown out the window.
 

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Everyone keeps saying this, and it makes zero sense. The teams should still hold some responsibility when in comes to head injuries. The guy was squinting, sniffing smelling salts minutes in to the game, and ended up putting on a tinted visor because of light sensitivity. Someone on the team should have caught this and there are no ifs ands or buts about it. I don't give a shit about the independent doctors and spotters. Just because those people exist doesn't mean common sense is thrown out the window.
This is extremely fair statement the only thing that I would say is the players have gotten so good at cheating the team’s concussion tests. That the teams rely on the doctors but someone should have taken his helmet
 

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Belichick is a poster child for how much having a top quarterback means to a head coach.

We all said that when Brady left we would settle the question, and Brady winning a Superbowl after and Belichick's Pats crashing and burning settled the question decisively.

And Belichick actually is a talented coach. A cheater, but still talented.

Tomlin is the equivalent of that low ceiling low floor draft pick. He will be so conservative that his teams will never crash and burn. But unless they have ten times the talent of everyone else they will never win anything either.

Is that talent? I suppose in a way it shows that he knows how not to lose. But that is not the goal in sports. The goal is to win, and his approach makes winning a Superbowl about as likely as the Pirates winning the world series. Possible but as unlikely as me winning the lottery.

Tomlin is a handicap as big as being in an uncapped league with a cheap owner.

To me the most important position in the NFL is a LT and then a QB on offense. I'll catch hate, but in a 3-4 defense having a NT and a couple of rush outside backers are what I think is most important. If you can stop the run, force a team to pass, and have the ability to get to the QB...you're going to be successful. If you have those two things, you're probably going to be at least decent. HC is so far down the list of importance. Coordinators should be more important to the actual game than the coach.
 

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To me the most important position in the NFL is a LT and then a QB on offense. I'll catch hate, but in a 3-4 defense having a NT and a couple of rush outside backers are what I think is most important. If you can stop the run, force a team to pass, and have the ability to get to the QB...you're going to be successful. If you have those two things, you're probably going to be at least decent. HC is so far down the list of importance. Coordinators should be more important to the actual game than the coach.
What is a Coordinator? I don't remember the last time the Steelers had one.
 

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HC is so far down the list of importance. Coordinators should be more important to the actual game than the coach.

Sorry but thats not reality.

If the HC had a actual plan he hires his Coordinators based on how he wants things run.

Rooney Tunes has it all backwards.
 

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Bill is going to cost a 1st and want to be the gm
Bill isn’t going to cost anything because from what the reports are saying the Patriots are going to let him go… meaning they will respectfully have a mutual parting of ways.

He’s never had a losing season…. 2 1sts?
Never had a losing season you say? I’ve never heard that little piece of info before… but I have one question… if you trade him to us for two 1sts, who will you replace him with!?!?!?!?
 
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Sorry but thats not reality.

If the HC had a actual plan he hires his Coordinators based on how he wants things run.

Rooney Tunes has it all backwards.
Not really to coaches hire and empower the assistant coaches to actually run the side of the ball they are hired for. Harbaugh doesn’t do offense or defense for the ravens. Mcdermit doesn’t handle the offense in Buffalo Staley doesn’t touch the offense for the chargers
In college Franklin is a ceo and has a HC for offense and Defense now well did but Diaz went to duke

Bill isn’t going to cost anything because from what the reports are saying the Patriots are going to let him go… meaning they will respectfully have a mutual parting of ways.


Never had a losing season you say? I’ve never heard that little piece of info before… but I have one question… if you trade him to us for two 1sts, who will you replace him with!?!?!?!?
That’s terrible management if he doesn’t get traded he is there most valuable trade piece
 

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Not really to coaches hire and empower the assistant coaches to actually run the side of the ball they are hired for. Harbaugh doesn’t do offense or defense for the ravens. Mcdermit doesn’t handle the offense in Buffalo Staley doesn’t touch the offense for the chargers
In college Franklin is a ceo and has a HC for offense and Defense now well did but Diaz went to duke

The whole Rooney/Tomlin dynamic has you thinking upside-down.
 

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That’s terrible management if he doesn’t get traded he is there most valuable trade piece

a) To a certain extent, there's nothing the Pats can do. If Belicheck is willing to stay at home for 2024, that's it, Maybe they win that game of chicken and get him to accept a trade, and maybe they don't

b) I think there's value to sports organisations in terms of letting their legends go out on their own terms if they're not too onerous. A pick, a year too long... we fume about them now, but five or ten years later they don't matter. The history, the culture, the glamour of the org - or not - goes on.

If Kraft doesn't want to argue too hard and would rather part as amicably as possible, I can see why.
 
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a) To a certain extent, there's nothing the Pats can do. If Belicheck is willing to stay at home for 2024, that's it, Maybe they win that game of chicken and get him to accept a trade, and maybe they don't

b) I think there's value to sports organisations in terms of letting their legends go out on their own terms if they're not too onerous. A pick, a year too long... we fume about them now, but five or ten years later they don't matter. The history, the culture, the glamour of the org - or not - goes on.

If Kraft doesn't want to argue too hard and would rather part as amicably as possible, I can see why.
It’s no different than Sean, Payton and Nora for the Saints. He took a year off the TV. His agent talk to teams, then told the Saints who was interested. They worked out a trade and he got a new contract. The patriots already have the coach they want to take over under contract, you don’t have to pay Belichick while he’s sitting home his contract toils

The whole Rooney/Tomlin dynamic has you thinking upside-down.
I mean the Dolphins coach doesn’t touch the defense Sean Payton doesn’t touch the defense. The Jets coach doesn’t touch the offense
 

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It’s no different than Sean, Payton and Nora for the Saints. He took a year off the TV. His agent talk to teams, then told the Saints who was interested. They worked out a trade and he got a new contract. The patriots already have the coach they want to take over under contract, you don’t have to pay Belichick while he’s sitting home his contract toils


I mean the Dolphins coach doesn’t touch the defense Sean Payton doesn’t touch the defense. The Jets coach doesn’t touch the offense

Well yeah Obviously, because what ever side of the ball they ran (as coordinators), they are going to hire a coordinator that runs their scheme. And As a HC it's their responsibility to have a plan what type of scheme they want to run on the other side of the ball. Being in control of something, you get to input your vision, your philosophy, everything

The reason Rooney has to hand pick coordinators over the years is because Tomlin has 0 plan and 0 plan since day 1. Still doesn't have a idea or plan just beat your man and defend blades of grass.

People seem to think Rooney putting good coordinators around the Clown will hide these problem but those "elite" types won't put up with Clowns BS for very long. I think (speculate) Clown has a negative reputation around the leagues inner circle since the Arians incident. Arians wife absolutely HATES Clown and that is well documented.
 
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Well yeah Obviously, because what ever side of the ball they ran (as coordinators), they are going to hire a coordinator that runs their scheme. And As a HC it's their responsibility to have a plan what type of scheme they want to run on the other side of the ball. Being in control of something, you get to input your vision, your philosophy, everything

The reason Rooney has to hand pick coordinators over the years is because Tomlin has 0 plan and 0 plan since day 1. Still doesn't have a idea or plan just beat your man and defend blades of grass.

People seem to think Rooney putting good coordinators around the Clown will hide these problem but those "elite" types won't put up with Clowns BS for very long. I think Clown has a negative reputation around the leagues inner circle since the Arians incident. Arians wife absolutely HATES Clown and that is well documented.
So what where the hand picked coordinators again? BA doesn’t hate Tomlin I know wife got mad when Tomlin has to fire BA but its a business the owner said he was to loyal to ben and would get him killed
 

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Free agency looks like garbage for 2024. Khan will have money, but there isn't really any help to be had.

Positives are they have a LT. Downside is, by time this offense is clicking, TJ and Minkah are both probably in their 30's.

So what where the hand picked coordinators again? BA doesn’t hate Tomlin I know wife got mad when Tomlin has to fire BA but its a business the owner said he was to loyal to ben and would get him killed

BA took over and tried running an offense with personnel who were not set up to run that type of offense. It was ground and pound, and Ben loved holding on to the ball. They needed a more athletic line back then and Ben needed to get the ball out.

Ben loved BA, but Ben was the main culprit for BA getting fired because Ben was going to get killed holding on to the ball too long.

The Steelers are showing why it's good to hire good staff and have a pipeline. Having continuity is good. This offensive coaching staff has been a bunch of wayward coordinators really since Whiz left. There is absolutely no continuity from one coach to another so the players are almost always starting over when a new coordinator comes into town.
 

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Man all these former Steelers are not liking what's going on

https://www.steelernation.com/2023/12/1 ... te-running
In particular, the Steelers' receiving corps has come under scrutiny, with George Pickens and Diontae Johnson taking the brunt of the criticism. However, a new voice has entered the conversation, offering a candid assessment of the team's tight ends and receivers. Former Steelers scout and running back, Merril Hoge, did not sugar coat it when discussing their performance, particularly in route running and blocking.
"It might be the worst group of route runners in the NFL, okay? Half the time, they quit on routes. The pick that Trubisky threw, Pat Freiermuth makes a move and just quits."
"It's the only term I can think of, but our tight ends look like two turtles humping when they're blocking. Because you're not blocking anybody."
 

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